Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So I’ll just tell you one instance I heard about from my mother at the weekend: our small village as mentioned earlier, someone put up a hand written sign in the shop window offering to go for a walk at whatever time on Sunday.

Simple, to the point, practical. I don’t know who posted the sign or who turned up. But the notion that pubs are the only place people are allowed to meet and talk, is just untrue.

But I’m sure you’ve tried things like that already.... right?

Ok, so to start we have "Put a sign in a shop window asking for people to come meet and go for a walk".

It's mixing with other households but it is outside so lets run with it, I'm sure nothing could go wrong with putting a sign in a shop window and asking random people to show up, I bet women in particular would love it.

Thats one, any other suggestions?

But the notion that pubs are the only place people are allowed to meet and talk, is just untrue.

This is such disingenuous rubbish. I know loads of ways and places to meet people but here is the thing, we aren't allowed to do any of them. Because social distancing.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Ok, so to start we have "Put a sign in a shop window asking for people to come meet and go for a walk".

It's mixing with other households but it is outside so lets run with it, I'm sure nothing could go wrong with putting a sign in a shop window and asking random people to show up, I bet women in particular would love it.

Thats one, any other suggestions?

This is such disingenuous rubbish. I know loads of ways and places to meet people but here is the thing, we aren't allowed to do any of them. Because social distancing.

Are you one of the people with no family or friends to phone or go for a walk with and can only chat with strangers or acquaintances in the pub?

You’re not allowed to meet people in the pub either so are we ruling that out too?

I’m not offering you any solutions at all. I simply told you one way that other people are dealing with the situation without demanding that they don’t have to change the way they normally do things.

It’s your own mental health we’re talking about, it’s your job work in good faith to find ways to keep it in good shape. If you’re sure that physical contact is necessary, then it’s your job to find ways to actually achieve it. It’s not my job to tell you ways that other people are achieving it so you can tell me why you don’t want to do those things. I know other people are doing it for themselves.

If your mental heal try is suffering then you have my sympathy. I hope you start to look for ways to get your social contact. Sitting around waiting for the pubs to reopen probably isn’t the healthiest solution.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Are you one of the people with no family or friends to phone or go for a walk with and can only chat with strangers or acquaintances in the pub?

You’re not allowed to meet people in the pub either so are we ruling that out too?

I’m not offering you any solutions at all. I simply told you one way that other people are dealing with the situation without demanding that they don’t have to change the way they normally do things.

It’s your own mental health we’re talking about, it’s your job work in good faith to find ways to keep it in good shape. If you’re sure that physical contact is necessary, then it’s your job to find ways to actually achieve it. It’s not my job to tell you ways that other people are achieving it so you can tell me why you don’t want to do those things. I know other people are doing it for themselves.

If your mental heal try is suffering then you have my sympathy. I hope you start to look for ways to get your social contact. Sitting around waiting for the pubs to reopen probably isn’t the healthiest solution.

In other words, you got nothing.

You swan into threads like these and pontificate about things like "why don't these people just pull up their bootstraps and phone a friend for a walk" when the simple fact is that you don't really understand the issue in the first place and you don't have any meaningful solutions.

By the way, your snide attempts to keep asking about my personal circumstances when this isn't about me are transparent and pathetic.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m not asking you to do anything. Just pointing out that this notion that the only place people are able to chat is in the pub, is guff. But I’m sure you’ve tried lots of innovative ways to meet up with other people and get your chats since lockdown began, right?

This is a small village where everyone knows everyone. There are no strangers.

U keep going on about meeting people for walks and all this, we are doing that but we are sick of it and just want to go to the f*cking pub, it’s that simple.

PTH2009 wrote: »

The sad reality is the VFI and LVA can give out all the want but the Government /NPHET wont overturning the decision and have settled with helping out with grands and all that

The sad reality is that the VFI and LVA are a day late and a dollar short.

Its been 8 months and its only now that they are even starting to hint at legal action or demanding evidence from NPHET, when they should have been screaming bloody murder back in the summer.

Now the damage is done, their industry is in the toilet, certain behaviors have become accepted and they have far too much ground to make up.

fin12 wrote: »

U keep going on about meeting people for walks and all this, we are doing that but we are sick of it and just want to go to the f*cking pub, it’s that simple.

Oh I get that it’s that childish. I get that all the pretence of caring for the poor old fella who sits and the end of the bar, with the flat cap and the white hair and sups a couple of pints and gets his social interactions, is just facade for “ we are sick of it and just want to go to the f*cking pub, it’s that simple”.

I get that it’s that simple.

The vaccine will be along shortly, pubs will open and it will be moot, PG. Then they can stop pretending to care about the poor auld fella with no company.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Like everything this Government gets their hands on here, this will take way longer than other European nations and Dr Tony/NPHET are in no rush to approve it and Donnelly will be influenced by that

You're just rambling now.........

The vintners have to get legal. That EY report is slanderous and vastly misleading.

There is nothing absolutely nothing to say that a bar that opens without serving food holds more danger than a pub that serves food. Absolutely zilch evidence.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The vintners have to get legal. That EY report is slanderous and vastly misleading.

There is nothing absolutely nothing to say that a bar that opens without serving food holds more danger than a pub that serves food. Absolutely zilch evidence.

Press up group already have a case in the works, vintners will be happy to amplify that.

As toothless and spineless a "lobby group" as has ever existed.

I’m surprised more groups haven’t taken court cases. Yer man John Waters and Gemma O Doherty did it early on in the first lockdown.

the kelt wrote: »

I’m actually kinda surprised at how poor that EY report is.

It’s almost like “here’s the answer we need now work you’re way back to get there, doesn’t need to be anything too exact or anything”

The same crowd who audited AIB and Lehmann Brothers. I don't know why anybody would take them seriously anymore.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Has anyone asked for a pub to be opened with no seating requirements? .

yes
if you want me to waste my time and find posts of people asking for pubs to go "back to normal" then I might consider it, but do you really think there are no such people?! I am pretty sure I could find some in this very thread if not others. I have heard it from people in work and could easily find it asked on other websites if that will convince you? Do you really think there are people who would not like to be able to stand and order at a bar like they always did? a friend of mine prefers standing at a bar with us seated, even if seats are available!

weldoninhio wrote: »

You go to a nightclub to meet, mingle and hopefully get a kiss/ride. You don't go to a nightclub to sit sedately and have a few drinks and a chat. I'd have no issue with late bars being opened either, once the restrictions remained in place. Not everyone works 9-5.

I fully agree, 100%, esp. the 9-5 as I was pre-empting some excuse that nightclubs "are different as they open late". So do you want pubs which are extremely similar to nightclubs to be closed? and how do you propose to legal define these? I would ask that of your numerous "thankers" of that post too. I am really curious. I have no problem with "quiet auld lad pubs" being open who are not taking the piss. It's like when I hear people saying junk food should be taxed or restricted, -give me the legal definition which will not have people taking the piss and finding loopholes.

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rubadub wrote: »

christ, how pathetic an attempt of weaseling out. I am looking for legalistic reasons here.

I am looking for answers..., is your suggestion to have gardai going around looking for people finger blasting young ones in the beer garden of late opening nighclub-like pubs with blasting music? and deeming them to be too similar to nightclubs.

The problem I am (quite obviously) talking about, is how do you legally distinguish between "auld lad rural pint pubs" and "city centre early opening nightclub style pubs" which are pretty much indistinguishable at 11.45 as they are at 1:35, if they have the legal ability to turn into a nightclub (if your definition of which is solely based on time)".

What are the restrictions would you want in the pubs? (if any), many seem to want them back similar to what they were, e.g. being able to stand at a bar.

the kelt wrote: »

I’m actually kinda surprised at how poor that EY report is.

It’s almost like “here’s the answer we need now work you’re way back to get there, doesn’t need to be anything too exact or anything”

Apply the same "evidence" to schools and they're far, far worse

Deleted User wrote: »

Mikey Healy Rae holding court on the Tonight Show with Matt Cooper and Lisa Chambers (FF), "Micheál Martin would choke on a pint if he tried to drink it". Spitting fire, "it is totally unfair on respectable people operating traditional pubs in rural Ireland. Wrong! And you Lisa, you're one of the lieutenants supporting them!". Nine times out of ten I disagree with the flatcap, however here he is completely spot on. We need more with his vigour, VFI take note.

There is more to the pubs getting the short end of the stick than covid, this country is a nanny state and the nanny staters wont want to release the squeeze on the pubs, covid is only a smoke screen for the bigger agenda.

They'll use covid as a smoke screen.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Mc Dowell got his wish for cafe culture. This was the plan all along, and Holahoop helped it along. No food, no drink.

A temporary cafe culture, perhaps. However, normal service will resume once the "substantial meal" requirement is consigned to history. Peoples habits and behaviours haven't been altered to the extent that they will forever be compelled to order food when out drinking. The reality is that most people see this as an inconvenience and, once gone, any perceived cafe culture will be gone too. If I want a substantial meal, I'll go to a proper restaurant.