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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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  • #7832
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I've read that Italy have signed contracts for 202 million doses in 2021, which I wonder why, it's over three times the number of people in the country...
    If others have done the same, there's no proportional distribution.

    The EU have more doses bought than population, each country signs into that. Hence Italy having more doses than population. Ireland also has more than population


  • #7833
    Sheep2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭Sheep2020


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    It's clear that some countries will have their entire population vaccinated within weeks, other will take months or years.
    How will a normal behaviour, like travelling, be widely adopted across the continent? There will be countries that are still distributing the vaccine early 2022, when others have finished by this summer.
    Will travel ban be still in place until all countries reach the same level of vaccination?

    On that I'm curious what China's plans are? The source of the virus.

    UK and EU countries are aiming for early/mid 2021/spring for whole population

    Haven't heard much on China's plan, they've had the vaccine for a while now and have about 1 million out of it's 1,400 million population done

    Anyone know the plan for China? When are the gonna have everyone done?

    You'd think they'd show us how it's done.


  • #7834
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    ceegee wrote: »
    They haven't. They are part of the EU procurement


    I'm afraid they (we) have
    https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html


  • #7835
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The EU have more doses bought than population, each country signs into that. Hence Italy having more doses than population. Ireland also has more than population



    What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

    I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me


  • #7836
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    202 million doses is italys share of the european order I believe.

    As to why so many doses. It's really only 101 million doses because vaccines require 2 doses.


    Yes, it requires two doses, that's why we are wondering what the remaining 40 millions are for...
    Because we know our politicians, we can only think the worst, like something will fail and they do know it will, or that there's something that they are not telling us.


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  • #7837
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I'm afraid they (we) have
    https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html

    I'm afraid my Italian is poor.

    My google translate tells me that italy is getting 202 million which is their share of the eu purchase. Not their own government buying separately.


  • #7838
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I'm afraid they (we) have
    https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html
    That just states they believe that many doses will be available, there's no reference to buying directly from the manufacturers.


  • #7839
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I'm afraid they (we) have
    https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html

    They haven't. Thats Italy agreeing into the EU supply on a population basis.

    Ireland is also signing off these deals as they happen. Its the same deal Ireland is in.

    Nothing to do with the country buying their own stock


  • #7840
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Are we any closer to knowing if vaccines interrupt transmission or not.


  • #7841
    Sheep2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭Sheep2020


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

    I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me

    How so?

    No one got badly sick from Covid with Oxford one, someone got severly sick in Pfizer trial


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  • #7842
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

    I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me

    Saw it recently so will try and dig it up. Either way between all the deals agreed so far we've more than enough to cover the population.


  • #7843
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I'm afraid my Italian is poor.


    No problem, I'm here to help :)
    My google translate tells me that italy is getting 202 million which is their share of the eu purchase. Not their own government buying separately.

    Which is higher than what it was initially said, and much higher than our needs, I think.


  • #7844
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    No problem, I'm here to help :)



    Which is higher than what it was initially said, and much higher than our needs, I think.

    Again, the EU have more doses agreed by contract than population. Hence countries allocations are higher than their populations.

    Its the EU deal, you get your proportion out of the total which for everyone will be higher given theres more doses bought than people in Europe.


  • #7845
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    An excellent summary from the BBC. All of this is worth a read https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55145696

    And the main diagram from it



    _115722586_more_vaccines_compared_v6-nc.png


  • #7846
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The EU have more doses bought than population, each country signs into that. Hence Italy having more doses than population. Ireland also has more than population


    Alright!
    I was thinking they were doing tricks, you know, we're Italians after all :D


  • #7847
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    Alright!
    I was thinking they were doing tricks, you know, we're Italians after all :D

    From the EU supply then once countries have sufficient quantities the option is there to redirect further supply to less wealthy nations


  • #7848
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The EU have more doses bought than population, each country signs into that. Hence Italy having more doses than population. Ireland also has more than population

    When could we be realistically expected to have 6 million of the double vaccines ?


  • #7849
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Update on the likely EMA decision

    "By Dec 29 at the latest but maybe before."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1202/1181870-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

    If it's positive the EU Commission will sign off on it within days and we're off!


  • #7850
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Update on the likely EMA decision

    "By Dec 29 at the latest but maybe before."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1202/1181870-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

    If it's positive the EU Commission will sign off on it within days and we're off!


    Great stuff but try get your news from the Irish Times or elsewhere

    By 6pm RTE will twist this into "Pfizer vaccine found to make all your limbs fall off and set you on fire"


  • #7851
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

    I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me

    Based on 1% of EU deals:

    Pfizer - 2m (up to 3m)
    Oxford - 3m (up to 4m)
    Moderna - 0.8m (up to 1.6m)
    Curevac - 2.2m (up to 4m)
    J & J - 2m (up to 4m)
    Sanofi/GSK - 3m

    Not all the deals are finalised and each then has to get cabinet approval for the money involved but that's just a formality.

    The EU agreement is broadly based on population with some provision to be made for country demographics.


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  • #7852
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I see the Welsh are having issues with logistics - they've ruled out the Pfizer vaccine for nursing homes.


  • #7853
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Update on the likely EMA decision

    "By Dec 29 at the latest but maybe before."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1202/1181870-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

    If it's positive the EU Commission will sign off on it within days and we're off!

    Good to see the logistics already in action with storage units being commissioned in the next week.


  • #7854
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    A little bit of more concrete detail here on RTE, including:

    * nine ultra-low temperature containers have been obtained for storage
    (not sure how many doses each container can old) and that " this equipment will be commissioned by the middle of next week."

    MM claims it's their top priority but, even so, gives us a moment of humour when he says:

    "He said he was sure the Department of Health and HSE had a lot of experience and expertise."

    .. Assuming they're allowed exert that expertise and not stifled by red tape.


  • #7855
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I see the Welsh are having issues with logistics - they've ruled out the Pfizer vaccine for nursing homes.

    Surprised by that, stable at fridge temp for 5 days after thawing. Would have thought you could set up mobile teams, thaw a batch over a few days then a 3 day blitz going from home to home until you run out.


  • #7856
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Great stuff but try get your news from the Irish Times or elsewhere

    By 6pm RTE will twist this into "Pfizer vaccine found to make all your limbs fall off and set you on fire"
    It's not an opinion piece, it's a report on Dail proceedings, which you can watch, and feedback from a meeting. The IT version of it reports it almost exactly the same.


  • #7857
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ixoy wrote: »
    A little bit of more concrete detail here on RTE, including:

    * nine ultra-low temperature containers have been obtained for storage
    (not sure how many doses each container can old) and that " this equipment will be commissioned by the middle of next week."

    MM claims it's their top priority but, even so, gives us a moment of humour when he says:

    "He said he was sure the Department of Health and HSE had a lot of experience and expertise."

    .. Assuming they're allowed exert that expertise and not stifled by red tape.

    That last sentence is the problem with the HSE


  • #7858
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's not an opinion piece, it's a report on Dail proceedings, which you can watch, and feedback from a meeting. The IT version of it reports it almost exactly the same.


    We're still giving RTE clicks by linking to them though

    And after what they've done to the mental health of Ireland they shouldn't get any web traffic from us

    Frankly; I hope they're absolutely decimated financially in coming years


  • #7859
    Pasteur.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Pasteur.


    It's gonna be embarrassing if we're behind the EU curve on rollout


  • #7860
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Micheál Martin said that Emer Cooke, head of EMA, briefed EU health ministers this morning, including Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly.
    I know we can be a bit parochial, but between Mike Ryan, Adrian Hill and now Emer Cooke it's great to see so many Irish people involved at the highest levels during this pandemic.


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  • #7861
    Deenie78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭Deenie78


    Apologies if this is a really stupid question - would you be contagious for a time after getting the vaccine?
    It just occurred to me as my Dad is 82 and has high risk health issues so would be one of the earlier recipients but my Mam is 74 and falls a few categories below (using the UK model as an example)?


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