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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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Sheep2020

Irish Stones wrote: »

It's clear that some countries will have their entire population vaccinated within weeks, other will take months or years.
How will a normal behaviour, like travelling, be widely adopted across the continent? There will be countries that are still distributing the vaccine early 2022, when others have finished by this summer.
Will travel ban be still in place until all countries reach the same level of vaccination?

On that I'm curious what China's plans are? The source of the virus.

UK and EU countries are aiming for early/mid 2021/spring for whole population

Haven't heard much on China's plan, they've had the vaccine for a while now and have about 1 million out of it's 1,400 million population done

Anyone know the plan for China? When are the gonna have everyone done?

You'd think they'd show us how it's done.

Irish Stones

ceegee wrote: »

They haven't. They are part of the EU procurement

I'm afraid they (we) have
https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html

ShineOn7

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The EU have more doses bought than population, each country signs into that. Hence Italy having more doses than population. Ireland also has more than population

What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me

Irish Stones

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

202 million doses is italys share of the european order I believe.

As to why so many doses. It's really only 101 million doses because vaccines require 2 doses.

Yes, it requires two doses, that's why we are wondering what the remaining 40 millions are for...
Because we know our politicians, we can only think the worst, like something will fail and they do know it will, or that there's something that they are not telling us.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Irish Stones wrote: »

I'm afraid they (we) have
https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html

I'm afraid my Italian is poor.

My google translate tells me that italy is getting 202 million which is their share of the eu purchase. Not their own government buying separately.

is_that_so

Irish Stones wrote: »

I'm afraid they (we) have
https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html

That just states they believe that many doses will be available, there's no reference to buying directly from the manufacturers.

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

I'm afraid they (we) have
https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2020/12/01/arcuri-pronto-piano-vaccini-operativo-per-fine-gennaio-_5de86a96-0a3d-4933-9658-0bee9619c720.html

They haven't. Thats Italy agreeing into the EU supply on a population basis.

Ireland is also signing off these deals as they happen. Its the same deal Ireland is in.

Nothing to do with the country buying their own stock

Gael23

Are we any closer to knowing if vaccines interrupt transmission or not.

Sheep2020

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me

How so?

No one got badly sick from Covid with Oxford one, someone got severly sick in Pfizer trial

stephenjmcd

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me

Saw it recently so will try and dig it up. Either way between all the deals agreed so far we've more than enough to cover the population.

Irish Stones

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I'm afraid my Italian is poor.

No problem, I'm here to help

My google translate tells me that italy is getting 202 million which is their share of the eu purchase. Not their own government buying separately.

Which is higher than what it was initially said, and much higher than our needs, I think.

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

No problem, I'm here to help

Which is higher than what it was initially said, and much higher than our needs, I think.

Again, the EU have more doses agreed by contract than population. Hence countries allocations are higher than their populations.

Its the EU deal, you get your proportion out of the total which for everyone will be higher given theres more doses bought than people in Europe.

ShineOn7

An excellent summary from the BBC. All of this is worth a read https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55145696

And the main diagram from it

Irish Stones

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The EU have more doses bought than population, each country signs into that. Hence Italy having more doses than population. Ireland also has more than population

Alright!
I was thinking they were doing tricks, you know, we're Italians after all

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

Alright!
I was thinking they were doing tricks, you know, we're Italians after all

From the EU supply then once countries have sufficient quantities the option is there to redirect further supply to less wealthy nations

brisan

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The EU have more doses bought than population, each country signs into that. Hence Italy having more doses than population. Ireland also has more than population

When could we be realistically expected to have 6 million of the double vaccines ?

is_that_so

Update on the likely EMA decision

"By Dec 29 at the latest but maybe before."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1202/1181870-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

If it's positive the EU Commission will sign off on it within days and we're off!

ShineOn7

is_that_so wrote: »

Update on the likely EMA decision

"By Dec 29 at the latest but maybe before."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1202/1181870-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

If it's positive the EU Commission will sign off on it within days and we're off!

Great stuff but try get your news from the Irish Times or elsewhere

By 6pm RTE will twist this into "Pfizer vaccine found to make all your limbs fall off and set you on fire"

[Deleted User]

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What is Ireland's breakdown of the different brands of it so far?

I'm hoping Pfizer get more out worldwide as it really looks to be the best to me

Based on 1% of EU deals:

Pfizer - 2m (up to 3m)
Oxford - 3m (up to 4m)
Moderna - 0.8m (up to 1.6m)
Curevac - 2.2m (up to 4m)
J & J - 2m (up to 4m)
Sanofi/GSK - 3m

Not all the deals are finalised and each then has to get cabinet approval for the money involved but that's just a formality.

The EU agreement is broadly based on population with some provision to be made for country demographics.

ACitizenErased

I see the Welsh are having issues with logistics - they've ruled out the Pfizer vaccine for nursing homes.

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

Update on the likely EMA decision

"By Dec 29 at the latest but maybe before."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1202/1181870-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

If it's positive the EU Commission will sign off on it within days and we're off!

Good to see the logistics already in action with storage units being commissioned in the next week.

ixoy

A little bit of more concrete detail here on RTE, including:

* nine ultra-low temperature containers have been obtained for storage
(not sure how many doses each container can old) and that " this equipment will be commissioned by the middle of next week."

MM claims it's their top priority but, even so, gives us a moment of humour when he says:

"He said he was sure the Department of Health and HSE had a lot of experience and expertise."

.. Assuming they're allowed exert that expertise and not stifled by red tape.

[Deleted User]

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I see the Welsh are having issues with logistics - they've ruled out the Pfizer vaccine for nursing homes.

Surprised by that, stable at fridge temp for 5 days after thawing. Would have thought you could set up mobile teams, thaw a batch over a few days then a 3 day blitz going from home to home until you run out.

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Great stuff but try get your news from the Irish Times or elsewhere

By 6pm RTE will twist this into "Pfizer vaccine found to make all your limbs fall off and set you on fire"

It's not an opinion piece, it's a report on Dail proceedings, which you can watch, and feedback from a meeting. The IT version of it reports it almost exactly the same.

Gael23

ixoy wrote: »

A little bit of more concrete detail here on RTE, including:

* nine ultra-low temperature containers have been obtained for storage
(not sure how many doses each container can old) and that " this equipment will be commissioned by the middle of next week."

MM claims it's their top priority but, even so, gives us a moment of humour when he says:

"He said he was sure the Department of Health and HSE had a lot of experience and expertise."

.. Assuming they're allowed exert that expertise and not stifled by red tape.

That last sentence is the problem with the HSE

ShineOn7

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not an opinion piece, it's a report on Dail proceedings, which you can watch, and feedback from a meeting. The IT version of it reports it almost exactly the same.

We're still giving RTE clicks by linking to them though

And after what they've done to the mental health of Ireland they shouldn't get any web traffic from us

Frankly; I hope they're absolutely decimated financially in coming years

Pasteur.

It's gonna be embarrassing if we're behind the EU curve on rollout

hmmm

Micheál Martin said that Emer Cooke, head of EMA, briefed EU health ministers this morning, including Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly.

I know we can be a bit parochial, but between Mike Ryan, Adrian Hill and now Emer Cooke it's great to see so many Irish people involved at the highest levels during this pandemic.

Deenie78

Apologies if this is a really stupid question - would you be contagious for a time after getting the vaccine?
It just occurred to me as my Dad is 82 and has high risk health issues so would be one of the earlier recipients but my Mam is 74 and falls a few categories below (using the UK model as an example)?

Stark

The Pfizer and Moderna ones only code for the spike protein so no risk of shedding. No data on potential sterilising immunity though from what I can see so your Dad would still have to be careful not to pick up an infection and bring it home.