COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

stephenjmcd · 02-12-2020 01:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The MHRA would not take approval lightly at the behest of government. We consistently overestimate the power of politicians

I agree wouldn't be taken lightly.

EMA seemingly being critical of the UK approach now as well.

EMA saying its longer approval procedure was more appropriate as it was based on more evidence and required more checks than the emergency procedure chosen by Britain.

Sheep2020 · 02-12-2020 01:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It doesn't have EMA approval nor FDA approval. The EU plan was always to do it at the same time for all members, in early January.

EU is again doing what it does best, being lethargic, bureaucratic and incompetent.

Brexit will start saving lives next week.

What can the EU possibly find that Pfizer haven't triple and double checked?

They can go over that later.

Absolute disgrace it's taking this long and could put us into a 3rd lockdown

Irish Stones · 02-12-2020 01:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

UK prioritisation list for rollout

I fail to see the difference between 55 and 50... Is that real important to discriminate 5 years?

02-12-2020 01:50PM

Sheep2020 wrote: »

EU is again doing what it does best, being lethargic, bureaucratic and incompetent.

Brexit will start saving lives next week.

What can the EU possibly find that Pfizer haven't triple and double checked?

They can go over that later.

Absolute disgrace it's taking this long and could put us into a 3rd lockdown

EMA is approving for 27 countries.

Mitch Connor · 02-12-2020 01:52PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I fail to see the difference between 55 and 50... Is that real important to discriminate 5 years?

Number of people in each demographic, with a decreasing vunerability the younger a person is.

brisan · 02-12-2020 01:53PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I fail to see the difference between 55 and 50... Is that real important to discriminate 5 years?

Purely down to numbers and logistics
A lot more people in the 50-55 and 55-60 groups than in older groups

Sheep2020 · 02-12-2020 01:53PM

hmmm wrote: »

Clear troll, I suggest adding to ignore.

I suggest you stop pretending your a doctor :pac:

daydorunrun · 02-12-2020 01:54PM

I will also get this vaccine live on tv to show it is safe, where do i sign up?

Sheep2020 · 02-12-2020 01:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

EMA is approving for 27 countries.

That's my point, it's lethargic

In a crisis like this it should be done on an individual basis.

Not wait till all 27 are happy

stephenjmcd · 02-12-2020 01:56PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I fail to see the difference between 55 and 50... Is that real important to discriminate 5 years?

That's not discrimination its down to how many are in each grouping, how else are you supposed to distribute

02-12-2020 01:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I agree wouldn't be taken lightly.

EMA seemingly being critical of the UK approach now as well.

EMA saying its longer approval procedure was more appropriate as it was based on more evidence and required more checks than the emergency procedure chosen by Britain.

Seems a bit of criticism coming from some MEPs too.

Problem for the EU and EMA is FDA approval next week is also pretty much guaranteed so it will begin to appear like excess bureaucracy (even if it's not).

lbj666 · 02-12-2020 01:58PM

Sheep2020 wrote: »

That's my point, it's lethargic

In a crisis like this it should be done on an individual basis.

Not wait till all 27 are happy

Not sure how long it would take if Ireland was just depending on our own expertise.

carq · 02-12-2020 01:59PM

Would be nice to see the Govt come up with a plan on this.

How many people are in the 9 groups posted previously?
What will it take to get them vaccinated in terms of resources and time?

If phase 1,2,3 are vaccinated will that mean there will never be a requirement for level 5 again ?
we need a new 5 level plan for getting out of this

hmmm · 02-12-2020 02:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems a bit of criticism coming from some MEPs too.

Problem for the EU and EMA is FDA approval next week is also pretty much guaranteed so it will begin to appear like excess bureaucracy (even if it's not).

If I was the EMA and getting political pressure I'd be more likely to delay than speed things up - in fact it'd be a great opportunity for them to put out a press release saying they are not going to listen to politicians. Getting it out a week earlier will be irrelevant in two months time when they are accused of rushing approval and skipping parts of their safety review.

BTW my understanding is any European country can choose to skip the EMA.

Mitch Connor · 02-12-2020 02:00PM

Sheep2020 wrote: »

That's my point, it's lethargic

In a crisis like this it should be done on an individual basis.

Not wait till all 27 are happy

its following process,not cutting out checks as the UK have done via emergency declaration.

And as the EU is a bulk purchasing and ordering process,it would make sense the approvals is an 'all' process too.

My concern is that Ireland won't be set up for effective and quick distribution when approval is granted - and that we'll be a week or more behind others.

brisan · 02-12-2020 02:02PM

carq wrote: »

Would be nice to see the Govt come up with a plan on this.

How many people are in the 9 groups posted previously?
What will it take to get them vaccinated in terms of resources and time?

If phase 1,2,3 are vaccinated will that mean there will never be a requirement for level 5 again ?
we need a new 5 level plan for getting out of this

I see you are an optimist

brisan · 02-12-2020 02:03PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

its following process,not cutting out checks as the UK have done via emergency declaration.

And as the EU is a bulk purchasing and ordering process,it would make sense the approvals is an 'all' process too.

My concern is that Ireland won't be set up for effective and quick distribution when approval is granted - and that we'll be a week or more behind others.

The more bit is more realistic

is_that_so · 02-12-2020 02:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems a bit of criticism coming from some MEPs too.

Problem for the EU and EMA is FDA approval next week is also pretty much guaranteed so it will begin to appear like excess bureaucracy (even if it's not).

The EMA have already said they are hopeful of doing so before Christmas. Even if it were approved the vaccinations will not start till the New Year anyway. While UK might be a bit rushed, there's a acceptance that it will approved by other licensing authorities anyway. The UK need to be seen to be doing something proactive because they've rarely managed to do that at any stage of the pandemic.

Sheep2020 · 02-12-2020 02:09PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

its following process,not cutting out checks as the UK have done via emergency declaration.

And as the EU is a bulk purchasing and ordering process,it would make sense the approvals is an 'all' process too.

My concern is that Ireland won't be set up for effective and quick distribution when approval is granted - and that we'll be a week or more behind others.

It is a process

I think we are perfectly within our rights to criticise that process all the same

Lets not even dare think about the HSE, they couldn't run a bath

Be better off tendering that out to a private firm

opinionated3 · 02-12-2020 02:14PM

spook_cook wrote: »

If that's all there is to it, why isn't the vaccine being rolled out in Dublin next week? Or in Amsterdam?

It's almost like... there's something else at play and people will use whatever bs for their own agenda.

"HAHA BRITS LOST OUT ON OPTION TO BUY VENTILATORS!!!"

"HAHA BRITS ONLY GOT VACCINE BECAUSE... " if you're American, you rally and rage that the company is based in your country and obviously credit due. If you're pro-EU, it's cos of EU rules.

That wasn't really my point......I was trying to say that they were seeking to turn it into a political victory almost, by rushing through their approval to be seen to be ahead of their European counterparts.
I think we can see that the future relationship between the EU and Britain is going to be pretty spiky........ Especially if the Scots vote for independence and to rejoin the EU. Anyway that's off topic. Apologies for derailing it a bit. Back to the vaccine discussion...

polesheep · 02-12-2020 02:16PM

Sheep2020 wrote: »

It is a process

I think we are perfectly within our rights to criticise that process all the same

Lets not even dare think about the HSE, they couldn't run a bath

Be better off tendering that out to a private firm

Personally, I'm happier to see things done in a measured way, and I don't see the point in being critical of a roll-out that hasn't even happened yet.

02-12-2020 02:18PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I fail to see the difference between 55 and 50... Is that real important to discriminate 5 years?

Why not 49? or 40? If groupings are not clearly defined, you don't have groupings and its first come first served?

brisan · 02-12-2020 02:20PM

Sheep2020 wrote: »

It is a process

I think we are perfectly within our rights to criticise that process all the same

Lets not even dare think about the HSE, they couldn't run a bath

Be better off tendering that out to a private firm

I have said this before and even Mc Sharry the TD on the tonight show last night said the same
If this goes wrong then it will be FF who will get the blame and not the HSE over whom they have little control
He knows if there is a way to mess this up then the HSE will find it
It will be all paperwork and regulations and union problems and everyone else's fault except the HSE ,that will be Tony's spin on it .
They have known for months that this was coming down the tracks and its only recently that a committee has been formed
People saying we have a great record of vaccinations and their rollout
When have we ever attempted to vaccinate 3m people in 6 months which should be the aim
5M population ,1m under 18 not being vaccinated immediately (unless underlying conditions ) and a 75% take up rate of the rest gives 3m
its possible but it will take the will and the ability to think outside the box, which the HSE clearly do not have
GPs ,Boots and pharmacies alone will not get it done

Hurrache · 02-12-2020 02:23PM

Sheep2020 wrote: »

That's my point, it's lethargic

In a crisis like this it should be done on an individual basis.

Not wait till all 27 are happy

Any country in the EU can do what the UK done, the UK in fact done it under EU legislation.
It's not done by a vote from each county, they do it on behalf of all countries within the EU.

Irish Stones · 02-12-2020 02:25PM

It's clear that some countries will have their entire population vaccinated within weeks, other will take months or years.
How will a normal behaviour, like travelling, be widely adopted across the continent? There will be countries that are still distributing the vaccine early 2022, when others have finished by this summer.
Will travel ban be still in place until all countries reach the same level of vaccination?

ShineOn7 · 02-12-2020 02:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

UK prioritisation list for rollout

Actual picture of Donnelly right now

is_that_so · 02-12-2020 02:26PM

brisan wrote: »

I have said this before and even Mc Sharry the TD on the tonight show last night said the same
If this goes wrong then it will be FF who will get the blame and not the HSE over whom they have little control
He knows if there is a way to mess this up then the HSE will find it
It will be all paperwork and regulations and union problems and everyone else's fault except the HSE ,that will be Tony's spin on it .
They have known for months that this was coming down the tracks and its only recently that a committee has been formed
People saying we have a great record of vaccinations and their rollout
When have we ever attempted to vaccinate 3m people in 6 months which should be the aim
5M population ,1m under 18 not being vaccinated immediately (unless underlying conditions ) and a 75% take up rate of the rest gives 3m
its possible but it will take the will and the ability to think outside the box, which the HSE clearly do not have
GPs ,Boots and pharmacies alone will not get it done

There may be less of a problem of distribution than people imagine because of the limited initial supplies of vaccines. They will be going to individuals in very clearly defined environments which the HSE have a lot of control over.

Irish Stones · 02-12-2020 02:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why not 49? or 40? If groupings are not clearly defined, you don't have groupings and its first come first served?

What I mean is, is 5 years really discriminating?
In the table there's is 50, 55, 60.
Wouldn't it be easier by 10, like 70, 60, 50, 40?

Deeper Blue · 02-12-2020 02:29PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Will travel ban be still in place until all countries reach the same level of vaccination?

I assume there'll be no travel ban for those that have a vaccine certificate.

TheCitizen · 02-12-2020 02:29PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

It's clear that some countries will have their entire population vaccinated within weeks, other will take months or years.
How will a normal behaviour, like travelling, be widely adopted across the continent? There will be countries that are still distributing the vaccine early 2022, when others have finished by this summer.
Will travel ban be still in place until all countries reach the same level of vaccination?

It's clear? Where are you getting this "it's clear" from?

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