Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Irish Steve wrote: »

If that happens, I will be delighted to see it, as it will mean that normal life can start to resume, and we'll ALL be able to participate in events and the like that have been impossible for nearly 12 months.

That said, looking at some of the attitudes that are being put forward by some of the keyboard warriors in this thread, I'd be concerned at how much damage will be done by the 12 pubs of Christmas gang, who seem determined to do as much damage as possible to social separation during the Christmas period.

I can only hope that they're all mouth and no trousers, or, even better, the pubs that they choose for their sessions will recognise them for the types that they are, and show them the door before they can cause problems.

Now you're just outright lying through your teeth. Nobody on here suggested they would be doing 12 pubs of Christmas or anything like it.

You have a really strange attitude towards alcohol and people who drink. Supporting the pubs does not mean people are preparing for some huge run of sessions.

Tbh I don't see myself going to a pub this side of Christmas but I'm happy for anyone to have a bit of joy. If that joy means a few quiet pints with welcome company then fair play to them.

If a boozer, or any business for that matter, has put the necessary precautions in place they should be allowed to ****ing get on with it.

ginoginelli wrote: »

Just a few months now until the vaccine rollout , its incredulous to think that many people are going to flock to these high trasmission hotspots when they open. Of course you will get a few dummies but it will mainly be alchos who just can't help themselves. All we can do is hope they dont infect too many others.

Ha!
This whole "it's only alcos who want pubs open" bit is so boring and overdone at this point it verges on bad trolling. Use your brain for ten seconds to try to work out why.

John O.Groats wrote: »

Sadly you will be hoping in vain. These types are determined to flout the rules and will do so by hook or by crook. There will be a large spike in cases early in the new year.

There certainly will, and no doubt it'll still be getting blamed on pubs after they'd benn closed for 10 months.

I'm not assuming I am right, I have done the background research to make sure that there is at least some validity to the position I am taking.

Irish Steve wrote: »

Oh dear. You clearly can't cope with the truth of where things are.

Not in the least surprised, and the people thanking you don't surprise me either.

RTE has just carried an interesting item on the news about the external research that has been done on the cases caused by different establishments, and it's no surprise that the wet pubs are/were a significant contributor.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1129/1181216-covid-wet-pubs/

You've an interesting idea of coping with truth, considering your background research seems to consist of desperately searching for something that appears to support your point and ignoring all the evidence that doesn't.
That study, as quoted in the article, doesn't in any way prove that pubs were a significant contributor. It takes a result; it makes one assumption about what might have caused that result; and it then goes "oh the numbers match, our assumption must be true". It's classic correlation vs causation. In this case, it's clearly one design to produce a particular result, ignoring other factor. Although even that graph notes that "this coincided with universities opening along with specific sporting events", but then decides anyway it's solely the pubs.

If that's the extent of the "evidence" the government that pretty shocking. All the more so since if that's the standard of evidence they're using schools would have to be shut immediately until a vaccine: 10 days after schools started opening, 14-day average for cases had jumped 20%. 3 weeks after they opened, up 50%. Early November, there was a sudden huge dip in cases for 6 days, shortly after the the mid-term break.

Meanwhile, in terms of actual evidence, there remains none that pubs are any worse than restaurants when subjected to the same restrictions. No other country has kept their pubs closed. A German court overturned a late-night pub ban because there was no evidence of pubs being worse. There's apparently even a HIQA report saying exactly the same thing - but oddly the govt are ignoring that in favour of some amazingly shoddy EY data "science".

If you want to do some actual research, download the publicly available figures and have a look at them yourself. Or keep lying to yourself and just cherrypick the laughable "evidence" that supports what you've already decided you want to believe.

That rte article is a clickbait panic article. I really feel for the publicans who have made the effort to retro their pubs to safely house people. Especially ones who have done extra outdoor set ups.

This paragraph should have been at the top of the article tbf instead of halfway down.

"The report noted, however, that the reopening of pubs on 21 September - everywhere except the capital - also coincided with the opening of universities and specific sporting events"

sioda wrote: »

That rte article is a clickbait panic article. I really feel for the publicans who have made the effort to retro their pubs to safely house people. Especially ones who have done extra outdoor set ups.

This paragraph should have been at the top of the article tbf instead of halfway down.

"The report noted, however, that the reopening of pubs on 21 September - everywhere except the capital - also coincided with the opening of universities and specific sporting events"

Just on the EY article worth noting the below

https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1333335239519821825?s=19

One day closer lads! I can smell the pints!

Tazz T wrote: »

I'm an immunology grad. My last year thesis was on the epidemiology of airborne disease. I'd put money on it.

I'm pretty sure NYPET know these facts too. Either they know something we don't or they're just hedging their bets in case they can't be seem to get it wrong by supporting the easing of restrictions.

Remember we're not really going to level 3 tomorrow, it's closer to level 4 and on Friday when the restaurants/gastro pubs open it's still above 3. We won't get to the 3 until two weeks before Xmas when the schools will be out. That alone will offset any increase of infections of people meeting up over Xmas.

Regardless, we're in the fourth quarter of the second wave. We're not going to go straight into a third wave before it's finished. To my knowledge there is no precedence for this happening at any other time in recent history.

But let's come back to it on January and I'll be happy for you to take the piss out of me if I'm wrong on this.

That would be great.

folks, have they given the new guidelines yet? like, do we have to buy food, is the time limit gone etc.

folks are taking kids for a sleepover on Saturday so me and the wife can go out.. thank ****.

but ened to know do we book two places and eat 9e food in each, or can we actually got to a nice restaurant and not have to worry about going to pub after and buying more food for the bin.

hynesie08 wrote: »

Same as before, 9 euro meal, table service, 2m or 2h (1.45)

have they confirmed that yet? i seen some reports saying no time limit if they can social distance? like before.

MrStuffins wrote: »

One day closer lads! I can smell the pints!

Over the smell of shìte?

hynesie08 wrote: »

2 metre distance or 2 hour time limit according to Leo varadkar (it's 1.45 plus 15 for cleaning but he needs the soundbite). Failte ireland releasing their guidelines during the week but nothing major is expected to change.

Talk about operating on old data. 2m has been shown to be of little help when indoors with an airborne virus. No confirmed formite transmission cases out there either as far as I am aware, which renders the cleaning aspect pointless too.

What is the closing time for the places opening?

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Good to see someone is excited about the possibility that pub/restaurant businesses are allowed to open for 2 weeks, they should be grateful of the privilege to serve you...

Exactly! It would be a massive shame if they were not allowed to open. Let's be glad that they are!

Hunky Monster wrote: »

All is rosy in your world eh? My local is gone. Closed forever. But shur whatever.

Well that's a shame! Is that the same local you went to when they opened, got pissed off about having to wear a mask while going to the jacks and decided to protest and not go again? Shame they didn't have your support!

I'll make sure to give my full support to the pubs in the local area over the festive period. It's gonna be class!