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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #5822
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Boggles wrote: »
    Nah, I'm sure there would prefer the Wikipedia warrior.
    Considering that it took me less than ten seconds to figure out how to get free Sky movies, they might be better off. After all, your only expertise is in falling off roofs while trying to install dishes.
    Your idea to just provide back spots that can't get saorview with HD IPTV is simply genius.
    There have been some remarkable advances with RF technology in recent years (5G etc). Though you probably insist on using two tin cans and a piece of string to talk to people and think it the height of modern technology.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #5823
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jmcc wrote: »
    Considering that it took me less than ten seconds to figure out how to get free Sky movies, they might be better off. After all, your only expertise is in falling off roofs while trying to install dishes.

    There have been some remarkable advances with RF technology in recent years (5G etc). Though you probably insist on using two tin cans and a piece of string to talk to people and think it the height of modern technology.

    Regards...jmcc

    Yep. I'm sure if they can't access saorview they will have 5G.

    :pac:


  • #5824
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Boggles wrote: »
    Yep. I'm sure if they can't access saorview they will have 5G.

    :pac:
    Saorview transmitters cover wider areas than 5G cells. It may be easier to cover blackspots with 5G than simply relying upon distant and obstructed Saorview transmitters. And if they have mobile phone coverage in those blackspots, it may be an upgrade. The advantage of 5G and other cellular RF technology is that they are two-way and thus allows for more services than the simple one-way Saorview.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #5825
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jmcc wrote: »
    Saorview transmitters cover wider areas than 5G cells. It may be easier to cover blackspots with 5G than simply relying upon distant and obstructed Saorview transmitters. And if they have mobile phone coverage in those blackspots, it may be an upgrade. The advantage of 5G and other cellular RF technology is that they are two-way and thus allows for more services than the simple one-way Saorview.

    Regards...jmcc

    Seriously?

    RTE are not going install 5G for some one off house up a mountain nor is any of the ISPs. Nor should they be expected to.

    The cheapest best most available credible option at the time and still is what was put in place.

    RTE didn't buy the satellite, when things improve which I'm guessing will be a long time, they are under no obligation to sign another contract or deliver the service.


  • #5826
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Boggles wrote: »
    Seriously?

    RTE are not going install 5G for some one off house up a mountain nor is any of the ISPs. Nor should they be expected to.
    RF blackspots are more likely to be in valleys.
    The cheapest best most available credible option at the time and still is what was put in place.
    It is 1990s technology. Since then, cellular RF technology has become more usable and cheaper. Internet bandwidth and technology has also advanced. Even Saorview's transmitters didn't always follow the older analogue RF transmitters pattern.
    RTE didn't buy the satellite, when things improve which I'm guessing will be a long time, they are under no obligation to sign another contract or deliver the service.
    RTE buying a satellite would have made less sense than some of your posts. Satellites, like all technology, have a finite operational lifetime. Saorview may also be replaced as the Internet infrastructure improves. The topology of Ireland is complex. The same problems that affected MMDS also affected DTT. It is not possible to cover it completely with a single technology. Saorsat is the modern Betamax in the Betamax vs VHS battle between satellite Internet and 5G/cellular Internet.

    Regards...jmcc


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  • #5827
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jmcc wrote: »
    RF blackspots are more likely to be in valleys.

    It is 1990s technology. Since then, cellular RF technology has become more usable and cheaper. Internet bandwidth and technology has also advanced. Even Saorview's transmitters didn't always follow the older analogue RF transmitters pattern.

    RTE buying a satellite would have made less sense than some of your posts. Satellites, like all technology, have a finite operational lifetime. Saorview may also be replaced as the Internet infrastructure improves. The topology of Ireland is complex. The same problems that affected MMDS also affected DTT. It is not possible to cover it completely with a single technology. Saorsat is the modern Betamax in the Betamax vs VHS battle between satellite Internet and 5G/cellular Internet.

    Regards...jmcc

    Jesus Titty Christ.

    No one is going to install 5G in any black spot so some remote village or mountain dwelling can get RTE 1.

    It's not going happen. Why you keep insisting it's a viable more cost effective option to the alternative that is in place is quite simply nuts.


  • #5828
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,178 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    This is all getting very tiresome


  • #5829
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,617 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Saorsat can be used to provide a backup feed to Saorview transmitters.

    Yes, Sky can do that, but imho delivery of the main PSB TV/radio channels is strategic infrastructure and should be under our control not the Dirty Digger's.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #5830
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,617 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    jmcc wrote: »
    Saorview transmitters cover wider areas than 5G cells. It may be easier to cover blackspots with 5G than simply relying upon distant and obstructed Saorview transmitters.'

    Yes, the phone networks can put 5G anywhere.

    Will they? No. Not where the cost of providing it exceeds the revenue from the served population.

    It's really not hard to figure out.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #5831
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    They have had months to prep for this toy show and they still cannot manage to put the required systems in place for what we all knew was going to be exceptionally higher viewers via the player


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  • #5832
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    F**king amazing black magic how nearly two million people can convince themselves they are 'relaxing in their PJ's' having a 'great time' watching some f**king looodraman bouncing about the place dressed as a rabbits arse while he grabs toys from children and throws them over his shoulder.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #5833
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    buried wrote: »
    F**king amazing black magic how nearly two million people can convince themselves they are 'relaxing in their PJ's' having a 'great time' watching some f**king looodraman bouncing about the place dressed as a rabbits arse while he grabs toys from children and throws them over his shoulder.

    As much as I despise Rte and Dee's ****ing drum, Im very relaxed watching this because my kids are enjoying it.


  • #5834
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    happyoutscan wrote: »
    As much as I despise Rte and Dee's ****ing drum, Im very relaxed watching this because my kids are enjoying it.

    Fair play man. Enjoy enjoy.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #5835
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    buried wrote: »
    Fair play man. Enjoy enjoy.

    It is ****e though.


  • #5836
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    happyoutscan wrote: »
    It is ****e though.

    As long as your young ones are enjoying themselves that's all that matters. Probably and hopefully the only year we can give a pass to the noise as long as the young ones can feel a bit of Christmas early.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #5837
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,665 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    buried wrote: »
    F**king amazing black magic how nearly two million people can convince themselves they are 'relaxing in their PJ's' having a 'great time' watching some f**king looodraman bouncing about the place dressed as a rabbits arse while he grabs toys from children and throws them over his shoulder.

    I've not watched the Toy Show in a solid ten years.

    I'm not breaking that streak now. IF folks enjoy it, good for them....

    I'll happily watch something else.


  • #5838
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,975 ✭✭✭buried


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    I've not watched the Toy Show in a solid ten years.

    I'm not breaking that streak now. IF folks enjoy it, good for them....

    I'll happily watch something else.

    I won't begrudge anybody into what they might enjoy, but at the same time lets not f**king fool ourselves either. The Toy show is nothing but a marketing gimmick, a huge advertisement for international toy companies such as the likes of Disney.corp to flaunt their wares for the splurge over the next month. If any adult actually thinks the likes of Tubridy and his crew up in RTE are doing this shtick to 'make us all feel good' and nothing else, time to wise the f**k up.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #5839
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Saorsat can be used to provide a backup feed to Saorview transmitters.

    Yes, Sky can do that, but imho delivery of the main PSB TV/radio channels is strategic infrastructure and should be under our control not the Dirty Digger's.
    I am all for critical national infrastructure remaining in state hands.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #5840
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Yes, the phone networks can put 5G anywhere.

    Will they? No. Not where the cost of providing it exceeds the revenue from the served population.
    It should be subsidised with an element of state control resulting. If there was proper joined-up thinking from the past few governments, there would have been a better Internet infrastructure that could have handled these developments and served the population of Ireland. Things went pear-shaped with the privatisation of Telecom Eireann by the incompetent FF/PD government.

    The advantage of a 5G approach is that the 5G system is potentially revenue generating whereas the Saorsat approach is not. The costs of installation on the 5G system have a way of being recovered (over a long period) and there is an upgrade path. The Saorsat approach is, by comparison, a technological dead end.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #5841
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why you keep insisting it's a viable more cost effective option to the alternative that is in place is quite simply nuts.
    A 5G approach can make money. The Saorsat is primarily a one-way system while 5G is a two-way system that has many more options. In addition to TV delivery, it is possible to charge for other services with a 5G connection. It is that simple.

    Regards...jmcc


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  • #5842
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,160 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    jmcc wrote:
    I am all for critical national infrastructure remaining in state hands.

    A public infrastructure bank should be setup for such activities, revenue from the use of services could be used to service the debts required from such a bank in order to create the infrastructure


  • #5843
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    buried wrote: »
    I won't begrudge anybody into what they might enjoy, but at the same time lets not f**king fool ourselves either. The Toy show is nothing but a marketing gimmick, a huge advertisement for international toy companies such as the likes of Disney.corp to flaunt their wares for the splurge over the next month. If any adult actually thinks the likes of Tubridy and his crew up in RTE are doing this shtick to 'make us all feel good' and nothing else, time to wise the f**k up.

    Nope.

    There was no real toys on display last night, focus was on the kids.

    The ones he did promote were largely Irish made.


  • #5844
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jmcc wrote: »
    A 5G approach can make money. The Saorsat is primarily a one-way system while 5G is a two-way system that has many more options. In addition to TV delivery, it is possible to charge for other services with a 5G connection. It is that simple.

    Regards...jmcc

    No it can't.

    If an ISP is to setup 5G in a remote area with a handful of users they will lose money. It's not that difficult to understand.


  • #5845
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    buried wrote: »
    As long as your young ones are enjoying themselves that's all that matters. Probably and hopefully the only year we can give a pass to the noise as long as the young ones can feel a bit of Christmas early.

    It would be good if RTÉ made programmes for children year round not just at Christmas or because of a pandemic.


  • #5846
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Elmo wrote: »
    It would be good if RTÉ made programmes for children year round not just at Christmas or because of a pandemic.

    They do.


  • #5847
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    buried wrote: »
    I won't begrudge anybody into what they might enjoy, but at the same time lets not f**king fool ourselves either. The Toy show is nothing but a marketing gimmick, a huge advertisement for international toy companies such as the likes of Disney.corp to flaunt their wares for the splurge over the next month. If any adult actually thinks the likes of Tubridy and his crew up in RTE are doing this shtick to 'make us all feel good' and nothing else, time to wise the f**k up.

    There was very little branding or talking about toys this year. Just focusing on the kids. And given people are choosing to watch it and it's not being forced on them it's much more similar to choosing to flick through the Argos or Smyth's catalogue than it is an Ad.

    Something simple and silly can be wholesome and entertaining. Everything doesn't need to be serious.


  • #5848
    Bowlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Bowlardo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hate horse racing but this female was there on merit and RTE let her go.
    https://evoke.ie/2020/01/31/showbiz/tracy-piggott-rte

    She's an excellent presenter and knowledgeable. No doubt they will get vogue to replace her and talk about ladies hats


  • #5849
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    jmcc wrote: »
    A 5G approach can make money. The Saorsat is primarily a one-way system while 5G is a two-way system that has many more options. In addition to TV delivery, it is possible to charge for other services with a 5G connection. It is that simple.

    Regards...jmcc

    5G is a communications protocol. It isn't really suitable for TV delivery.

    Try watching YouTube over a data connection in many various locations. That's about the best that could be achieved. It's seriously dependant on proximity of the mast and obstructions in between. Now consider 5G has significantly less range than 4G. You need to be within 100meters of the mast in many cases with no obstructions between you and the mast. 5G offered high speeds than 4G in well served areas and lower speeds in poorly served areas.

    4G is actually much more suited to TV delivery than 5G

    It's not reliable enough for TV compared to our current solutions. You have to run expensive cabling to every mast so it would be hugely more expensive. And many masts.would only serve one property.


  • #5850
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,665 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Bowlardo wrote: »
    She's an excellent presenter and knowledgeable. No doubt they will get vogue to replace her and talk about ladies hats

    Worse, they got Ted Walsh's daughter, Kate, to replace her.

    The unfortunate thing for Tracy was that her private life (and the problems within) crept into the media.
    Once your private stuff overshadows your TV stuff...it's a ticking time bomb until you're replaced.


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  • #5851
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    Worse, they got Ted Walsh's daughter, Kate, to replace her.

    How can an ex jockey with a life time of experience in racing be "worse" than a "model"?

    Truly bizarre statement.


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