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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #6572
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    fin12 wrote: »
    Whether the pubs open or not, lockdown in January is happening, it has f*ck all to do with pubs never has. Jesus Christ. The country is being run by a bunch of lunatics.

    Flatten the economy.


  • #6573
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    As near to a certainty that your wrong,they may introduce more idiotic restrictions around numbers,opening hours, food kitchens etc but a back bench revolt would take place if they bowed to Nphet pressure.

    I would take issue with the idea of bowing to pressure.
    For clarity :
    - NPHET provides impartial best scientific advice for the benefit of the government making informed decisions
    - NPHET has no remit, and does not, exceed their terms of reference in that regard.

    Thus, any modifications to the measure taken to curtail the spread of Covid 19 are the decisions and responsibilty of the government, and the government alone.

    And furthermore, it is clear to all those who have not lost their reason by virtue of being restrained from patronising pubs as they might have done in the past, the guidance being given by NPHET is of a very high standard. And to their credit, the acceptance and implementation of its implications by the government, is to be commended.


  • #6574
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's great and all, but the virus hasn't gone away. We'll be straight back into lockdowns in January as cases spike if we simply pretend it doesn't exist.

    In my opinion the vintners need to decide what they want - open for a couple of weeks in December and back into lockdown, or a more sustainable opening probably in February-ish as the vaccines are rolled out.

    Not disagreeing with any of the above, but i was only making the point that in my opinion the Government will give the green light to restaurants and food pubs .


  • #6575
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Can Holohan answer what will his advise be one a vaccine is released and people continue to die from Covid. Will he still believe any sort of normality is "dangerous" then?


  • #6576
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    You realise that a pubs turnover in December is 8-10 times that in February......
    That would only happen in normal times. Pubs will have to reopen with social distancing so there will be limits on numbers and I'd say probably a more even distribution - I wouldn't dismiss the psychological impact vaccines will make either early in the new year in terms of giving people confidence to return.


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  • #6577
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Flatten the economy.

    We are all going to be very bad boys n girls in December and will have enjoyed ourselves too much over December so have to punished in January with another lockdown. Like they haven’t even lifted the restrictions yet and they are literally salivating at the mouth thinking about the next lockdown. Very sick individuals at work here. I mean I nearly got sick when I heard that twat Covney go about Santa travelling and there’s people who’ve had their business closed nearly the entire year.


  • #6578
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    hynesie08 wrote: »
    You realise that a pubs turnover in December is 8-10 times that in February......

    Ordinarily.

    Extra staff for table service. Extra staff for cleaning. Extra staff to serve you chicken nuggets. Extra equipment possibly. Less than 50% capacity. Time limits. Early closing.

    If I was a publican I honestly wouldn't bother.


  • #6579
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    hmmm wrote: »
    That would only happen in normal times. Pubs will have to reopen with social distancing so there will be limits on numbers and I'd say probably a more even distribution - I wouldn't dismiss the psychological impact vaccines will make either early in the new year in terms of giving people confidence to return.

    But the idea of February vaccines is at best a pipe dream, pubs opening in December with restrictions will do probably 50-60% of their normal December business,which is still more than if they opened without them in February (which they won't)


  • #6580
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Ordinarily.

    Extra staff for table service. Extra staff for cleaning. Extra staff to serve you chicken nuggets. Extra equipment possibly. Less than 50% capacity. Time limits. Early closing.

    If I was a publican I honestly wouldn't bother.

    If given the choice between December and February, it's not even a discussion.......


  • #6581
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    But the idea of February vaccines is at best a pipe dream, pubs opening in December with restrictions will do probably 50-60% of their normal December business,which is still more than if they opened without them in February (which they won't)
    We'll see our first batch of vaccines arrive probably early January, possibly even sooner. 2 shots are required for protection, about 3 weeks apart. The UK expect to be vaccinating people in December.

    I'm not a publican so perhaps someone can tell me - is it viable for a pub to open for 3 or 4 weeks and then shut down?


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  • #6582
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If given the choice between December and February, it's not even a discussion.......

    I do agree with you.


  • #6583
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If given the choice between December and February, it's not even a discussion.......
    That's unlikely to be the choice. Open in December, big spike in cases countrywide, close again in a hurry. Lockdown for who knows how long until we get the numbers down.

    Open in February, stay open.


  • #6584
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    In January/ feb will still be a case of “still not there” and after that it will be paddy’s day so “ hold off so we can enjoy Easter” and before you know it” Too risky if you want Christmas


  • #6585
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    PommieBast wrote: »
    The thread Famous Dublin pubs that are no more is starting to get busy :(

    So many pubs full of books worth if stories.

    It is not a case of pubs WILL go out of business. It is pubs ARE going out of business. Never to return. Our culture and heritage being torn up by heathens.


  • #6586
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332086063259668480?s=19


  • #6587
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    fin12 wrote: »
    We are all going to be very bad boys n girls in December and will have enjoyed ourselves too much over December so have to punished in January with another lockdown. Like they haven’t even lifted the restrictions yet and they are literally salivating at the mouth thinking about the next lockdown. Very sick individuals at work here. I mean I nearly got sick when I heard that twat Covney go about Santa travelling and there’s people who’ve had their business closed nearly the entire year.

    This read of the situation is unhelpful.

    The NPHET recommendations, backed by a thorough analysis of the current position and projections, are, from a perspective of continued control of the virus, for very close to Level 5 restrictions for the duration through the holiday season. This is the unpleasant truth, however much people dislike the bad news. This is determined not by NPHET, 'agendas', or 'Tony'.
    But by the virus. No lobbying, wishful thinking, self delusion, or desires for a Christmas as it might have been know, come what may, can sweep this away.

    People must be informed of, and understand this situation.

    There will be a very high price to pay for relaxations lower than a hybrid Level 4 / Level 5. The government is informed of this state, and will make its decisions in due course.


  • #6588
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's unlikely to be the choice. Open in December, big spike in cases countrywide, close again in a hurry. Lockdown for who knows how long until we get the numbers down.

    Open in February, stay open.

    Why will February be different to June 29th, July 20th, August 10th or September 21st for pint pubs?


  • #6589
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    This read of the situation is unhelpful.

    The NPHET recommendations, backed by a thorough analysis of the current position and projections, are, from a perspective of continued control of the virus, for very close to Level 5 restrictions for the duration through the holiday season. This is the unpleasant truth, however much people dislike the bad news. This is determined not by NPHET, 'agendas', or 'Tony'.
    But by the virus. No lobbying, wishful thinking, self delusion, or desires for a Christmas as it might have been know, come what may, can sweep this away.

    People must be informed of, and understand this situation.

    There will be a very high price to pay for relaxations lower than a hybrid Level 4 / Level 5. The government is informed of this state, and will make its decisions in due course.

    Ur read of the situation is pure ignorant and ur no doubt extremely brainwashed by ur master. Ur clearly just a mouthpiece. Ull get the Christmas u always had because ur clearly a hermit so happy days.


  • #6590
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Why will February be different to June 29th, July 20th, August 10th or September 21st for pint pubs?
    With the rollout of vaccines there is more likelihood they can open and stay open, if we have numbers low to start with. It'll take a while for the vaccines to make an impact, but getting healthcare staff vaccinated will make a big difference.

    If they open now we just repeat the mistake made last time.


  • #6591
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    Fitz* wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332086063259668480?s=19

    I seem to remember his sources saying EVERYTHING- nightclubs included, were to reopen in August the day before the announcement, and Leo intimitating as much to the cameras, only for Mehole to pull it back with hours to spare.

    I wouldn't believe a word of it until I'm on my way out the door on the 7th.


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  • #6592
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Fitz* wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332086063259668480?s=19


    A decision that will kill people and hospitalise dozens*

    There is no defending this

    Ireland's centuries old and pathetic obsession with alcohol yet again coming to the fore


    (*Source: at one stage I read that 20% of all of Cork's cases were traced back to restaurants and gastropubs)


  • #6593
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    A decision that will kill people and hospitalise dozens*

    There is no defending this

    Ireland's centuries old and pathetic obsession with alcohol yet again coming to the fore


    (*Source: at one stage I read that 20% of all of Cork's cases were traced back to restaurants and gastropubs)

    That 20% may be the case but no way of knowing that they wouldn’t have met up in homes instead.


  • #6594
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Fitz* wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332086063259668480?s=19

    YES!!!

    Result!


  • #6595
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    A decision that will kill people and hospitalise dozens*

    There is no defending this

    Ireland's centuries old and pathetic obsession with alcohol yet again coming to the fore


    (*Source: at one stage I read that 20% of all of Cork's cases were traced back to restaurants and gastropubs)


    You could probably argue that people die every year from winter flu that was caught in a pub.

    It still isnt entirely clear whether covid is more fatal than winter flu.

    Some indicators appear to show that it isn't.

    But hey, it got rid of Trump so mission accomplished it would seem.


  • #6596
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    hmmm wrote: »
    With the rollout of vaccines there is more likelihood they can open and stay open, if we have numbers low to start with. It'll take a while for the vaccines to make an impact, but getting healthcare staff vaccinated will make a big difference.

    If they open now we just repeat the mistake made last time.

    What mistakes of last time? Are you just assuming they were a cause for the Aug-Sept rise? Because, while it may suit your argument, there's no evidence they were an issue.

    It's been announced that restaurant and pubs will open, so it's over in that respect. Probably a half way house solution between people who want pubs fully open and those that want to continue lockdown.

    While I appreciate you have some nuances to your argument, ultimately it comes down to wanting to continue lockdown in order to avoid a future lockdown. That is utterly illogical.

    If you offer patrons and restaurant owners alike the option of December with the risk of losing Jan/Feb, or nothing until Feb, each and every one of them will choose the former.


  • #6597
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

    It still isnt entirely clear whether covid is more fatal than winter flu.

    Some indicators appear to show that it isn't.


    8 months on and people still think this

    There's no point in changing people's minds when they're this mis-informed. It's a waste of energy


  • #6598
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    hmmm wrote: »
    With the rollout of vaccines there is more likelihood they can open and stay open, if we have numbers low to start with. It'll take a while for the vaccines to make an impact, but getting healthcare staff vaccinated will make a big difference.

    If they open now we just repeat the mistake made last time.

    What % of the population do you think will be vaccinated in February? Do you think that when the first vaccine is administered, we throw open the doors of every pub, play maniac 2000 and lick each other?


  • #6599
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    What % of the population do you think will be vaccinated in February? Do you think that when the first vaccine is administered, we throw open the doors of every pub, play maniac 2000 and lick each other?

    Jaysus, if they don't play Maniac 2000 on repeat in every pub for six consecutive months when this is over, they're not doing it right!


  • #6600
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    we throw open the doors of every pub, play maniac 2000 and lick each other?


    When it's 100% safe enough to do so: All of that sounds beautiful, fantastic and utopian





    Except "Maniac 2000"


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  • #6601
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    When it's 100% safe enough to do so: All of that sounds beautiful, fantastic and utopian





    Except "Maniac 2000"

    I was gonna say Mr brightside, decided to localise it......


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