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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #6542
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Only last week takeaway pints were a problem.

    It’s almost like nobody has a clue, but just “do something” is the mantra.

    There is no leadership, this jumped up coalition is a mess.

    Some video of people drinking on the street lands on twitter, quick lets do something, ban takeaway pints. Cue meltdown online. Oh no lets not ban them at all.


  • #6543
    never_mind
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭never_mind


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    There is no leadership, this jumped up coalition is a mess.

    Some video of people drinking on the street lands on twitter, quick lets do something, ban takeaway pints. Cue meltdown online. Oh no lets not ban them at all.

    Advice: meet outdoors only, pubs doing takeaway pints only.
    People: ok, let’s meet outdoors and have a takeaway pint
    Advice: do no meet outdoors! No wait... no you can, but not LIKE that. And also ban takeaway pints. But we might not ban them. Eh.

    I hope you enjoyed my ted talk.


  • #6544
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It will be next/near impossible to keep pubs closed,once vaccination rolls out.....and im not huge drinker,but looking forward to blowing off steam when all this over




    I know of several pubs open mid week,and of a few more letting locals in sat evening for the waterford v kk match....

    Not that il be going....but its time to begining opening on restricted hours (maybe a 10pm.close etc)


  • #6545
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,708 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It will be next/near impossible to keep pubs closed,once vaccination rolls out.....and im not huge drinker,but looking forward to blowing off steam when all this over




    I know of several pubs open mid week,and of a few more letting locals in sat evening for the waterford v kk match....

    Not that il be going....but its time to begining opening on restricted hours (maybe a 10pm.close etc)

    Dr Tony won't let them open and MM will listen and take his advice


  • #6546
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    There has been no decision made yet, but I would be very concerned is there is a yielding to lobbying pressure and they are let open.

    Even the limited opening of pubs with their own facilities and chef for food brings what to my view are unacceptable risks.

    I think your views have been dismissed as nonsense on the restrictions thread


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  • #6547
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    This is the problem. NPHET while Id probably disagree with the "experts" status youve given them are exactly what you describe ie so called "experts" in public health.

    NPHET should have had a few economists / business persons on the team in order to to balance out the danger to our economy and country as well as our health.
    An economist could have given an alternative view to lockdowns and restrictions or maybe come up with an alternative altogether to what we are getting from NPHET.

    Our economy has to survive this as well as our people.





    The flaws in their thinking is that its a single tunnelled vision view of the whole pandemic.

    This virus doesnt kill as many as NPHET make out it does. We could have had parts of the economy open for business as usual while protecting the vulnerable.

    If NPHET and the HSE had protected the nursing homes and the hospitals a second lockdown would not have been necessary
    Its purely a power trip and an anti-alcohol agenda being pushed by Holohan


  • #6548
    Chalk McHugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Chalk McHugh


    I think it's an absolute disgrace the way the people are being treated. We all did our bit for this painfully long 6 week lockdown with the caveat that restrictions would be lifted and we could enjoy some social interaction thereafter.

    All noises coming out of government with newspaper and other media leaks over the last week was of the hospitality sector (excluding wet pubs) opening up as of next Tuesday.

    Then few days ago the goalposts changed slightly with gastro pubs and restaraunts rumoured to open the following week on Mon Dec 7. I think we could accept that and look forward to enjoying catching up with friends over the christmas period

    But after getting our hopes up we hear today at very last hour that those purveyors of misery Nphet have strongly recommended any joy or hope we had for a little bit of festive cheer be crushed under Titan Tony's boot of social destruction.

    If the government take this nphet advice this time i think the people will never forgive them. Or forget. We have done our best and played by the rules (the vast majority of us). It is time they let a little glimmer of light back into our darkened lives.


  • #6549
    dmakc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭dmakc


    To **** with Tony at this stage. Jesus.


  • #6550
    PommieBast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    The thread Famous Dublin pubs that are no more is starting to get busy :(


  • #6551
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    I

    But after getting our hopes up we hear today at very last hour that those purveyors of misery Nphet have strongly recommended any joy or hope we had for a little bit of festive cheer be crushed under Titan Tony's boot of social destruction.

    .

    Wait. Surely nobody actually thought NPHET would recommend that pubs could re open.

    That was a given. There was never a hope they would recommend it.

    I don't think they ever wanted any pubs reopening last summer full stop- it was only when when restaurants were due to open in July and pubs in August and pubs pointed out that they were technically restaurants and would plough ahead, that the government agreed rather than get bogged down in legal argument.

    Holohan and a few nerds in government want to kill the pub off, full stop.


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  • #6552
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    But after getting our hopes up we hear today at very last hour that those purveyors of misery Nphet have strongly recommended any joy or hope we had for a little bit of festive cheer be crushed under Titan Tony's boot of social destruction.
    If the government take this nphet advice this time i think the people will never forgive them. Or forget. We have done our best and played by the rules (the vast majority of us). It is time they let a little glimmer of light back into our darkened lives.

    When they take "advice" you mean.... This will be the final nail in the coffin for many pubs and restaurants who've been holding on till the end of the year and will now close the doors permanently... December/Christmas was the last chance many had to make enough money to keep the lights on for a few more months, take that away and many will hand back the keys in January...

    The only Bar/Restaurants that will open again next Summer will be the likes of Wetherspoons and some of the larger companies in Dublin...

    In case you doubt that, just look at the noises coming from The Leak: https://www.independent.ie/news/pubs-opening-could-lead-to-more-house-parties-varadkar-tells-dail-39795040.html

    Or what the NPHET are saying now, restrict homes, shopping centres, travel and we'll let you go for a meal and a pint!!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/reopening-hospitality-sector-will-mean-limiting-christmas-gatherings-nphet-warns-1.4420274


  • #6553
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    I see that the NPHET recommendation to government has now been made public. It is eminently sensible and I support it.
    I really wish they would not make any of this "public" until the Government has made its decision

    All this does is put pressure on the Government at a time when clear heads are needed

    NPHET represent only one "lobby" in this whole debate. Yes arguably the most important lobby, but I find the way they go about things quite distasteful on occasion


  • #6554
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »

    But after getting our hopes up we hear today at very last hour that those purveyors of misery Nphet have strongly recommended any joy or hope we had for a little bit of festive cheer be crushed under Titan Tony's boot of social destruction.

    If the government take this nphet advice this time i think the people will never forgive them. Or forget. We have done our best and played by the rules (the vast majority of us). It is time they let a little glimmer of light back into our darkened lives.
    To be fair it's not all down to Tony Holohan. Listen to the radio and you'll find no end of gob****es, both so called professionals and ordinary people, who are in support of maintaining restrictions. NPHET know this and act accordingly.

    The sad reality is that there are a lot of people who will happily live like this for a long time without one hint of a care about the repercussions.


  • #6555
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    The White Wolf wrote: »
    To be fair it's not all down to Tony Holohan. Listen to the radio and you'll find no end of gob****es, both so called professionals and ordinary people, who are in support of maintaining restrictions. NPHET know this and act accordingly.

    The sad reality is that there are a lot of people who will happily live like this for a long time without one hint of a care about the repercussions.

    A great deal of the pro lockdown twitter mob are asocial lefties who are feckin chomping at the bit to stay on enhanced rate welfare til the end of time.


  • #6556
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    A great deal of the pro lockdown twitter mob are asocial lefties who are feckin chomping at the bit to stay on enhanced rate welfare til the end of time.

    I'm not sure about the leftie stuff but yeah it's generally a mob of bitter/miserable people completely cut off from society.

    The type of muppet who rings up a talkshow saying they're delighted to have a reason now to turn relatives and in laws away from their door.


  • #6557
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    A great deal of the pro lockdown twitter mob are asocial lefties who are feckin chomping at the bit to stay on enhanced rate welfare til the end of time.

    NPHET and the pro lockdown mob are lunatics. I know loads of people who are going out every day and working as hard as they've ever worked, and 40% of their earnings are being plundered to pay for the fascists in NPHET and the social welfare crowd.


  • #6558
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    GazzaL wrote: »
    NPHET and the pro lockdown mob are lunatics. I know loads of people who are going out every day and working as hard as they've ever worked, and 40% of their earnings are being plundered to pay for the fascists in NPHET and the social welfare crowd.


    Now you are talking like a lunatic.
    I like a pint or two but a reopening without the rates being very low is madness.



    Maybe restricted hours, open windows, social distancing 6 pint limits might be ok for a week or two?


  • #6559
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Now you are talking like a lunatic.
    I like a pint or two but a reopening without the rates being very low is madness.



    Maybe restricted hours, open windows, social distancing 6 pint limits might be ok for a week or two?

    What's a low enough number though and what's the reaction once an inevitable spike happens when restrictions are eased? We can't keep playing this merry go round game.

    Nobody wants a free for all but if the last 6 weeks have proved anything with the "unsatisfactory" figures, it's that such harsh lockdowns are not the solution.

    We need to cop on and give up this idea of barely any or zero cases because you simply can't control society like that, unless that is what we're talking about wanting? It's a pretty slippery slope.


  • #6560
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Now you are talking like a lunatic.
    I like a pint or two but a reopening without the rates being very low is madness.



    Maybe restricted hours, open windows, social distancing 6 pint limits might be ok for a week or two?

    So, basically put the pubs in a situation where it would be completely unviable to open but remove any government support because they'd be choosing not to......

    Do people understand that when covid goes away we actually need an economy for it to recover.....


  • #6561
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The White Wolf wrote: »
    What's a low enough number though and what's the reaction once an inevitable spike happens when restrictions are eased? We can't keep playing this merry go round game.

    Nobody wants a free for all but if the last 6 weeks have proved anything with the "unsatisfactory" figures, it's that such harsh lockdowns are not the solution.

    We need to cop on and give up this idea of barely any or zero cases because you simply can't control society like that, unless that is what we're talking about wanting? It's a pretty slippery slope.


    Under 200 daily was given.


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  • #6562
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    So, basically put the pubs in a situation where it would be completely unviable to open but remove any government support because they'd be choosing not to......

    Do people understand that when covid goes away we actually need an economy for it to recover.....

    It's the "I'm alright, Jack" mentality from NPHET and the pro lockdown nutters. Perpetual lockdowns are an attack on basic personal freedoms. They are disastrous in economic terms, and disastrous for people who have been forced out of work. The WHO strongly advise against lockdowns, and only recommend their use as a last resort.


  • #6563
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Under 200 daily was given.

    Why is under 200 a magic number? What's the reaction once a week later it's twice that? Another meltdown? These are the questions people don't want to answer because they can't.


  • #6564
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The White Wolf wrote: »
    To be fair it's not all down to Tony Holohan. Listen to the radio and you'll find no end of gob****es, both so called professionals and ordinary people, who are in support of maintaining restrictions. NPHET know this and act accordingly.

    The sad reality is that there are a lot of people who will happily live like this for a long time without one hint of a care about the repercussions.

    Wait until the Covid Tax is brought in.

    Same people will be outraged.

    Like the bear tax in the Simpsons.


  • #6565
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    GazzaL wrote: »
    It's the "I'm alright, Jack" mentality from NPHET and the pro lockdown nutters. Perpetual lockdowns are an attack on basic personal freedoms. They are disastrous in economic terms, and disastrous for people who have been forced out of work. The WHO strongly advise against lockdowns, and only recommend their use as a last resort.

    NPHET don't have to care about the economy though, that's not their job, what happened to the task force that was supposed to process NPHETs advice? Are there any economists weighing in on the situation? Or has a pandemic that has destroyed jobs lives and families become a Pissing contest between Tony and Leo? (I'd be surprised if Michael could even piss his pants.....)


  • #6566
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Dr Tony won't let them open and MM will listen and take his advice

    As near to a certainty that your wrong,they may introduce more idiotic restrictions around numbers,opening hours, food kitchens etc but a back bench revolt would take place if they bowed to Nphet pressure.


  • #6567
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    As near to a certainty that your wrong,they may introduce more idiotic restrictions around numbers,opening hours, food kitchens etc but a back bench revolt would take place if they bowed to Nphet pressure.
    That's great and all, but the virus hasn't gone away. We'll be straight back into lockdowns in January as cases spike if we simply pretend it doesn't exist.

    In my opinion the vintners need to decide what they want - open for a couple of weeks in December and back into lockdown, or a more sustainable opening probably in February-ish as the vaccines are rolled out.


  • #6568
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's great and all, but the virus hasn't gone away. We'll be straight back into lockdowns in January as cases spike if we simply pretend it doesn't exist.

    In my opinion the vintners need to decide what they want - open for a couple of weeks in December and back into lockdown, or a more sustainable opening probably in February-ish as the vaccines are rolled out.

    They probably want to have a business in February, can't open a bankrupt business


  • #6569
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's great and all, but the virus hasn't gone away. We'll be straight back into lockdowns in January as cases spike if we simply pretend it doesn't exist.

    In my opinion the vintners need to decide what they want - open for a couple of weeks in December and back into lockdown, or a more sustainable opening probably in February-ish as the vaccines are rolled out.

    Whether the pubs open or not, lockdown in January is happening, it has f*ck all to do with pubs never has. Jesus Christ. The country is being run by a bunch of lunatics.


  • #6570
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    They probably want to have a business in February, can't open a bankrupt business
    A pub that opens in December for a few weeks and is then shut in the new year as cases spike doesn't sound very viable either. How much will publicans be investing in stock?


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  • #6571
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    hmmm wrote: »
    A pub that opens in December for a few weeks and is then shut in the new year as cases spike doesn't sound very viable either. How much will publicans be investing in stock?

    You realise that a pubs turnover in December is 8-10 times that in February......


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