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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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    #4442
    Boggles
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    It seems Glanmire national school was forced to close because the community got wind it was riddled and started yanking their kids out en masse.

    They didn't seem too keen on the lets pretend nothing is happening method.

    Good job they did, God only knows how many more "unknown" household clusters would have developed.


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    #4443
    [Deleted User]
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    Blondini wrote: »
    Lots of people have unusual hobbies I suppose, but obsessing about schools is one of the creepier ones.

    How are people who live in communities with schools and some of us who have kids in schools obsessing by posting in a thread about schools?


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    #4444
    Glurrl
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Glurrl


    Darwin wrote: »
    Surprising at RTE acknowledging schools are third most likely places to record clusters:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1125/1180502-school-outbreaks/

    Goes on to say the overwhelming majority of cases occur in private households. What does that actually mean? Somebody opened the freezer and got infected by a frozen piece of fish?

    They are more likely to catch it at home than at school.


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    #4445
    Darwin
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    HerrKuehn wrote: »
    0-4 are not in school. In week 47 # of cases

    0-4 = 116
    5-12 = 218
    13-18 = 268
    19-24 = 329
    25-34 = 401 * (larger range)

    So, the 0-4 are not in school. The 5-12 and the 13-18 who are in school have a lower number of cases than the 19-24 who are ... not in the school???

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%2047_%20Slidset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf

    Lets try again. The school going cohort are 5-12 and 13-18...collectively they have a higher number of cases than 19 to 24. Also, you will find lots of 19 year olds in their final year of school.


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    #4446
    [Deleted User]
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    Darwin wrote: »
    Lets try again. The school going cohort are 5-12 and 13-18...collectively they have a higher number of cases than 19 to 24. Also, you will find lots of 19 year olds in their final year of school.

    1million kids across 13 years have more cases than 360k across 5 years. How unusual


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    #4447
    Messi19
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    Glurrl wrote: »
    They are more likely to catch it at home than at school.

    Sure they're all living at home with 20-30 people in each room, so yeah it makes sense


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    #4448
    Darwin
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    1million kids across 13 years have more cases than 360k across 5 years. How unusual

    And of course none of those other categories got infected from school going children.


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    #4449
    Glurrl
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Glurrl


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Sure they're all living at home with 20-30 people in each room, so yeah it makes sense

    Are they?


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    #4450
    Messi19
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    Glurrl wrote: »
    Are they?

    Guaranteed


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    #4451
    Glurrl
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Glurrl


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Guaranteed


    Goodness, that must be a deprived area you work in


    There was 19 cases in schools and 20 cases in workplaces. Schools are safer than workplaces.


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    #4452
    Blondini
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    Glurrl wrote: »
    Goodness, that must be a deprived area you work in


    There was 19 cases in schools and 20 cases in workplaces. Schools are safer than workplaces.

    19 cases in schools?

    Crazy, considering there were 17 cases in just one school in Glanmire...

    These magical schools just keep getting magicier!


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    #4453
    Boggles
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    Blondini wrote: »
    19 cases in schools?

    Crazy, considering there were 17 cases in just one school in Glanmire...

    These magical schools just keep getting magicier!

    So far. The entire school is getting tested apparently.

    Will be interesting to see the results, I imagine we won't though.


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    #4454
    Messi19
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    Glurrl wrote: »
    Goodness, that must be a deprived area you work in


    There was 19 cases in schools and 20 cases in workplaces. Schools are safer than workplaces.

    So deprived that it's essential but don't let that dissuade your delusions


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    #4455
    Glurrl
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Glurrl


    Blondini wrote: »
    19 cases in schools?

    Crazy, considering there were 17 cases in just one school in Glanmire...

    These magical schools just keep getting magicier!

    A cluster or outbreak is defined as the discovery of two or more cases in a setting.

    17 in one school is probably one cluster. No magic involved. When did that happen?


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    #4456
    ShamoBuc
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    Glurrl wrote: »
    A cluster or outbreak is defined as the discovery of two or more cases in a setting.

    17 in one school is probably one cluster. No magic involved. When did that happen?

    School closed yesterday for 2 weeks. 17 cases spread between 4 or 5 classes at least.

    Over 450 students and teachers now classified as close contacts and have started their first of at least 2 tests today and will continue tomorrow.


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    #4457
    Glurrl
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    Boggles wrote: »
    It seems Glanmire national school was forced to close because the community got wind it was riddled and started yanking their kids out en masse.

    They didn't seem too keen on the lets pretend nothing is happening method.

    Good job they did, God only knows how many more "unknown" household clusters would have developed.

    The community got wind the place was riddled


    Boggles wrote: »
    So far. The entire school is getting tested apparently.

    Will be interesting to see the results, I imagine we won't though.
    How many cases were identified before mass testing. When was that done?


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    #4458
    wirelessdude01
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    I see contact tracing now being expanded to the previous seven days rather than the previous two. Womder will schools be kept at the two days?


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    #4459
    Boggles
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    Glurrl wrote: »
    How many cases were identified before mass testing. When was that done?

    Mass testing hasn't been done, I thought that was obvious from my post.

    The HSE still haven't contacted parents according to the Examiner.

    Again, The HSE kept the school open, it was the parents who insisted on it closing by yanking their kids.


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    #4460
    JimmyVik
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Mass testing hasn't been done, I thought that was obvious from my post.

    The HSE still haven't contacted parents according to the Examiner.

    Again, The HSE kept the school open, it was the parents who insisted on it closing by yanking their kids.


    I heard a lot of those positive tests coming out now were parents going to their own GP and explaining that there was covid in the class and would they refer the child to a test as the HSE were not testing them. Is this true?


    That whole situation seems to be totally backwards as to how they should manage cases in schools. Im sure mirrored in many, many more schools across the country.


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    #4461
    SusanC10
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    JimmyVik wrote: »
    I heard a lot of those positive tests coming out now were parents going to their own GP and explaining that there was covid in the class and would they refer the child to a test as the HSE were not testing them. Is this true?

    This is how my friend's son got his Positive. Case was sitting 2 seats from him at school. HSE deemed no close contacts. My friend and her husband weren't happy as they have vulnerable family members. GP agreed to refer for a Test and it came back Positive.


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    #4462
    khalessi
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    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    The death rate nationally is 0.03%
    Deaths between 0 and 70 are practically nil.
    We were told 100000 would die back in March.
    2000 have died whoch means the projected death toll was wrong by 98%
    We should never have locked down and we should lift all restrictions immediately.
    The dead most likely died with Covid not from it.
    They died of old age, heart disease, cancer etc but we were listed as Covid deaths by the HSE.


    My dad has cancer and it is being managed well, if he got covid and died I would prefer his death cert said Covid as the cancer is not killing him due to good management. Deaths are attributed to the cause of death not flights of imagination.


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    #4463
    ShamoBuc
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Mass testing hasn't been done, I thought that was obvious from my post.

    The HSE still haven't contacted parents according to the Examiner.

    Again, The HSE kept the school open, it was the parents who insisted on it closing by yanking their kids.

    The HSE closed the school, that's a fact. The vast majority of students were in attendance and thinking it was the parents that got the school to close is absolutely ridiculous in the extreme. That simply did not happen.

    Don't believe everything you read in the Examiner. Afterall, they said there was 200 students in the school. There is in actual fact 435 students, and nearly 30 staff.

    All students and staff are classified as close contacts and are currently being tested.

    The principal was on RTE earlier.


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    #4464
    expectationlost
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    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180714-cork-school-covid-19/
    However, the school was unaware of a number of other positive cases within the school community, which had been identified by public health prior to 15 November.
    whats the principal getting at?


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    #4465
    wirelessdude01
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    Glanmire school fairly giving both barrels to the HSE over their approach and how it led to the current situation which could and should have been avoided.


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    #4466
    lulublue22
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Glanmire school fairly giving both barrels to the HSE over their approach and how it led to the current situation which could and should have been avoided.

    From my perspective I’m happy to see the issue being highlighted by the school. The inconsistencies in approaches on the ground to identifying close contacts is mind boggling. It was only a matter of time before this happened. Good too to read that parents are happy with the schools procedures around covid 19 and an acknowledgement from parents that the school was doing everything it could to minimise the spread of covid in the school setting.


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    #4467
    ShamoBuc
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180714-cork-school-covid-19/ whats the principal getting at?

    Students tested positive but the school not informed. Close contacts, contact tracing, Pods information etc not done in school and students that may have needed to self isolate or get tested, mixed freely in classes, yards etc and at home with their family and even extended family!

    Then, all of a sudden, the school has 17 positive cases and the HSE wonder why!

    Also, if the school were not told by the HSE, they were also clearly not told by the parents!!


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    #4468
    lulublue22
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Students tested positive but the school not informed. Close contacts, contact tracing, Pods information etc not done in school and students that may have needed to self isolate, mixed freely in classes and at home .

    Then, all of a sudden, the school has 17 positive cases and the HSE wonder why!

    Also, if the school were not told by the HSE, they were also clearly not told by the parents!!

    Whatever about the parents - It’s a serious fail on the behalf of public health and will hopefully lead to a review of how cases are dealt with in schools including focusing on the issue of close contacts. Having said that I read that a parent was unhappy as one of the siblings was deemed a close contact but the other wasn’t. Mum was concerned as to how this could be so and the second sibling was ok to go to school - presumably secondary but not stated.


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    #4469
    Boggles
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »

    Also, if the school were not told by the HSE, they were also clearly not told by the parents!!

    HSE is supposed to contact the school not the parents.

    How many principles have we heard from at this stage saying they have heard from parents but can't do anything until the HSE contact them.

    Remember the school in Kerry that took the decision to close and was ordered to reopen.

    When the sole focus is under the carpet brushing exercise from governance, confusion will reign.


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    #4470
    expectationlost
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Students tested positive but the school not informed. Close contacts, contact tracing, Pods information etc not done in school and students that may have needed to self isolate or get tested, mixed freely in classes, yards etc and at home with their family and even extended family!

    Then, all of a sudden, the school has 17 positive cases and the HSE wonder why!

    Also, if the school were not told by the HSE, they were also clearly not told by the parents!!
    school should sue parents


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    #4471
    wirelessdude01
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    School in Kilkenny with 12 active cases as we speak and growing.


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