Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

BorneTobyWilde · 26-11-2020 01:42AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Counting votes is not magic. Don't be so gullible to swallow Rudy's nonsense. That man has absolutely zero credibility.

WHen you hear things like Rudi said , not sure of numbers, but it was something like '' 30,000 ballots came back the day they were posted, 25000 ballots came back day after they were posted, and 40,000 ballots came back a day before they were posted unless Doc Brown is involved I don't see how this could happen.

namloc1980 · 26-11-2020 01:49AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

WHen you hear things like Rudi said , not sure of numbers, but it was something like '' 30,000 ballots came back the day they were posted, 25000 ballots came back day after they were posted, and 40,000 ballots came back a day before they were posted unless Doc Brown is involved I don't see how this could happen.

Because it didn't happen. Rudy has been making wild and unsubstantiated claims since the election without a shred of evidence or proof. You seem to believe what he's saying which is unfortunate because he's a complete spoofer. In court he doesn't claim fraud at all, but in public he claims this massive conspiracy and some people believe him without question.

Zak Flaps · 26-11-2020 04:51AM

Why is pardoning allowed? Can you pardon anyone you want or as many as you want?

VinLieger · 26-11-2020 07:54AM

Zak Flaps wrote: »

Why is pardoning allowed? Can you pardon anyone you want or as many as you want?

Yep you can pardon anyone and as many people as you want.

Also being pardonned comes with a tacit admission of guilt, say you were found guilty of a crime you plead not guilty to, accepting a pardon is admitting you were actually guilty. The best example of this is joe arpaio who found this out on live air

However you can only pardon federal crimes, which is why even if trump does somehow pardon himself or get pence to do it hes still acrewed as the SDNY is coming at him hard with a lot of state level stuff.

jill_valentine · 26-11-2020 08:41AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The legislatures can reject the elections in their states if they believe them to be fraudulent. The college votes can therefore be denied to Biden. If he doesn't reach 270 votes then under the 12th Amendment each state gets 1 vote. The majority of the states are Republican so Trump would win.

This is not true and whoever told you that lied to you, and knew they were lying to you - something to remember next time they want to lie to you again.

It's made quite clear under the Amendment you quote -

The Twelfth Amendment wrote:

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President

270 is only the threshold if every electoral vote is cast. The strict requirement though is only "the greatest number".

If, for some reason, red states wanted to withhold their electoral votes, and if somehow they did, Biden would still be President based on the plurality of the remaining votes.

Boggles · 26-11-2020 09:14AM

everlast75 wrote: »

When Joe stands in front of the U.N., he won't be laughed at.

Apparently, people prefer when the POTUS *is* laughed at

Or NATO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iimj0j4NYME

Sums him up in 30 seconds.

ArmaniJeanss · 26-11-2020 09:44AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

This is not true and whoever told you that lied to you, and knew they were lying to you - something to remember next time they want to lie to you again.

It's made quite clear under the Amendment you quote -

270 is only the threshold if every electoral vote is cast. The strict requirement though is only "the greatest number".

If, for some reason, red states wanted to withhold their electoral votes, and if somehow they did, Biden would still be President based on the plurality of the remaining votes.

I don't think it matters at this stage, but I reckon you are wrong about this. The winners need 270, not just the most votes.

You left out the key clause in the 12th.

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority...………..

So if appointed electors of which there are obviously 538, don't vote for any reason - then the 270 target still applies. Because they were 'appointed' electors.

ohnonotgmail · 26-11-2020 09:50AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Nothing has to be proven in court. The legislatures just have to decide they believe there was fraud. They can refuse to accept the validity of the national vote and toss it.

The result in PA has already been certified and the electors chosen.

ohnonotgmail · 26-11-2020 09:54AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

WHen you hear things like Rudi said , not sure of numbers, but it was something like '' 30,000 ballots came back the day they were posted, 25000 ballots came back day after they were posted, and 40,000 ballots came back a day before they were posted unless Doc Brown is involved I don't see how this could happen.

Rudy has provided no evidence of what he claims. if he has evidence he would be winning in court. In fact Rudy has told judges he is not claiming there was fraud. He did this because the repercussions of lying to a judge are much more severe than lying in a press conference

Seanachai · 26-11-2020 10:04AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The result in PA has already been certified and the electors chosen.

It looks like it's been held back,

https://www.scribd.com/document/485797248/620-MD-2020-Order-Nov-25?fbclid=IwAR3lGGrWR-RtFBi8eghMdAq3aJhE6yWDu4YCda0sgxDCxgIyi9KX_TMfsqE

ohnonotgmail · 26-11-2020 10:07AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I don't think it matters at this stage, but I reckon you are wrong about this. The winners need 270, not just the most votes.

You left out the key clause in the 12th.

So if appointed electors of which there are obviously 538, don't vote for any reason - then the 270 target still applies. Because they were 'appointed' electors.

The PA governor has already appointed their electors.

26-11-2020 10:08AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Dislike of Biden was a huge factor in this election. Those on the fence just disliked Trump more.
It was basically a decision of who you disliked less.
Roll on January

In what election has that not been the case? In what election do you think the people that were on the fence were so because they liked both candidates so much that they couldn't decide between them?

namloc1980 · 26-11-2020 10:10AM

Seanachai wrote: »

It looks like it's been held back,

https://www.scribd.com/document/485797248/620-MD-2020-Order-Nov-25?fbclid=IwAR3lGGrWR-RtFBi8eghMdAq3aJhE6yWDu4YCda0sgxDCxgIyi9KX_TMfsqE

They were already appointed prior to this order.

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2020 11:43AM

bewareofthedog wrote: »

Why would he have purposely lied if the FBI had already listened to all his phone calls and cleared him?

I think this article gives a pretty good job of trying to explain the logic of Flynns actions and to a lesser extent Jeff Sessions at around the same time.

Basically - Flynn knew that there was *something* dodgy about Trump and teams actions with and about Russia , but he didn't know the specifics.

He knew he had to try to provide cover for Trump though , so he lied - A stupid lie that he didn't need to do. If he'd just said "Yes , spoke to Kislyak a bit too soon , My bad!" beyond a bit of media fluff , nothing would have happened.

One potential answer, I would propose, is that Sessions and Flynn lied about their conversations with Kislyak precisely because they were not in the loop on Trump’s other contacts with Russia. They knew that the swirling Trump-Russia scandal was lethally radioactive. They did not know exactly where the radioactivity was centered. They lied to protect the group secret, without themselves knowing what the group secret was. They lied about their own contacts with the Russian ambassador because they intuited that there was some terrible truth about Russia that Trump would want concealed. And because they did not know that truth, they lied extravagantly and excessively, when a guiltier person might have lied more strategically and precisely.

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2020 11:52AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

A large portion of the 80 million didn't vote for Biden. They voted to get rid of Trump. Biden is unlikeable and bland

Mostly correct , except that Biden is eminently "likeable" , it's a large part of why he got elected and flipped those mid-western states.

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2020 11:54AM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The legislatures can reject the elections in their states if they believe them to be fraudulent. The college votes can therefore be denied to Biden. If he doesn't reach 270 votes then under the 12th Amendment each state gets 1 vote. The majority of the states are Republican so Trump would win.

Nope - They have to PROVE they are fraudulent and so far even Giuliani isn't trying to prove Fraud in Court.

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2020 11:59AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

WHen you hear things like Rudi said , not sure of numbers, but it was something like '' 30,000 ballots came back the day they were posted, 25000 ballots came back day after they were posted, and 40,000 ballots came back a day before they were posted unless Doc Brown is involved I don't see how this could happen.

If Rudi has the evidence for this, why is he not saying it on court instead of just sh!te talking for TV??

Why?

Because IT IS A LIE , he can get away with lying on TV/Twitter , but even Rudi knows if he does it in court, he goes to Jail.

Listen to/Read what they are saying in Courts of Law , not what they say in front of the Media.

In Court they have explicitly and repeatedly confirmed that they have no evidence of fraud and they are are not attempting to prove fraud.

All of their court arguments are based on a variety of technical challenges either to the ballots themselves or the State laws around Mail-in ballots - And they are currently 1-37 on those.

There was no Fraud.

Grab All Association · 26-11-2020 12:00PM

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1331731279495237633?s=21

Wow. If you don’t like the truth, unfollow and Trump will win

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2020 12:09PM

Grab All Association wrote: »

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1331731279495237633?s=21

Wow. If you don’t like the truth, unfollow and Trump will win

Good Lord - The comments on the original NewsMax post are deeply disturbing.

I know these people represent the fringe of the fringe and are not truly representative of the majority of Americans or even Trump voters , but they really are beyond saving at this point.

Frightening what one of these nutters might actually try to do.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-11-2020 12:11PM

Grab All Association wrote: »

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1331731279495237633?s=21

Wow. If you don’t like the truth, unfollow and Trump will win

These are the same people who were probably calling Biden supporters 'snowflakes" over the last few years:pac:

ohnonotgmail · 26-11-2020 12:13PM

Isn't it odd that we haven't heard a thing about hunter bidens laptop since the election.

duploelabs · 26-11-2020 12:18PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Isn't it odd that we haven't heard a thing about hunter bidens laptop since the election.

Well the computer repair guy closed up shop and skipped town

PropJoe10 · 26-11-2020 12:29PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Isn't it odd that we haven't heard a thing about hunter bidens laptop since the election.

Weird indeed. Wasn't Rudy meant to come out with some "explosive revelations" on that before the election?

I assume he'll be providing that at the same time as he provides irrefutable proof of widespread voter fraud in the election.

Or, maybe not.

everlast75 · 26-11-2020 12:31PM

This cheered me right up...

https://twitter.com/gelles/status/1331765673542946818?s=19

Carfacemandog · 26-11-2020 01:24PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Isn't it odd that we haven't heard a thing about hunter bidens laptop since the election.

I hear it's gone missing in the caravan of immigrants that vanished into the ether back in mid Movember, 2018.

namloc1980 · 26-11-2020 01:37PM

The recount in Milwaukee has resulted in a net increase of 3 votes for Biden so far! Real earth shattering stuff there from the Trump camp's insistence on a recount.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/24/politics/milwaukee-wisconsin-recount/index.html?utm_term=image&utm_content=2020-11-26T10%3A17%3A01&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_medium=social

26-11-2020 01:55PM

everlast75 wrote: »

This cheered me right up...

https://twitter.com/gelles/status/1331765673542946818?s=19

Going by trump's record, I'd say they two hopes of being paid and one of them is Bob.

Eric Cartman · 26-11-2020 01:58PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Counting votes is not magic. Don't be so gullible to swallow Rudy's nonsense. That man has absolutely zero credibility.

its actually sad that the greatest mayor New York had has fallen this far into just sheer lunacy.

ohnonotgmail · 26-11-2020 02:00PM

everlast75 wrote: »

This cheered me right up...

https://twitter.com/gelles/status/1331765673542946818?s=19

they should have asked for the money upfront.

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2020 02:04PM

Hard to know who's the bigger fool in this one

He donated $2.5M to them so they could investigate voter fraud , but now that they have failed miserably to find any, he wants his money back..

A North Carolina money manager is suing a pro-Trump group for $2.5 million after the group failed to show evidence of voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election or provide him with updates on their efforts.

Fred Eshelman donated the money to True the Vote Inc., a Houston-based organization, which had promised to "investigate, litigate, and expose suspected illegal balloting and fraud in the 2020 general election," according to Bloomberg.

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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