Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 06:08PM

miece16 wrote: »

i've been waiting 10 months to have a few sociable drinks with friends. I'll be doing it this xmas with friends.

Why did you wait until now? Why not before?

Scoundrel · 24-11-2020 06:13PM

So it'll be outdoor only till the 14th and the the 9 euro nonsense after that?

hynesie08 · 24-11-2020 06:14PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

It looks like restaurants and pubs wont be in the reopening next tuesday December 1st, retail barbers, gyms etc just.
Restaurants and gastro pubs from Monday December 14th would then make sense, hopefully it will only be pubs that genuinely had a Food trade always. Most Dublin pubs have a genuine food offering. All temple bar pubs do food likewise grafton street etc bar Mcdaids and grogans.

I don't believe Tony is leading an evil cabal against pubs, but this is sheer stupidity, that means there will be 1 weekend where pubs can open before Christmas, that's just asking for trouble......

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 06:16PM

Another person on the radio anti pub/ restaurant with absolutely no evidence.

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 06:17PM

'studies are emerging'

None referenced!

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 06:19PM

Scoundrel wrote: »

So it'll be outdoor only till the 14th and the the 9 euro nonsense after that?

I haven't heard any mention of 14th.

I heard a week later...

There is no way they will be waiting until 14 December.

LuasSimon · 24-11-2020 06:21PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I don't believe Tony is leading an evil cabal against pubs, but this is sheer stupidity, that means there will be 1 weekend where pubs can open before Christmas, that's just asking for trouble......

Make it Thursday Dec 10th so, be interesting to see how social distancing will be policed!

Acosta · 24-11-2020 06:25PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Gardai should be stopping those house parties . Selfish gits trying to ruin all the good work , can people not wait until the new year for a few drinks .

Too many people have had enough. There will be raging house parties in every town, village and city all over Christmas. It would probably be a lot safer to open pubs in restricted conditions.

From Irish Independent

Pubs may be required to have an operational kitchen to be allowed open under the new rules being considered.

“We want to clamp down on pubs opening because they have a chipper van out the back”, a Government source said.

So once the virus sees a working kitchen is in operation it will take a sharp turn and head for the door. People are fed up with this horse****

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 24-11-2020 06:26PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why did you wait until now? Why not before?

Because like me he probably looked at the restrictions and didn't bother his bollocks because they're a joke.

hynesie08 · 24-11-2020 06:26PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Make it Thursday Dec 10th so, be interesting to see how social distancing will be policed!

If pubs have 2 weekends, 4 days, 4 seatings a day, they'll put the gardai to shame in how efficient they will be.

undertaker fan 88 · 24-11-2020 06:30PM

This is turning in to a complete farce to be honest. I'm a barman and still havent gotten any indication that I have a job next week. I'm also very unhappy if we are to go back for 2 weeks and be shut down again. That means I go back and have no xmas myself knowing that I will be unemployed again once xmas is over. Does anyone think that is fair? Like I want to go back to work but not if it's only for 2 weeks and back on the scrap heap ffs

stephenjmcd · 24-11-2020 06:37PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

It looks like restaurants and pubs wont be in the reopening next tuesday December 1st, retail barbers, gyms etc just.
Restaurants and gastro pubs from Monday December 14th would then make sense, hopefully it will only be pubs that genuinely had a Food trade always. Most Dublin pubs have a genuine food offering. All temple bar pubs do food likewise grafton street etc bar Mcdaids and grogans.

They'll give them 2 weekends trade before Xmas. Would be pretty sure they'll be open by Friday 11th

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 06:42PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Because like me he probably looked at the restrictions and didn't bother his bollocks because they're a joke.

But..............

miece16 wrote: »

I'll be doing it this xmas with friends.

There will still be restrictions this Christmas so............

weldoninhio · 24-11-2020 07:06PM

Trying to get this years Xmas party sorted. Nightmare. Some of the lads reckon we’ll get a pub open. I’m not too confident. Thankfully we’ve a few houses to choose from if it comes to that. I presume everyone else is doing the same.

PTH2009 · 24-11-2020 07:08PM

The rationale for the €9 meal must be lost with the written evidence of pubs causing a rise in numbers

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 07:08PM

I geniuinely think after last 4 days of positive progress the chances for an opening is much better, by sound of Eamonn Ryan on radio he liked today's numbers

MelbourneMan · 24-11-2020 07:10PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

What? I've said I want the pubs to be open on four different occasions on this thread in the last 24 hours.

Again, I want to pubs to be able to open. We were able to do it successfully before. Why can't we do it again?

Because unfortunately this isnt quite true. The situation is more complex, and the pub sector cannot, no more than any other one, be looked at in isolation.

We must evaluate the totality of the freedoms we can facilitate over the end of year holiday period, and determine which to prioritise, and which have a low risk to benefit ratio.

Small gatherings of close family members on Christmas day itself would be considered highly desirable to enable. Much as it is part and parcel of the traditional Irish yuletide tradition, get togethers in public houses would not be regarded to be of the same importance from the point of view of the overall benefit to the maximum number of people and of its nature and importance to those people.

In order to minimise the rate of spread of the virus that Christmas celebrations will inevitably bring, with consequences for the character and number of corrective actions and restrictions that will be required as a result in the first quarter of 2021, some settings for person to person contact must be restricted or curtailed entirely.

And pubs fall low on the level of priorities. This is not a reflection on the efforts of the pub sector, the many whose livelihoods depend on it, and recognises the important social role it plays in Irish society. But simply a consequence of the limited room for manoeuvre and options available to us as a country and the exigencies that face us at this time. Leaving minimal to no access to them during December as an overall least worst option for the country and its people.

ShyMets · 24-11-2020 07:12PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Because unfortunately this isnt quite true. The situation is more complex, and the pub sector cannot, no more than any other one, be looked at in isolation.

We must evaluate the totality of the freedoms we can facilitate over the end of year holiday period, and determine which to prioritise, and which have a low risk to benefit ratio.

Small gatherings of close family members on Christmas day itself would be considered highly desirable to enable. Much as it is part and parcel of the traditional Irish yuletide tradition, get togethers in public houses would not be regarded to be of the same importance from the point of view of the overall benefit to the maximum number of people and of its nature and importance to those people.

In order to minimise the rate of spread of the virus that Christmas celebrations will inevitably bring, with consequences for the character and number of corrective actions and restrictions that will be required as a result in the first quarter of 2021, some settings for person to person contact must be restricted or curtailed entirely.

And pubs fall low on the level of priorities. This is not a reflection on the efforts of the pub sector, the many whose livelihoods depend on it, and recognises the important social role it plays in Irish society. But simply a consequence of the limited room for manoeuvre and options available to us as a country and the exigencies that face us at this time. Leaving minimal to no access to them during December as an overall least worst option for the country and its people.

I've read your post a few times now and I'm still not sure what you're on about

Itssoeasy · 24-11-2020 07:14PM

My attitude to the reopening of pubs is if they open great, if they don’t then okay. I’ve stopped trying to predict what was going to happen. There’s no point worrying about it as it’s not something I have control over. I was however annoyed how the pubs and that sector as a whole were treated because it was a wait and see type of thing which lead to a lack of certainty.

weldoninhio · 24-11-2020 07:15PM

ShyMets wrote: »

I've read your post a few times now and I'm still not sure what you're on about

It’s Walter Mitty waffle to try and make it sound as if he has/is an insider from NPHET.

MOH · 24-11-2020 07:17PM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-the-plan-for-three-phases-of-restrictions-to-exit-lockdown-39785548.html

However, there are on going discussions about when this should happen and officials are also looking at new definitions for restaurants to ensure pubs are legitimately serving food.

Pubs may be required to have an operational kitchen to be allowed open under the new rules being considered.

“We want to clamp down on pubs opening because they have a chipper van out the back”, a Government source said.

An operational kitchen now, is it? But I thought any food was scaring away the virus, so a pub could do a deal with a nearby restaurant to source food from them. And surely that well thought out regulation requiring them to record what everyone was eating would ensure that everyone was having food with their drinks . Obviously now it's only food cooked on site that defeats Covid.

It's almost as if they're coming up with increasingly novel restrictions in order to make sure pubs stay closed no matter what, but we all know that's a ludicrous notion.

Meanwhile that sudden large dip in numbers in early November matching the length of the mid term break shortly beforehand is just a massive coincidence, because schoolkids are immune.

Actually, simple solution: why not just open up all the pub and station schoolkids inside each door, or possibly at every table, because it's been scientifically proven that covid can't spread while they're around. They can be given free Tayto and a mineral, everyone's a winner.

Open the Pubs · 24-11-2020 07:27PM

It's really unfair on "wet pubs" if we are back to discriminating against them because they don't have a kitchen or do food. We were told in the summer that this 9 euro meal stuff was a thing of the past as it was farcical.

Wet pubs in Dublin haven't been open for 252 days, and now they can't even get 2 weeks at Christmas? That is scandalous.

When are they suggesting these pubs open again? As all the noise is about more restrictions again in January

ShyMets · 24-11-2020 07:28PM

MOH wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-the-plan-for-three-phases-of-restrictions-to-exit-lockdown-39785548.html

An operational kitchen now, is it? But I thought any food was scaring away the virus, so a pub could do a deal with a nearby restaurant to source food from them. And surely that well thought out regulation requiring them to record what everyone was eating would ensure that everyone was having food with their drinks . Obviously now it's only food cooked on site that defeats Covid.

It's almost as if they're coming up with increasingly novel restrictions in order to make sure pubs stay closed no matter what, but we all know that's a ludicrous notion.

Meanwhile that sudden large dip in numbers in early November matching the length of the mid term break shortly beforehand is just a massive coincidence, because schoolkids are immune.

Actually, simple solution: why not just open up all the pub and station schoolkids inside each door, or possibly at every table, because it's been scientifically proven that covid can't spread while they're around. They can be given free Tayto and a mineral, everyone's a winner.

Let's hope common sense prevails. If they go down the operational kitchen route that will keep shut a lot of pubs that were previously able to open

Shanotheslayer · 24-11-2020 07:29PM

MOH wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-the-plan-for-three-phases-of-restrictions-to-exit-lockdown-39785548.html

An operational kitchen now, is it? But I thought any food was scaring away the virus, so a pub could do a deal with a nearby restaurant to source food from them. And surely that well thought out regulation requiring them to record what everyone was eating would ensure that everyone was having food with their drinks . Obviously now it's only food cooked on site that defeats Covid.

It's almost as if they're coming up with increasingly novel restrictions in order to make sure pubs stay closed no matter what, but we all know that's a ludicrous notion.

Meanwhile that sudden large dip in numbers in early November matching the length of the mid term break shortly beforehand is just a massive coincidence, because schoolkids are immune.

Actually, simple solution: why not just open up all the pub and station schoolkids inside each door, or possibly at every table, because it's been scientifically proven that covid can't spread while they're around. They can be given free Tayto and a mineral, everyone's a winner.

That's a whole lot of nonsense in one post.

24-11-2020 08:28PM

Was talking to a friend today who works in the pub trade and they were saying that they reckon they will be definitely open for the christmas weather its next week or the following week. Pub will be selling pizzas again but wont be putting anyone under pressure to buy one. They will have the same set up as last time. Book your table,wear masks entering/leaving the premises etc. Looking forward to a few festive pints now

stephenjmcd · 24-11-2020 08:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was talking to a friend today who works in the pub trade and they were saying that they reckon they will be definitely open for the christmas weather its next week or the following week. Pub will be selling pizzas again but wont be putting anyone under pressure to buy one. They will have the same set up as last time. Book your table,wear masks entering/leaving the premises etc. Looking forward to a few festive pints now

Well it looks like unless they've a kitchen they won't be open.

The whole takeaway loophole seems to be on the way out

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 08:32PM

Will early houses be open if they serve food? I work 4 nights on the trot and like a few guiness with my breakfast on the last morning of the run, it be nice to do it again before Christmas.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-11-2020 08:34PM

Women will be able to make an appointment to get their hair done and I can't make an appointment with Old Uncle Arthur

Very unfair

stephenjmcd · 24-11-2020 08:34PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Will early houses be open if they serve food? I work 4 nights on the trot and like a few guiness with my breakfast on the last morning of the run, it be nice to do it again before Christmas.

Can't see why not. There was a few in Dublin city centre doing it

24-11-2020 08:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well it looks like unless they've a kitchen they won't be open.

The whole takeaway loophole seems to be on the way out

They have a little kitchen out the back so they will be opening back up

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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