Will you take an approved COVID-19 vaccine?

braychelsea · 24-11-2020 2:43pm #1

Creating this thread because the poll on old thread is >6 months old and the main thread on vaccine progress/rollout is being diluted by arguments of people arguing over whether they would take the vaccine and anti-vaxxers.
@mods this okay?

lawrencesummers · 24-11-2020 2:44pm

JP Liz V1 · 24-11-2020 2:44pm

Yes

24-11-2020 2:45pm

Yep.

dashoonage · 24-11-2020 2:47pm

Atari Jaguar

Tommybojangles · 24-11-2020 2:48pm

Gimme!!!

Father Hernandez · 24-11-2020 2:55pm

With my age profile, I doubt I’ll be one of the first but if it means being able to get back to normal as soon as possible, absolutely I’ll be taking it once it’s deemed safe by those developing it.

I’d trust scientists with years of experience over the many folks on social media who feels it’s a conspiracy theory who constantly contradict themselves with their ramblings.

weisses · 24-11-2020 2:57pm

Yes .. definitely

Had enough of restrictions ... Need to be able to travel and see family

Bicyclette · 24-11-2020 3:01pm

Yes. Absolutely.

There always had to be a first group to be part of the wider distribution of any vaccine. I'm in my late 50s. I want to be able to enjoy the rest of my life while I can. The risk of getting it is far less than the risk of not getting it.

24-11-2020 3:02pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I’d trust scientists with years of experience over the many folks on social media who feels it’s a conspiracy theory who constantly contradict themselves with their ramblings.

I did laugh to myself walking behind two people the other day. One was trying to explain to the other that Covid isn't actually a real thing, it didn't exist.

Then in the next sentence, 5G was what actually causes Covid. With no explanation, Covid suddenly existed again, but could only be caused by 5G. Chap himself had his phone clutched in his hand the entire time, of course.

Felt bad for the fella stuck listening to it.

DeeperThinker · 24-11-2020 3:03pm

Yes...absolutely. There is no reason why not, at least not any based on hard factual science which should be what counts.

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 3:11pm

I will eventually, but not at first. I'm young and healthy, certainly not in the high risk bracket.

Let the at-risk take it first, make sure they're safe, and then the rest can take it.

Personally, i'll be waiting to see if there are any effects in others before I take it. I've taken many other vaccines but those were all different in that they had been around a long time. This, being brand new, I can wait.

hmmm · 24-11-2020 3:20pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

With my age profile, I doubt I’ll be one of the first but if it means being able to get back to normal as soon as possible, absolutely I’ll be taking it once it’s deemed safe by those developing it.

I’d trust scientists with years of experience over the many folks on social media who feels it’s a conspiracy theory who constantly contradict themselves with their ramblings.

x2

Eggs For Dinner · 24-11-2020 3:22pm

I'll crawl over any of ye to be first in the queue. Can't take much more of this, no matter what the side effects are

Jafin · 24-11-2020 3:26pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

I will eventually, but not at first. I'm young and healthy, certainly not in the high risk bracket.

Let the at-risk take it first, make sure they're safe, and then the rest can take it.

Personally, i'll be waiting to see if there are any effects in others before I take it. I've taken many other vaccines but those were all different in that they had been around a long time. This, being brand new, I can wait.

Same. I'm low risk as far as I'm aware, so I'm not in a rush to get the vaccine and I'd rather know if there are any known side effects before getting the vaccine.

nedkelly123 · 24-11-2020 3:27pm

Yes of course

look at all the diseases that we don't have to deal with anymore because of science

Polio,Tetanus,Hepatitis B,Hepatitis A,Rubella,Hib,Measles,Whooping Cough,Pneumococcal Disease,Rotavirus,Mumps,Chickenpox etc

of course I'm sure the Alumni from the Royal College of Facebook and YouTube will disagree.....

CalamariFritti · 24-11-2020 3:30pm

DeeperThinker wrote: »

Yes...absolutely. There is no reason why not, at least not any based on hard factual science which should be what counts.

I'm not sure to be honest. I'm not anti vaccine or anything. I got plenty of vaccines in my lifetime.

Why I'm not sure is because there doesn't seem to much of a risk to me from this virus. Why would I rush to have something injected into me when its not really necessary? I'm slow to take medication in general.

Now if I was asked to do it as a solidarity thing because public health warrants it, then I may have to rethink and maybe that will sway me. But right now I'm just not sure.

Tbh I don't think anyone here can vouch for the 'hard factual science' behind it. We can choose to believe this or the other and trust our health system and their advice but to actually assess 'hard factual science' or even whether what we're told is 'hard factual science' or not is really beyond anyone here I think.

B-D-P-- · 24-11-2020 3:46pm

Personally I dont feel the need being a healthy middle age male, buy my reason for not taking is because I am healthy and can fight off the virus. I think any vulnerable person saying no to it are easily lead.

simongurnick · 24-11-2020 3:49pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'm not sure to be honest. I'm not anti vaccine or anything. I got plenty of vaccines in my lifetime.

Why I'm not sure is because there doesn't seem to much of a risk to me from this virus. Why would I rush to have something injected into me when its not really necessary? I'm slow to take medication in general.

Now if I was asked to do it as a solidarity thing because public health warrants it, then I may have to rethink and maybe that will sway me. But right now I'm just not sure.

Tbh I don't think anyone here can vouch for the 'hard factual science' behind it. We can choose to believe this or the other and trust our health system and their advice but to actually assess 'hard factual science' or even whether what we're told is 'hard factual science' or not is really beyond anyone here I think.

Not going to start telling you what to do or anything, but I think people such as yourself, fall into the grouping of "it's worth taking the vaccine for the greater good". You, yourself, may be in a low risk demographic, but ultimately the more people that vaccinate, the more effective it is globally, so you would be helping the vulnerable in the community.

As for me, sign me up. I know it was quick to develop, but there has also never been the amount of money and resources thrown at developing a vaccine before and some groundwork had already been done with Sars and Mers.
Also think they will need to be very direct in how it is provided. I think all three involve two does a month apart. It would be a mess if people took the first dose, thought they were all good and continued to spread the virus.

mel123 · 24-11-2020 3:51pm

Yep, give it to me. I am so sick of this and then to top it off yesterday i saw Quantas wont let anyone fly who have not had it, q the rest of the airlines who will follow suit and i cant hack another year of not getting away.

Neamhshuntasach · 24-11-2020 3:53pm

Won't be taking it. And I don't care what airlines or governments say. I'm entitled to a holiday and I'll be visiting without any covid vaccine. Nobody is going to force me to put this untested junk in my body. I took enough to last me a life time when travelling around South America and I'm pretty sure the 10 year yellow fever one killed lots of my brain cells.

SB71 · 24-11-2020 3:56pm

Yes but not immediately

Deeper Blue · 24-11-2020 3:58pm

I'd take it today if offered.

It's the unselfish thing to do in my opinion.

Also I'd like to be able to travel again at some stage

begbysback · 24-11-2020 3:59pm

Vaccine for what?

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 3:59pm

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Won't be taking it. And I don't care what airlines or governments say. I'm entitled to a holiday and I'll be visiting without any covid vaccine.

Murph_D · 24-11-2020 3:59pm

Jafin wrote: »

Same. I'm low risk as far as I'm aware, so I'm not in a rush to get the vaccine and I'd rather know if there are any known side effects before getting the vaccine.

What are the side effects of catching the virus in the wild?

Deeper Blue · 24-11-2020 4:01pm

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Won't be taking it. And I don't care what airlines or governments say. I'm entitled to a holiday and I'll be visiting without any covid vaccine. Nobody is going to force me to put this untested junk in my body. I took enough to last me a life time when travelling around South America and I'm pretty sure the 10 year yellow fever one killed lots of my brain cells.

You're correct in saying nobody will force you but if you want to go to certain countries I don't think "I'm entitled to a holiday" is going to cut it with border control

aziz · 24-11-2020 4:01pm

I would be hesitant to take any vaccine but now, to quote Terry Pratchett, “ I would eat the arse off a dead badger” to get life back to normal

ironingbored · 24-11-2020 4:03pm

Murph_D wrote: »

What are the side effects of catching the virus in the wild?

Death?

Tig98 · 24-11-2020 4:03pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I’d trust scientists with years of experience over the many folks on social media who feels it’s a conspiracy theory who constantly contradict themselves with their ramblings.

Its not all anti-mask quacks who wont get the vaccine. Im actually doing a science undergraduate course and Im uncomfortable at the rate in which the vaccine has been rushed through. Instead of being conducted over a few years they're doing huge amounts of testing in a few months. No matter how much testing they do now, it wont be any good to determine long term side effects (enter Swine Flu vaccine and narcolepsy)

Hellrazer · 24-11-2020 4:06pm

Tig98 wrote: »

Its not all anti-mask quacks who wont get the vaccine. Im actually doing a science undergraduate course and Im uncomfortable at the rate in which the vaccine has been rushed through. Instead of being conducted over a few years they're doing huge amounts of testing in a few months. No matter how much testing they do now, it wont be any good to determine long term side effects (enter Swine Flu vaccine and narcolepsy)

Thats my feeling as well. These have been developed way too quickly for my liking.
I wont be taking it any time soon. No problem if other people want to be the "guinea pigs" though.

Lux23 · 24-11-2020 4:07pm

Yes, but reckon I will be at the back of the queue!

24-11-2020 4:07pm

Yes....im stressed off me bulb trying to keep my folks safe and dont want em to die

I can understand peoples reluctance to take it,

but find the notion of people who supported a herd ìmmunity approach,and now suddently fearful of a live vaccine....pure hypocrites

Jafin · 24-11-2020 4:08pm

Murph_D wrote: »

What are the side effects of catching the virus in the wild?

Uh...you get the virus? I was talking about side effects of the vaccine, not the virus. I'm not saying I'm going to be out in the pub living it up or jetsetting across the world without a vaccine. I'm going to continue being as careful as I can in the meantime until it gets to a stage where people like me are offered the vaccine, and then I will make the decision. I will very likely be at the bottom of the queue for a vaccine given my age and I am in good health with no underlying conditions.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anti-vaxxer or anything of that nature and I don't think I know better than scientists who have developed this, but things can have unforeseen side effects and everybody's body is unique and has the potential to react differently.

hmmm · 24-11-2020 4:08pm

Murph_D wrote: »

What are the side effects of catching the virus in the wild?

It's still a very new virus, and we really don't know what the side effects will be in 5/10/20 years. It now looks it might primarily be a vascular/blood vessel disease, and who knows what damage is done even in "mild" Covid.

CalamariFritti · 24-11-2020 4:09pm

Murph_D wrote: »

What are the side effects of catching the virus in the wild?

Well most likely you'll be perfectly fine.

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 4:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes....im stressed off me bulb trying to keep my folks safe and dont want em to die

While I get what you're saying, wouldn't it make more sense for your folks to take it?

My mother is at risk and wants to take it when it comes out. Once she does that, I won't take it. My main worry is that she catches it. After she's vaccinated, I won't be so worried.

hmmm · 24-11-2020 4:12pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

My mother is at risk and wants to take it when it comes out. Once she does that, I won't take it. My main worry is that she catches it. After she's vaccinated, I won't be so worried.

Vaccines are not perfect, although thankfully the vaccines are showing really high effectiveness. Some of the people in the vaccine group on the trial did get the disease. If your mother is in an at-risk group you should seriously consider getting a vaccination.

CalamariFritti · 24-11-2020 4:13pm

simongurnick wrote: »

Not going to start telling you what to do or anything, but I think people such as yourself, fall into the grouping of "it's worth taking the vaccine for the greater good". You, yourself, may be in a low risk demographic, but ultimately the more people that vaccinate, the more effective it is globally, so you would be helping the vulnerable in the community.

As for me, sign me up. I know it was quick to develop, but there has also never been the amount of money and resources thrown at developing a vaccine before and some groundwork had already been done with Sars and Mers.
Also think they will need to be very direct in how it is provided. I think all three involve two does a month apart. It would be a mess if people took the first dose, thought they were all good and continued to spread the virus.

Yes I'm aware of the greater good thing. And like I said that may sway me. For now the plan seems to be to vaccinate the risk groups first and that may all we need to do.

A lot depends also on what vaccine I'm being asked to take I guess. Conventional dead virus vaccine or the new RNA DNA stuff. The latter I wouldnt be rushing into. The former I'd be more likely to be an early taker.

Edit: Just answered the poll with 'yes'. Its not an unconditional yes maybe even a hesitant yes but definitely not a principled no.

Seweryn · 24-11-2020 4:13pm

DeeperThinker wrote: »

Yes...absolutely. There is no reason why not, at least not any based on hard factual science which should be what counts.

What hard actual science are you referring to? If there is an independent long term test completed and published, please post a link so we can also educate ourselves.

The Belly · 24-11-2020 4:14pm

Up until November 2020, no mRNA vaccine, drug, or technology platform, had ever been approved for use in humans, and before 2020, mRNA was only considered a theoretical or experimental candidate for human use.

Normally a vaccine takes 10 years and costs about half a billion to be proven safe before rolled out this has been done in less then a year. It does make you wonder just how safe it will be in the long term.

Tenzor07 · 24-11-2020 4:16pm

Tig98 wrote: »

Its not all anti-mask quacks who wont get the vaccine. Im actually doing a science undergraduate course and Im uncomfortable at the rate in which the vaccine has been rushed through. Instead of being conducted over a few years they're doing huge amounts of testing in a few months. No matter how much testing they do now, it wont be any good to determine long term side effects (enter Swine Flu vaccine and narcolepsy)

It's going to be rolled out en-masse at such speed that if there's any immediate adverse effects then we should see deaths occurring...If there's no immediate number of deaths then do we take it the vaccine is either safe for all to take or the side effects are more long term?

Personally I don't want the Vaccine, I'd rather wear a mask/social distance/carry sanitizer with me for as long as required.
Apart from vaccinations as a child I've never taken the flu vaccine either.

Psychedelic Hedgehog · 24-11-2020 4:16pm

Yes, I'll be taking it. I'm not a selfish so-and-so.

24-11-2020 4:17pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

While I get what you're saying, wouldn't it make more sense for your folks to take it?

My mother is at risk and wants to take it when it comes out. Once she does that, I won't take it. My main worry is that she catches it. After she's vaccinated, I won't be so worried.

My folks are relatively poor health and help on elderly relatives farm aswell

Like,i have no doubt,id be way down list of getting it (reasonably healthy,despite having a quiet poor chest/lungs anyway)

I just want to go back to normal,literally have some of physical signs of stress by now aswell,havnt seen most my mates in over a year (just cant warm to zoom/phonecalls)

most of all,i really want to attend hurling matches again

TheChizler · 24-11-2020 4:17pm

Used to think I'd prefer to not be one of the first, but realistically if someone offered it I wouldn't say no. I think the fear of risks of vaccines is out of proportion in our minds, we take way bigger risks just leaving the house.

breezy1985 · 24-11-2020 4:18pm

ironingbored wrote: »

Death?

Or cake

Hellrazer · 24-11-2020 4:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

but find the notion of people who supported a herd ìmmunity approach,and now suddently fearful of a live vaccine....pure hypocrites

I dont think they can really be compared - A "live" vaccine is only in one of the 3 - The Oxford one. The other 2 are "engineered" with mrna..not live viruses.

Who knows what these engineered vaccines could do to someone further down the line?

The Oxford one would probably be the most "safe" so to speak as its more of a traditional vaccine.

hmmm · 24-11-2020 4:19pm

The Belly wrote: »

Normally a vaccine takes 10 years and costs about half a billion to be proven safe before rolled out this has been done in less then a year. It does make you wonder just how safe it will be in the long term.

Most of that 10 years was delays between phases, regulatory approvals and getting manufacturing agreements and production lines in place.

There has been no change in the safety trials. What has changed is that manufacturing has been stood up (at the cost of billions) in parallel, and regulators are reviewing the data as the trial is ongoing.

The Oxford vaccine has been in development since SARS1 which was 17 years ago.

What's also different is that the phase 3 trials are huge & very expensive - 30,000 people for Pfizer & Moderna, 60,000 for J&J.

Deeper Blue · 24-11-2020 4:20pm

Tig98 wrote: »

Its not all anti-mask quacks who wont get the vaccine. Im actually doing a science undergraduate course and Im uncomfortable at the rate in which the vaccine has been rushed through. Instead of being conducted over a few years they're doing huge amounts of testing in a few months. No matter how much testing they do now, it wont be any good to determine long term side effects (enter Swine Flu vaccine and narcolepsy)

It's not been rushed

wildwillow · 24-11-2020 4:28pm

I would be happier with the dead virus vaccine Cambridge are developing, but it has a lower effectiveness than the new type which uses gene therapy.

breezy1985 · 24-11-2020 4:29pm

wildwillow wrote: »

I would be happier with the dead virus vaccine Cambridge are developing, but it has a lower effectiveness than the new type which uses gene therapy.

Oxford? Or is there a Cambridge one coming too

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