Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

1…226227229231232…325

Comments

  • #6842
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    hmmm wrote: »
    It was in the Lancet - https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30584-3.pdf


    I see it's from July though

    We need a newer study to see where it is now

    Plus, they based this study on only 286 people or am I reading that right?


  • #6843
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Water John wrote: »
    There must be a number of countries anti vaccers cannot visit as they won't have certs of their shots.
    See Quantas are first to say you must have had Covid vaccination. Would love to revisit NZ in a year or two.


    I can see Australia, New Zealand and many countries in Asia saying "no vaccination, no entry", which is fine with me

    The result will be less idiot travelers in all of them


  • #6844
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Water John wrote: »
    There must be a number of countries anti vaccers cannot visit as they won't have certs of their shots.
    See Quantas are first to say you must have had Covid vaccination. Would love to revisit NZ in a year or two.

    I’m hoping to do Australia in 2022 as well. I need to see plans for rollout and a plan to fully reopen but once that’s good I have no problem getting the vaccine


  • #6845
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    I can see Australia, New Zealand and many countries in Asia saying "no vaccination, no entry", which is fine with me

    The result will be less idiot travelers in all of them

    I wouldn’t be surprised, given the scenes in Italy, Spain, France, and Belgium, the EU didn’t do similar tbh. The institutional memory of those scenes will be strong.


  • #6846
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There will be a general celebration over the next two years. This will kick off a great restart to the tourism and hospitality industry.


  • Advertisement
  • #6847
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    0.0092 IFR, 20 - 49 age group

    I have a greater chance of dieing in a car crash this year?

    So if 1 million adults, 20 - 49 get Covid

    92 will die

    Where is the outrage?

    Why do we have restaurants and businesses closed?

    This is crazy if true


    Keep in mind that purpose of supressing the virus is also minimise hospitalisations and severe illness, even if no one ever eventually died from it.

    1-3% under 65 end up in hospital with this 1% in young, extrapolate that among a more significant proportion of the population than the 60,000 cases under 65 so far and its wouldnt be long clogging up a health system that has already had to leave other care to one side.


  • #6848
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Hardyn wrote: »
    Thalidomide was 60 years ago. Our knowledge and safety regulations have improved quite a bit since then.

    Got me thinking when did they discover chiral molecules, it seems Louis Pasteur was the main guy back in 1848.

    Way off topic I know, but I just followed down the thalidomide rabbithole.


  • #6849
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Water John wrote: »
    There must be a number of countries anti vaccers cannot visit as they won't have certs of their shots.
    See Quantas are first to say you must have had Covid vaccination. Would love to revisit NZ in a year or two.

    Anti vaccers aside.

    How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
    Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
    Potential side effects and chances?
    Efficacy?

    My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.


  • #6850
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Anti vaccers aside.

    How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
    Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
    Potential side effects and chances?
    Efficacy?

    My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they it was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.


    giphy.gif



    Post of the week



    And it's only Monday


  • #6851
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Russman wrote: »
    I wouldn’t be surprised, given the scenes in Italy, Spain, France, and Belgium, the EU didn’t do similar tbh. The institutional memory of those scenes will be strong.


    Not a chance will we get "no vaccine, no entry" rules in any EU countries

    Anyone who does will be cut off from all that easy, interest-free money from Brussels


  • Advertisement
  • #6852
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Immunity last one year right, but weakens as time goes on. When the new strain comes out you have to get a new vaccine.

    I time getting the flu vaccine when I get my free flu voucher off work ��

    It does, but are we talking weeks, months or years?


  • #6853
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Anti vaccers aside.

    How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
    Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
    Potential side effects and chances?
    Efficacy?

    My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

    You can actually get an illness that will kill you out there


  • #6854
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Anti vaccers aside.

    How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
    Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
    Potential side effects and chances?
    Efficacy?

    My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

    I have taken a number of vaccines in order to travel and each time I did I researched the vaccine in advance. But rant away if it keeps you happy. It's obvious that you don't really see any difference between vaccine hesitant and anti-vaxx.


  • #6855
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    You can actually get an illness that will kill you out there

    ... vs an illness you could pass on that could kill somebody else. F. them right.


    Most of them won't, maybe rabies.


  • #6856
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    You can actually get an illness that will kill you out there

    Of course but do you think they read up on that risk or was it just a case they were advised they should/ or have to get them so they did.

    You think they the same conflict was going on in their heads as it is now? If they treated with the same level of hesitancy they wouldnt book a flight in the first place.

    I cant wait for my next travel vacine, so i can go to the pub.


  • #6857
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    polesheep wrote: »
    I have taken a number of vaccines in order to travel and each time I did I researched the vaccine in advance. But rant away if it keeps you happy. It's obvious that you don't really see any difference between vaccine hesitant and anti-vaxx.

    Fair play, but do you think you are the exception or the norm in that regard?

    How is it obvious that i cant see the difference between a hesitate and an anti vaxxer? Theres a huge difference, one of them at least you can have a constructive discussion. I am just pointing out that the logic that has them hesitant in that regard might not have been applied in circumstances before.


  • #6858
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    ... vs an illness you could pass on that could kill somebody else. F. them right.


    Most of them won't, maybe rabies.

    Will you stop, do you smoke?

    Rubbish, yellow fever and more are absolutely lethal without a vaccine, make Covid look like a common cold

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever


  • #6859
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Will you stop, do you smoke?

    Rubbish, yellow fever and more are absolutely lethal without a vaccine, make Covid look like a common cold

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever

    So overall case fatility rate of 3%-7.5% will kill you now is it?


  • #6860
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Will you stop, do you smoke?

    Rubbish, yellow fever and more are absolutely lethal without a vaccine, make Covid look like a common cold

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever

    Just to be clear i for one was not dismissing the dangerousness on any tropical illness. Not exactly the point i was trying to make.


  • #6861
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Of course but do you think they read up on that risk or was it just a case they were advised they should/ or have to get them so they did.

    You think they the same conflict was going on in their heads as it is now? If they treated with the same level of hesitancy they wouldnt book a flight in the first place.

    I cant wait for my next travel vacine, so i can go to the pub.

    What's out there can be lethal, yellow fever, rabies without a vaccine, no thanks

    All those mosquito diseases like dengue fever, malaria, JE etc

    Covid is not killing many backpackers going to Thailand, that's for sure

    More chance them dieing of eating wild berries on a trail

    Don't be insulting peoples intelligence, seriously it was a silly comparison to travel vaccines, warnings are clear from those countries

    If you said those eejits snorting coke, taking ecstasy at weekends, fair enough


  • Advertisement
  • #6862
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Thierry12 wrote: »

    More chance them dieing of eating wild berries on a trail


    Ok Boards, I think that's enough of you for today

    This thread used to be a sane beacon amongst all the shíte elsewhere

    Some absolute loons on it today though


  • #6863
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    So overall case fatility rate of 3%-7.5% will kill you now is it?

    Its a horrible disease

    Watch a few documentaries on it, really awful without a vaccine

    Also btw dont use Wiki for your info, usually its rubbish

    Many other alternative sources


  • #6864
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Fair play, but do you think you are the exception or the norm in that regard?

    How is it obvious that i cant see the difference between a hesitate and an anti vaxxer? Theres a huge difference, one of them at least you can have a constructive discussion. I am just pointing out that the logic that has them hesitant in that regard might not have been applied in circumstances before.

    I felt you made an unjustified assumption about me and others like me.

    I strongly believe that the way Covid 19 vaccine hesitancy is being lumped in with anti-vaxx could drive some people in the wrong direction. I also find the actions of Qantas to be divisive and, frankly, foolish. Why alienate people before the vaccine has even arrived. The fact is, by the time the vaccine becomes available to someone like me who is hesitant but not vulnerable, it will already have been given to millions of people over many months, so its safety will almost certainly have been proven to me and I'll happily put my arm out. Threatening people with sanctions if they don't get the vaccine is not the way to get it done. If anything, it could be very counter productive.


  • #6865
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Ok Boards, I think that's enough of you for today

    This thread used to be a sane beacon amongst all the shíte elsewhere

    Some absolute loons on it today though

    Heh

    You the one that posted that 0.0092% IFR for Covid on 20-49 year olds study

    Your figures and the berries are not far off ;-)


  • #6866
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    I thought this was a joke originally, but it's from Reuters. The half-dose, full-dose regime was originally a dosing error made during the UK arm of the trial.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-dosing/dosing-error-turns-into-lucky-punch-for-astrazeneca-and-oxford-idUSKBN28327Q

    "“The reason we had the half-dose is serendipity,” Mene Pangalos, the head of AstraZeneca’s non-oncology research and development, told Reuters."


  • #6867
    JacksonHeightsOwn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭JacksonHeightsOwn


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Anti vaccers aside.

    How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
    Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
    Potential side effects and chances?
    Efficacy?

    My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

    Super post, I went to Thailand about 15 years ago and had to get a fair few vaccinations. Not bloody once did I ever think twice about their safety data, efficiency rating etc......

    Now you hear all these scaremongering eejits going on like they've spent the last 20 years studying infectious disease and immunology.


  • #6868
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Russman wrote: »
    I wouldn’t be surprised, given the scenes in Italy, Spain, France, and Belgium, the EU didn’t do similar tbh. The institutional memory of those scenes will be strong.


    Once vulnerable and older people are vaccinated- hospitals won't get slammed, once hospitals aren't slammed no real need for restrictions, I can see a vaccine rule being a temporary thing and then relaxing on it a bit.


    All depends on how it spins out over the next years..


  • #6869
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    Super post, I went to Thailand about 15 years ago and had to get a fair few vaccinations. Not bloody once did I ever think twice about their safety data, efficiency rating etc......

    Now you hear all these scaremongering eejits going on like they've spent the last 20 years studying infectious disease and immunology.

    The important question

    How are you now and what else did you take there?


  • #6870
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    Super post, I went to Thailand about 15 years ago and had to get a fair few vaccinations. Not bloody once did I ever think twice about their safety data, efficiency rating etc......

    Now you hear all these scaremongering eejits going on like they've spent the last 20 years studying infectious disease and immunology.

    And you're calling people eejits?


  • Advertisement
  • #6871
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Vaccine certification isn't about protecting the person from Covid, it's about protecting others from infection by you.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement