COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Water John wrote: »

There must be a number of countries anti vaccers cannot visit as they won't have certs of their shots.
See Quantas are first to say you must have had Covid vaccination. Would love to revisit NZ in a year or two.

I can see Australia, New Zealand and many countries in Asia saying "no vaccination, no entry", which is fine with me

The result will be less idiot travelers in all of them

Gael23

Water John wrote: »

There must be a number of countries anti vaccers cannot visit as they won't have certs of their shots.
See Quantas are first to say you must have had Covid vaccination. Would love to revisit NZ in a year or two.

I’m hoping to do Australia in 2022 as well. I need to see plans for rollout and a plan to fully reopen but once that’s good I have no problem getting the vaccine

Russman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I can see Australia, New Zealand and many countries in Asia saying "no vaccination, no entry", which is fine with me

The result will be less idiot travelers in all of them

I wouldn’t be surprised, given the scenes in Italy, Spain, France, and Belgium, the EU didn’t do similar tbh. The institutional memory of those scenes will be strong.

Water John

There will be a general celebration over the next two years. This will kick off a great restart to the tourism and hospitality industry.

Thierry12 wrote: »

0.0092 IFR, 20 - 49 age group

I have a greater chance of dieing in a car crash this year?

So if 1 million adults, 20 - 49 get Covid

92 will die

Where is the outrage?

Why do we have restaurants and businesses closed?

This is crazy if true

Keep in mind that purpose of supressing the virus is also minimise hospitalisations and severe illness, even if no one ever eventually died from it.

1-3% under 65 end up in hospital with this 1% in young, extrapolate that among a more significant proportion of the population than the 60,000 cases under 65 so far and its wouldnt be long clogging up a health system that has already had to leave other care to one side.

Hardyn wrote: »

Thalidomide was 60 years ago. Our knowledge and safety regulations have improved quite a bit since then.

Got me thinking when did they discover chiral molecules, it seems Louis Pasteur was the main guy back in 1848.

Way off topic I know, but I just followed down the thalidomide rabbithole.

Water John wrote: »

There must be a number of countries anti vaccers cannot visit as they won't have certs of their shots.
See Quantas are first to say you must have had Covid vaccination. Would love to revisit NZ in a year or two.

Anti vaccers aside.

How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
Potential side effects and chances?
Efficacy?

My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

lbj666 wrote: »

Anti vaccers aside.

How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
Potential side effects and chances?
Efficacy?

My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they it was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

Post of the week

And it's only Monday

Russman wrote: »

I wouldn’t be surprised, given the scenes in Italy, Spain, France, and Belgium, the EU didn’t do similar tbh. The institutional memory of those scenes will be strong.

Not a chance will we get "no vaccine, no entry" rules in any EU countries

Anyone who does will be cut off from all that easy, interest-free money from Brussels

tom1ie wrote: »

Immunity last one year right, but weakens as time goes on. When the new strain comes out you have to get a new vaccine.

I time getting the flu vaccine when I get my free flu voucher off work ��

It does, but are we talking weeks, months or years?

lbj666 wrote: »

Anti vaccers aside.

How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
Potential side effects and chances?
Efficacy?

My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

You can actually get an illness that will kill you out there

polesheep

lbj666 wrote: »

Anti vaccers aside.

How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
Potential side effects and chances?
Efficacy?

My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

I have taken a number of vaccines in order to travel and each time I did I researched the vaccine in advance. But rant away if it keeps you happy. It's obvious that you don't really see any difference between vaccine hesitant and anti-vaxx.

Thierry12 wrote: »

You can actually get an illness that will kill you out there

... vs an illness you could pass on that could kill somebody else. F. them right.

Most of them won't, maybe rabies.

Thierry12 wrote: »

You can actually get an illness that will kill you out there

Of course but do you think they read up on that risk or was it just a case they were advised they should/ or have to get them so they did.

You think they the same conflict was going on in their heads as it is now? If they treated with the same level of hesitancy they wouldnt book a flight in the first place.

I cant wait for my next travel vacine, so i can go to the pub.

polesheep wrote: »

I have taken a number of vaccines in order to travel and each time I did I researched the vaccine in advance. But rant away if it keeps you happy. It's obvious that you don't really see any difference between vaccine hesitant and anti-vaxx.

Fair play, but do you think you are the exception or the norm in that regard?

How is it obvious that i cant see the difference between a hesitate and an anti vaxxer? Theres a huge difference, one of them at least you can have a constructive discussion. I am just pointing out that the logic that has them hesitant in that regard might not have been applied in circumstances before.

timsey tiger wrote: »

... vs an illness you could pass on that could kill somebody else. F. them right.

Most of them won't, maybe rabies.

Will you stop, do you smoke?

Rubbish, yellow fever and more are absolutely lethal without a vaccine, make Covid look like a common cold

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever

Thierry12 wrote: »

Will you stop, do you smoke?

Rubbish, yellow fever and more are absolutely lethal without a vaccine, make Covid look like a common cold

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever

So overall case fatility rate of 3%-7.5% will kill you now is it?

Thierry12 wrote: »

Will you stop, do you smoke?

Rubbish, yellow fever and more are absolutely lethal without a vaccine, make Covid look like a common cold

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever

Just to be clear i for one was not dismissing the dangerousness on any tropical illness. Not exactly the point i was trying to make.

lbj666 wrote: »

Of course but do you think they read up on that risk or was it just a case they were advised they should/ or have to get them so they did.

You think they the same conflict was going on in their heads as it is now? If they treated with the same level of hesitancy they wouldnt book a flight in the first place.

I cant wait for my next travel vacine, so i can go to the pub.

What's out there can be lethal, yellow fever, rabies without a vaccine, no thanks

All those mosquito diseases like dengue fever, malaria, JE etc

Covid is not killing many backpackers going to Thailand, that's for sure

More chance them dieing of eating wild berries on a trail

Don't be insulting peoples intelligence, seriously it was a silly comparison to travel vaccines, warnings are clear from those countries

If you said those eejits snorting coke, taking ecstasy at weekends, fair enough

Thierry12 wrote: »

More chance them dieing of eating wild berries on a trail

Ok Boards, I think that's enough of you for today

This thread used to be a sane beacon amongst all the shíte elsewhere

Some absolute loons on it today though

timsey tiger wrote: »

So overall case fatility rate of 3%-7.5% will kill you now is it?

Its a horrible disease

Watch a few documentaries on it, really awful without a vaccine

Also btw dont use Wiki for your info, usually its rubbish

Many other alternative sources

polesheep

lbj666 wrote: »

Fair play, but do you think you are the exception or the norm in that regard?

How is it obvious that i cant see the difference between a hesitate and an anti vaxxer? Theres a huge difference, one of them at least you can have a constructive discussion. I am just pointing out that the logic that has them hesitant in that regard might not have been applied in circumstances before.

I felt you made an unjustified assumption about me and others like me.

I strongly believe that the way Covid 19 vaccine hesitancy is being lumped in with anti-vaxx could drive some people in the wrong direction. I also find the actions of Qantas to be divisive and, frankly, foolish. Why alienate people before the vaccine has even arrived. The fact is, by the time the vaccine becomes available to someone like me who is hesitant but not vulnerable, it will already have been given to millions of people over many months, so its safety will almost certainly have been proven to me and I'll happily put my arm out. Threatening people with sanctions if they don't get the vaccine is not the way to get it done. If anything, it could be very counter productive.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Ok Boards, I think that's enough of you for today

This thread used to be a sane beacon amongst all the shíte elsewhere

Some absolute loons on it today though

Heh

You the one that posted that 0.0092% IFR for Covid on 20-49 year olds study

Your figures and the berries are not far off ;-)

hmmm

I thought this was a joke originally, but it's from Reuters. The half-dose, full-dose regime was originally a dosing error made during the UK arm of the trial.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-dosing/dosing-error-turns-into-lucky-punch-for-astrazeneca-and-oxford-idUSKBN28327Q

"“The reason we had the half-dose is serendipity,” Mene Pangalos, the head of AstraZeneca’s non-oncology research and development, told Reuters."

JacksonHeightsOwn

lbj666 wrote: »

Anti vaccers aside.

How many among the vaccine hesitant, never thought twice about getting travel vacines to far away lands.
Did they check how long the jab has been around for, how long it took to develop?
Potential side effects and chances?
Efficacy?

My hole they did, flights were already booked sure they was 3 weeks before they were off they needed them straight away. Oh ya and they forked out a few hundred quid to do so.

Super post, I went to Thailand about 15 years ago and had to get a fair few vaccinations. Not bloody once did I ever think twice about their safety data, efficiency rating etc......

Now you hear all these scaremongering eejits going on like they've spent the last 20 years studying infectious disease and immunology.

TomSweeney

Russman wrote: »

I wouldn’t be surprised, given the scenes in Italy, Spain, France, and Belgium, the EU didn’t do similar tbh. The institutional memory of those scenes will be strong.

Once vulnerable and older people are vaccinated- hospitals won't get slammed, once hospitals aren't slammed no real need for restrictions, I can see a vaccine rule being a temporary thing and then relaxing on it a bit.

All depends on how it spins out over the next years..

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Super post, I went to Thailand about 15 years ago and had to get a fair few vaccinations. Not bloody once did I ever think twice about their safety data, efficiency rating etc......

Now you hear all these scaremongering eejits going on like they've spent the last 20 years studying infectious disease and immunology.

The important question

How are you now and what else did you take there?

polesheep

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Super post, I went to Thailand about 15 years ago and had to get a fair few vaccinations. Not bloody once did I ever think twice about their safety data, efficiency rating etc......

Now you hear all these scaremongering eejits going on like they've spent the last 20 years studying infectious disease and immunology.

And you're calling people eejits?

Water John

Vaccine certification isn't about protecting the person from Covid, it's about protecting others from infection by you.