Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Blondini · 23-11-2020 08:53PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

We are at our highest level of lockdown for a month and they're still over 200 a day... Are you ecstatic? Remember when you said level 3 was sufficient... Then it ballooned to over 1000 cases?

We aren't over the hill yet, have a bit of a cop on and don't be so childish looking for a reaction.

I just don't get the party atmosphere when we still have a few hundred cases a day, people are still dying, and hospital numbers are still up.

Saying it's childish is an insult to children tbh.

Ghoulish.

23-11-2020 09:53PM

We have had the most successful school reopening in all of Europe for sure. The remarkable job done by all involved is to be celebrated. But as always in this country we seek out the worst in every situation rather than anyone actually acknowledging something going better than expected. Ireland has managed the autumn surge remarkably well and I will not apologise for saying it.

As with anything, it has not been perfect, but it has been managed to such a degree that the vast majority of kids get to go to school everyday, the hospitals have been stretched but are managing, and the fatalities are at a fraction of those in spring and of those being experienced in our neighbouring countries.

Messi19 · 23-11-2020 10:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We have had the most successful school reopening in all of Europe for sure.

Do tell us how

23-11-2020 10:11PM

Messi19 wrote: »

Do tell us how

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

We have almost the lowest rate of the virus in all of Europe and our schools remain open. We did not like many of our neighbours take massively extended mid terms or switch to online. By any measure Ireland is doing well

Messi19 · 23-11-2020 10:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

We have almost the lowest rate of the virus in all of Europe and our schools remain open. We did not like many of our neighbours take massively extended mid terms or switch to online. By any measure Ireland is doing well

We shut down the rest of the country instead. How are our schools different to the rest of Europe? We've got overcrowded classrooms in the vast majority of schools, likely one of the higher in Europe. In terms of cases from schools, you won't find the virus if you don't test for it, but sure we should know all this by now

khalessi · 23-11-2020 10:29PM

Messi19 wrote: »

We shut down the rest of the country instead. How are our schools different to the rest of Europe? We've got overcrowded classrooms in the vast majority of schools, likely one of the higher in Europe. In terms of cases from schools, you won't find the virus if you don't test for it, but sure we should know all this by now

Sure even the CDC are now saying having schools open is risky

23-11-2020 10:34PM

Messi19 wrote: »

We shut down the rest of the country instead. How are our schools different to the rest of Europe? We've got overcrowded classrooms in the vast majority of schools, likely one of the higher in Europe. In terms of cases from schools, you won't find the virus if you don't test for it, but sure we should know all this by now

Czech Republic at 4,500 cases a day over a month after closing schools along with similar if not stricter than level 5 restrictions in general.

The boards “fact” that kids aren’t being tested is up there with Rudy Giuliani levels of delusion in the face of overwhelming evidence that doesn’t meet your viewpoint. There is no evidence that kids are not being tested. In fact patterns of infection in all age groups who have reason to be out in the world are remarkably similar

23-11-2020 10:44PM

khalessi wrote: »

Sure even the CDC are now saying having schools open is risky

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/index.html

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/11/cdc-director-robert-redfield-said-they-do-not-recommend-closing-schools-days-after-reports-of-cdc-removing-guidance-pushing-for-reopenings.html

They removed guidance stressing the importance of in person schooling. They have not recommended closures

Messi19 · 23-11-2020 10:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Czech Republic at 4,500 cases a day over a month after closing schools along with similar if not stricter than level 5 restrictions in general.

The boards “fact” that kids aren’t being tested is up there with Rudy Giuliani levels of delusion in the face of overwhelming evidence that doesn’t meet your viewpoint. There is no evidence that kids are not being tested. In fact patterns of infection in all age groups who have reason to be out in the world are remarkably similar

I'll just refer you to the definition of a close contact in a school setting
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40074659.html

There's plenty of teachers here who'll happily tell you about their own experiences with covid in their workplace and who's considered as close contacts

Why should the definition of a close contact in a classroom be any different from everywhere else?

Thats me · 23-11-2020 10:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We have almost the lowest rate of the virus in all of Europe and our schools remain open. We did not like many of our neighbours take massively extended mid terms or switch to online. By any measure Ireland is doing well

Relatively almost well.

Doing well would be to isolate island, make few rounds of total checks physically separating established cases into quarantine (some efforts to do something like this seem was done during 1st wave), establish strict control/quarantine on everything entering the country.

wirelessdude01 · 23-11-2020 10:47PM

Messi19 wrote: »

I'll just refer you to the definition of a close contact in a school setting
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40074659.html

There's plenty of teachers here who'll happily tell you about their own experiences with covid in their workplace and who's considered as close contacts

Why should the definition of a close contact in a classroom be any different from everywhere else?

We just don't bother anymore. Everyone else knows better.

Blondini · 23-11-2020 10:55PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We just don't bother anymore. Everyone else knows better.

Yeah, don't waste your energy.

23-11-2020 10:58PM

Messi19 wrote: »

I'll just refer you to the definition of a close contact in a school setting
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40074659.html

There's plenty of teachers here who'll happily tell you about their own experiences with covid in their workplace and who's considered as close contacts

Why should the definition of a close contact in a classroom be any different from everywhere else?

Oh Christ, I give up at this stage. This thread is hopeless in the face of facts. Less children identified as contacts in schools test positive when identified as close contacts than elsewhere. Under a more restricted contact definition those identified will be higher risk, therefore more likely to be positive than those missed. You they actually test positive at a lower rate than society as a whole. Additionally most cases are identified through referral from gp’s and not contact tracing anyway. There is no evidence children are asymptomatic more often than adults, and there is no evidence for increased transmission among kids.

The echo chamber does not accept facts however. Who needs facts when Mary on Facebook knows everything and the alternative facts you invent cannot be penetrated by logic.

In the real world we will celebrate the fact that we now have 3 viable vaccines soon to be on the market having maintained children’s education in the face of adversity with far less disruption that anyone could have though possible

23-11-2020 11:06PM

Blondini wrote: »

Yeah, don't waste your energy.

Fierce echo in here, must be all the hollow arguments

Blondini · 23-11-2020 11:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Fierce echo in here, must be all the hollow arguments

Nah...

23-11-2020 11:22PM

Blondini wrote: »

Delusional and smug post. Par for the course.

The inexplicable and concerning obsession with schools continues from some quarters.

Just plain odd tbh.

Anyone can read data, talk to work colleagues and other parents and form a view on what is happening in schools with respect to Covid. The continual attempts to ride roughshod over those who point out the glaring flaws in the schools are causing the autumn increase narrative is in fact what is odd.

Make your argument rather than implore the echo chamber to ignore the heretics. It’s almost as bad on this thread as with the Covid deniers on the restrictions thread

CruelSummer · 23-11-2020 11:40PM

khalessi wrote: »

Sure even the CDC are now saying having schools open is risky

In the US, private schooling continues and the wealthy get their Education. Public schools who school many of the less well off remain closed in many states where some of these poor children will never recover from their missed time.

Thats me · 23-11-2020 11:49PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

In the US, private schooling continues and the wealthy get their Education. Public schools who school many of the less well off remain closed in many states where some of these poor children will never recover from their missed time.

And what will happen?

CruelSummer · 24-11-2020 12:11AM

Thats me wrote: »

And what will happen?

The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

mvl · 24-11-2020 12:37AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

In the US, private schooling continues and the wealthy get their Education. Public schools who school many of the less well off remain closed in many states where some of these poor children will never recover from their missed time.

Thought this is rather political positioning ...
Interestingly enough, this article seems to describe differently social realities in America - e.g. "fears that in-person classes will increase the risks of coronavirus exposure to students and staff — and, by extension, to their families — are only growing, especially in lower-income and more racially diverse communities disproportionately affected by the pandemic."

CruelSummer · 24-11-2020 12:42AM

mvl wrote: »

Thought this is rather political positioning ...
Interestingly enough, this article seems to describe differently social realities in America - e.g. "fears that in-person classes will increase the risks of coronavirus exposure to students and staff — and, by extension, to their families — are only growing, especially in lower-income and more racially diverse communities disproportionately affected by the pandemic."

It’s awful. Firstly the schools in poorer areas are so poorly funded. Secondly the neighbourhoods they serve have children crying out for the safety of school & a way out of their living hell. It’s so wrong private schooling is continuing at pace while public in many states is halted. Should be the same for all.

Mrsmum · 24-11-2020 09:24AM

I said before here about a friend of mine who is a teacher in Pennsylvania. They did a poll of parents during the summer to see what was the preferred option, remote learning, full time at school or hybrid. Of course some wanted this, some wanted that and some bit of both. They went with remote learning for the first term. My friend said she and all the teachers were doing private tutoring also. Even her university kid was doing it too as the demand was high. But anyway long story short, they went back to fully open a month early, the reason being lack of engagement from pupils. Not sure how that tallies with all the tutoring. Also she lives and teaches in a wealthy area so don't think the lack of engagement was due to lack of technology either or indeed lack of high parental expectations. This is a primary school. No case in the school yet.

jrosen · 24-11-2020 09:43AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

It’s awful. Firstly the schools in poorer areas are so poorly funded. Secondly the neighbourhoods they serve have children crying out for the safety of school & a way out of their living hell. It’s so wrong private schooling is continuing at pace while public in many states is halted. Should be the same for all.

Private schools will run upwards of 40k per year per students. Of course those kids are going to get full engagement from their teachers. It’s what their parents are paying for.

Public schools also do remote teaching but the quality varies hugely for a multitude of reasons.

meeeeh · 24-11-2020 10:18AM

Similar problems were in UK where there was huge difference between private and public schools. They are stuck at home in Slovenia and home schooling because the numbers are too high. The teachers and educational experts are calling for schools to reopen because there are huge differences in engagement with remote learning among different kids.

Ireland managed school reopening well. Mostly due to hard work of people involved. Add to that restrictions on other activities and very importantly in my opinion large amount of kids who don't use school or public transport. People commuting in their cars is huge benefit in pandemic.

24-11-2020 07:11PM

Question for teachers....

Are Croke Park hours still being done?

A Law · 24-11-2020 07:11PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Question for teachers....

Are Croke Park hours still being done?

Yep.

khalessi · 24-11-2020 07:13PM

TheTorment wrote: »

Question for teachers....

Are Croke Park hours still being done?

Yup absolutely

24-11-2020 07:21PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yup absolutely

In meeting form with all staff?

khalessi · 24-11-2020 07:26PM

TheTorment wrote: »

In meeting form with all staff?

Zoom meetings with all staff broke into Junior and Senior staff

24-11-2020 07:32PM

khalessi wrote: »

Zoom meetings with all staff broke into Junior and Senior staff

So an in-house meeting shouldn't be going ahead really should it?

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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