Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

440Hertz · 23-11-2020 07:04PM

The big urban areas, notably Dublin and Cork, are going to have some differences to the rest of the country. That's inevitable, but the one to watch is Donegal.

If Northern Ireland doesn't get its act together on this and get the numbers down, we're going to just end up with a situation where Donegal will have to be restricted for far longer than the rest of the country as it seems to be the most exposed to being infected due to proximity and interaction with Derry City.

Realistically, this always needed to be dealt with as an all-island issue. Politicising it around Northern Ireland sensitivities about constitutional questions, border polls, Brexit or sectarian politics is a road to disaster. All that stuff needs to be parked and the practicalities of a health crisis dealt with as a single geographical area or we just won't get this solved.

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 07:04PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You say that like NPHET's end goal is lockdown and not lower case numbers. I think it goes without saying they went to get cases as low as possible so they can ease restrictions.

But, it's not them who ease restrictions...

Or maybe it is

Richard Hillman · 23-11-2020 07:05PM

greensausage wrote: »

Tony won't be happy

Tradition suggests that numbers go low and the day before they make their decision they spike up. As if they are withholding the numbers to justify their decision.

As I said before, there needs to be an independent adjudicator for those numbers. NPHET are not trusted and it would be beneficial for them to have somebody else assess the numbers how they cannot be accused of anything

Russman · 23-11-2020 07:05PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You say that like NPHET's end goal is lockdown and not lower case numbers. I think it goes without saying they went to get cases as low as possible so they can ease restrictions.

Unfortunately there’s an online narrative that they’re a crowd of evil geniuses with a ghastly plan to keep everything shut.
Falls apart when you bring any rational though to it but still.....

Polar101 · 23-11-2020 07:05PM

5:30pm briefing starting now (almost on time).

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 07:06PM

Tony messing around with his phone...

Be funny if like a pic of Abi Titmuss came up on the screen behind him

Ficheall · 23-11-2020 07:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Stop getting offended on the internet, Christ.

Quoted for ease of reference.

23-11-2020 07:09PM

RTÉ: "Concerns are expressed about pubs re-opening. Alcohol had facilitated the spread of Covid".

They've pinned their colours to the mast, building pubs up as a menace. Zero mention of hospitals or nursing homes naturally. Disgraceful bias.

Ohmeha · 23-11-2020 07:09PM

National deaths and case numbers since the introduction of Level 5 on October 22nd.

Thankfully traction downwards in all the case numbers kicking in again after a week of stalling numbers. Dublin is still stagnant

Day Month Date Deaths Weekly 7 Day Av ROI Weekly 5 Day Av 5 Day % 7 Day Av 7 Day % 14 Day Av 14 Day %
Thursday October 22nd 3 33 4.71 1,066 8,092 1,163.20 7.96% 1,156.00 26.85% 1,033.64 135.61%
Friday October 23rd 7 37 5.29 777 7,869 1,062.00 -9.37% 1,124.14 16.37% 1,045.07 127.44%
Saturday October 24th 4 33 4.71 859 7,452 1,027.60 -11.34% 1,064.57 6.06% 1,034.14 101.17%
Sunday October 25th 0 30 4.29 1,025 7,194 978.80 -16.47% 1,027.71 -4.02% 1,049.21 93.76%
Monday October 26th 3 33 4.71 939 7,102 933.20 -22.57% 1,014.57 -7.78% 1,057.36 84.67%
Tuesday October 27th 5 25 3.57 720 6,553 864.00 -25.72% 936.14 -19.68% 1,050.86 73.82%
Wednesday October 28th 6 28 4.00 675 6,061 843.60 -20.56% 865.86 -26.36% 1,020.86 56.54%
Thursday October 29th 6 31 4.43 866 5,861 845.00 -17.77% 837.29 -27.57% 996.64 41.04%
Friday October 30th 6 30 4.29 772 5,856 794.40 -18.84% 836.57 -25.58% 980.36 31.68%
Saturday October 31st 5 31 4.43 416 5,413 689.80 -26.08% 773.29 -27.36% 918.93 16.05%
Sunday November 1st 2 33 4.71 552 4,940 656.20 -24.05% 705.71 -31.33% 866.71 1.07%
Monday November 2nd 2 32 4.57 767 4,768 674.60 -20.03% 681.14 -32.86% 847.86 -5.18%
Tuesday November 3rd 5 32 4.57 322 4,370 565.80 -33.04% 624.29 -33.31% 780.21 -18.21%
Wednesday November 4th 8 34 4.86 444 4,139 500.20 -37.03% 591.29 -31.71% 728.57 -26.68%
Thursday November 5th 3 31 4.43 591 3,864 535.20 -22.41% 552.00 -34.07% 694.64 -32.80%
Friday November 6th 8 33 4.71 499 3,591 524.60 -20.05% 513.00 -38.68% 674.79 -35.43%
Saturday November 7th 5 33 4.71 355 3,530 442.20 -34.45% 504.29 -34.79% 638.79 -38.23%
Sunday November 8th 2 33 4.71 542 3,520 486.20 -14.07% 502.86 -28.74% 604.29 -42.41%
Monday November 9th 1 32 4.57 270 3,023 451.40 -9.76% 431.86 -36.60% 556.50 -47.37%
Tuesday November 10th 16 43 6.14 270 2,971 387.20 -27.65% 424.43 -32.01% 524.36 -50.10%
Wednesday November 11th 2 37 5.29 362 2,889 359.80 -31.41% 412.71 -30.20% 502.00 -50.83%
Thursday November 12th 1 35 5.00 395 2,693 367.80 -16.82% 384.71 -30.31% 468.36 -53.01%
Friday November 13th 7 34 4.86 482 2,676 355.80 -26.82% 382.29 -25.48% 447.64 -54.34%
Saturday November 14th 6 35 5.00 456 2,777 393.00 -12.94% 396.71 -21.33% 450.50 -50.98%
Sunday November 15th 1 34 4.86 378 2,613 414.60 7.08% 373.29 -25.77% 438.07 -49.46%
Monday November 16th 5 38 5.43 456 2,799 433.40 20.46% 399.86 -7.41% 415.86 -50.95%
Tuesday November 17th 11 33 4.71 366 2,895 427.60 16.26% 413.57 -2.56% 419.00 -46.30%
Wednesday November 18th 12 43 6.14 379 2,912 407.00 14.39% 416.00 0.80% 414.36 -43.13%
Thursday November 19th 4 46 6.57 429 2,946 401.60 2.19% 420.86 9.39% 402.79 -42.02%
Friday November 20th 8 47 6.71 330 2,794 392.00 -5.45% 399.14 4.41% 390.71 -42.10%
Saturday November 21st 4 45 6.43 344 2,682 369.60 -14.72% 383.14 -3.42% 389.93 -38.96%
Sunday November 22nd 1 45 6.43 318 2,622 360.00 -15.81% 374.57 0.34% 373.93 -38.12%
Monday November 23rd 0 40 5.71 252 2,418 334.60 -17.79% 345.43 -13.61% 372.64 -33.04%

Eod100 · 23-11-2020 07:10PM

MOR316 wrote: »

But, it's not them who ease restrictions...

Or maybe it is

Recommend easing restrictions, so.

Allinall · 23-11-2020 07:10PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Tradition suggests that numbers go low and the day before they make their decision they spike up. As if they are withholding the numbers to justify their decision.

As I said before, there needs to be an independent adjudicator for those numbers. NPHET are not trusted and it would be beneficial for them to have somebody else assess the numbers how they cannot be accused of anything

I’ll get on to your man from Stokes Kennedy Crowley who used to oversee the lottery draw.

He’d be good.

Ficheall · 23-11-2020 07:10PM

Allinall wrote: »

I’ll get on to your man from Stokes Kennedy Crowley who used to supervise the lottery draw.

Didn't they have the same guy as independent adjudicator from KPMG for a gazillion years?

23-11-2020 07:12PM

Gold star for Carlow.

Eod100 · 23-11-2020 07:13PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

National deaths and case numbers since the introduction of Level 5 on October 22nd.

Thankfully traction downwards in all the case numbers kicking in again after a week of stalling numbers. Dublin is still stagnant

Thanks for the figures. Looks like lowest daily cases since level 5. Wonder when figures were last this low.

jaffa20 · 23-11-2020 07:14PM

So it's confirmed. We're definitely out of L5 next week.

normanoffside · 23-11-2020 07:14PM

Tony is saying he is concerned that his surveys are showing people aren't worried enough.

Cork2021 · 23-11-2020 07:15PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony is saying he is concerned that his surveys are showing people aren't worried enough.

Are you serious? Can’t watch the press conference

normanoffside · 23-11-2020 07:16PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Are you serious? Can’t watch the press conference

Yeah he is saying the 'worry index' in the population has dropped and it concerns him.

KrustyUCC · 23-11-2020 07:16PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony is saying he is concerned that his surveys are showing people aren't worried enough.

Tony is always concerned

Nothing new there

KrustyUCC · 23-11-2020 07:17PM

jaffa20 wrote: »

So it's confirmed. We're definitely out of L5 next week.

Micheal Martin says so

I don't think NPHET will advise that though

23-11-2020 07:17PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony is saying he is concerned that his surveys are showing people aren't worried enough.

God forbid the national pysche isn't in tatters, despite their best efforts.

Eod100 · 23-11-2020 07:18PM

Wonder is this a preview of some of the charts NPHET will be showing government?

Cork2021 · 23-11-2020 07:18PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah he is saying the 'worry index' in the population has dropped and it concerns him.

I’ve no response to that

ACitizenErased · 23-11-2020 07:19PM

Worry index? And people wonder why NPHET aren't liked....

lukas8888 · 23-11-2020 07:19PM

Allinall wrote: »

I’ll get on to your man from Stokes Kennedy Crowley who used to oversee the lottery draw.

He’d be good.

Wow,you have a long memory they are known as KPMG for decades.

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 07:19PM

"The worry index"

He doesn't do himself any favours

landofthetree · 23-11-2020 07:20PM

In hospital: 289
In ICU: 33

Isnt that around the same as when L5 started?

mountgomery burns · 23-11-2020 07:20PM

hmmm wrote: »

Well in fairness to them, it's not simple.

Retail workers have to travel to and from work, many on public transport. People visiting retail may travel on public transport. Open retail encourages people to gather in certain places where they may interact (teens seem to be drawn like moths to a flame). Workers don't get much choice, they have to interact with multiple people while remaining inside.

I'd say there's very few using public transport outside of Dublin as our infrastructure is terrible.

I agree with you it's not simple. Mistakes will and have been made you have to allow for that but I do think that was a really big one. People will look at numbers and say end justifies the means but I just don't believe the move from level 3 to 5 has had that profound an impact in terms of case suppression.

What concerns me now is the talk of doubling down. There's been a massive effort by most already to this point, this 6 weeks had already been a huge ask. They are making it sound like we will take a small break to level 3 and go back to level 5 then until a vaccine arrives from January. I appreciate the need to be vigilant now that a vaccine is not just a pipe dream, but there is still a balance to be struck.

I fear that those skeptical about "Level 5 is for 6 weeks" will indeed prove correct allowing for the level 3 with no travel restrictions for Christmas week.

ElJeffe · 23-11-2020 07:22PM

Going to be an absolute mess in January if they leave level 5. Really disappointing

Rrrrrr2 · 23-11-2020 07:24PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Going to be an absolute mess in January if they leave level 5. Really disappointing

Oh well you can huddle yourself under a bed somewhere throughout. It’s not compulsory

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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