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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    i think we'll see cases rising again by the end of tge week. Retail parks and food shops were jammed over the weekend, level 5 lockdown.... i dont think so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    screamer wrote: »
    i think we'll see cases rising again by the end of tge week. Retail parks and food shops were jammed over the weekend, level 5 lockdown.... i dont think so.
    Supermarkets have been jammed for the last 5 weeks, what was different about last weekend?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    screamer wrote: »
    i think we'll see cases rising again by the end of tge week. Retail parks and food shops were jammed over the weekend, level 5 lockdown.... i dont think so.

    Every week it's something else for the screaming Nora's.
    People are sick of lockdown. Let everyone get on about their lives in a safe and controlled fashion, instead of allowing the HSE to lockdown the country to avoid exposing their own shortcomings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    293 swabs, 9834 tests
    301 swabs yesterday, 9540 tests


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sunday - 301 postive swabs from 9540 tests
    Today - 293 positive swabs from 9,834 tests

    7 day positivity down to 3%


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    293 swabs, 9834 tests
    301 swabs yesterday, 9540 tests

    I wish they would do an element of mass testing.

    Yes the positivity rate would be tiny and it really could mess up comparisons of psoitivity but pick a few places out and do an extra 5k tests a day.

    Take rte, some schools, some factories whatever they judge as high risk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Lowest 7 day rate since September 30th


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Would be great to see <270 this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    7 day positivity down to 3%
    2.98% ;)

    Let's not undersell ourselves :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    Treepole wrote: »
    Every week it's something else for the screaming Nora's.
    People are sick of lockdown. Let everyone get on about their lives in a safe and controlled fashion, instead of allowing the HSE to lockdown the country to avoid exposing their own shortcomings.

    That doesn’t get rid of their shortcomings though, we still need to deal with our capacity, or lack of.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    screamer wrote: »
    i think we'll see cases rising again by the end of tge week. Retail parks and food shops were jammed over the weekend, level 5 lockdown.... i dont think so.

    So in your idea of level 5,people can't buy food?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    screamer wrote: »
    i think we'll see cases rising again by the end of tge week. Retail parks and food shops were jammed over the weekend, level 5 lockdown.... i dont think so.
    People are generally in and out of retail locations and they are often high roofed, I haven't seen stats showing retail is responsible for much spread. Places where people are inside for a long time are a different matter. I visualise it like a swimming pool filling up. It'd be interesting to know whether shopping centres carry much virus, I presume there is some sort of air recirculation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Lowest 7 day rate since September 30th

    Careful now,some will say it's still plateauing!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Careful now,some will say it's still plateauing!!!!
    :pac::pac::pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    hmmm wrote: »
    People are generally in and out of retail locations and they are often high roofed, I haven't seen stats showing retail is responsible for much spread. Places where people are inside for a long time are a different matter. I visualise it like a swimming pool filling up. It'd be interesting to know whether shopping centres carry much virus, I presume there is some sort of air recirculation?

    And yet most retail is closed and the powers that be have the notion that has greatly helped the sharp reduction in cases.

    Go figure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I still think we should be testing way more tbh, no reason why mass testing of schools, workplaces etc cannot take place right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭antseanoifig


    I wish they would do an element of mass testing.

    Yes the positivity rate would be tiny and it really could mess up comparisons of psoitivity but pick a few places out and do an extra 5k tests a day.

    Take rte, some schools, some factories whatever they judge as high risk.

    Food production sites are being mass tested on an ongoing basis? It's a joint effort between the businesses, DAFM, HSE and NAS.

    My understanding also is that schools are beginning mass testing soon also, if not already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    And yet most retail is closed and the powers that be have the notion that has greatly helped the sharp reduction in cases.

    Go figure
    Well in fairness to them, it's not simple.

    Retail workers have to travel to and from work, many on public transport. People visiting retail may travel on public transport. Open retail encourages people to gather in certain places where they may interact (teens seem to be drawn like moths to a flame). Workers don't get much choice, they have to interact with multiple people while remaining inside.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    I still think we should be testing way more tbh, no reason why mass testing of schools, workplaces etc cannot take place right now.

    Expand contact tracing too. 72 or 96 hours before your test instead of 48 hours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Expand contact tracing too. 72 or 96 hours before your test instead of 48 hours.
    Agree yeah idk why that didn't happen during the summer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    On a per capita basis they would have twice the icu capacity as us.

    Where’d you pull that from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Previous Mondays:
    16/11: 456
    09/11: 270
    02/11: 767
    26/10: 939
    19/10: 1031

    The reported case number this evening should be closer to the number two weeks ago than last Monday.

    Last Monday the seven day average was 400 cases per day. If this evenings case number was to match the swab count today the seven day average would be down to 351 the lowest 7 day average since September 29th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Eivor wrote: »
    Where’d you pull that from?

    Apologies. I have gone and checked my figures. It was something I had off the top of my head but I guess I had a wrong figure somewhere. Its not correct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    seamus wrote: »
    2.98% ;)

    Let's not undersell ourselves :pac:

    Sorry 2.979%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Interesting that Denmark has a population just slightly larger than ours and carries out 6-7 times more daily tests than we do.

    By far the highest rate of testing on earth though I believe..so not exactly just a random example of what we might aspire to!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Treepole wrote: »
    Every week it's something else for the screaming Nora's.
    People are sick of lockdown. Let everyone get on about their lives in a safe and controlled fashion, instead of allowing the HSE to lockdown the country to avoid exposing their own shortcomings.

    yes, we are absolutely sick of lockdown, but the shops being rammed is only going to increase cases and give nphet fuel for their fire to continue draconian measures. the shops where i am haven't been rammed before at the weekend, but this weekend it was literally christmas volumes of shoppers and multiple people in each group queuing to go into shops. I'm all for lifting lockdown, but seeing the crowds mulling around makes me worry we're in for more misery.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    RTE:

    A consultant in infectious diseases at St James's Hospital in Dublin said it would not be safe to reopen restaurants next month, as increasing evidence shows that people gathering indoors and not wearing masks is problematic.

    Dr Clíona Ní Cheallaigh said that despite the best efforts of restaurants to operate safely, she said she "cannot see it being safe in December".

    Speaking on the same programme, she said that a "recent US study showed that those who contracted the virus were shown to be twice as likely to have eaten in a restaurant over the previous two weeks".



    I had a look at the US study she presumably refers to

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_x

    The study states: "Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results."

    Firstly, she was talking about indoor dining, and referred to the study being about people that had "eaten in a restaurant over the past 2 weeks.

    The study, in its findings, clearly specifies eating at a restaurant (i.e. potentially indoor/outdoor) and is clear in its stated limitations:

    "The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations".

    "First, the sample included 314 symptomatic patients who actively sought testing during July 1–29, 2020 at 11 health care facilities. Symptomatic adults with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results might have been infected with other respiratory viruses and had similar exposures to persons with cases of such illnesses. Persons who did not respond, or refused to participate, could be systematically different from those who were interviewed for this investigation. Efforts to age- and sex-match participating case-patients and control-participants were not maintained because of participants not meeting the eligibility criteria, refusing to participate, or not responding, and this was accounted for in the analytic approach."

    "Second, unmeasured confounding is possible, such that reported behaviors might represent factors, including concurrently participating in activities where possible exposures could have taken place, that were not included in the analysis or measured in the survey. Of note, the question assessing dining at a restaurant did not distinguish between indoor and outdoor options. In addition, the question about going to a bar or coffee shop did not distinguish between the venues or service delivery methods, which might represent different exposures".

    "Third, adults in the study were from one of 11 participating health care facilities and might not be representative of the United States population."

    "Fourth, participants were aware of their SARS-CoV-2 test results, which could have influenced their responses to questions about community exposures and close contacts."
    "Finally, case or control status might be subject to misclassification because of imperfect sensitivity or specificity of PCR-based testing (9,10)."


    I'm not saying there is no risk from indoor dining. But the consultant should not state as a fact that it's twice the risk. And as the study limitations allude to, the people going to these things are likely to be going to them more than once, so the overall double risk could be from 5 visits (if I'm interpreting right).

    All I'm saying is that when they quote these studies, they shouldn't misrepresent the findings. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but that was my take on the report vs. how she portrayed it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    By far the highest rate of testing on earth though I believe..so not exactly just a random example of what we might aspire to!

    Are they actually using PCR tests though or something else?

    A lot of jurisdictions are using rapid tests, while the HSE / DOH here seems to be extremely conservative and sticking with lab-based PCR only.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭FinglasFollain


    Treepole wrote: »
    Every week it's something else for the screaming Nora's.
    People are sick of lockdown. Let everyone get on about their lives in a safe and controlled fashion, instead of allowing the HSE to lockdown the country to avoid exposing their own shortcomings.

    Unfortunately this is the ‘new normal’. We had it in the summer. Hysteria at the Penney’s queues, Smyths queues. We’ve had it ingrained into our head that more than a few people anywhere is a threat to our life. It’ll take a while for that psyche to go back to normal.

    It’ll be the same in December. Every shop that has a few people, every indoor gathering, every restaurant (if it happens) will be snapped, put up on Twitter and the hysteria will restart. It’s not necessarily people’s fault - it’s the narrative that everything outside of your home is unsafe that a small few have successfully pushed, “experts” included.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    From that same article

    "Dr Ní Cheallagh said that in her view, restaurants could hopefully reopen next spring or summer when a vaccine becomes available."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1123/1179830-politics/

    Very kind of her

    No bother in having to pay thousands of people in the meantime or that many restaurants wouldn't be reopening


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