Discovery 3x06 - 'Scavengers' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Why go to the trouble of doing those drawings and theories.

I’m in my 30s I’ve watched Star Trek all my life this show is bullshiete and no amount of logic can fix it at this stage. I watch it because I’m a trek fan and I want to see it all go right but this is awful, they can’t even do woke right.

Because I'm actually an engineer. Geordie and Scottie were favourite characters growing up, and I enjoy thinking about problems like this. I've actually worked with people who worked on solving similar problems with microphones trying to separate multiple speakers in a crowded room. It's not to nit-pick: this is how I think, and while Trek always had lots of technobabble, it's sad that it doesn't care to have a level of careful thought at its heart to boost plausibility. The presence of that is what appeals to me in an Alastair Reynolds novel, or a Christopher Nolan film (though he sometimes gets himself tied in knots).

Instead, now we have mystery box writers who'll just pull a number out of their ass because they need N McGuffins to advance the plot, like a boring fetch quest in a video game.

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

I’m an engineer also and technobabel is not the issue with this program.

It’s a sign of the broader problem though - a lack of grounding elements. In science, character choices and development, and internal logic.

Even around this very simple decision of Burnham's to triangulate the centrepoint of The Burn. It is absolutely impossible that it was not previously noted that the ships did not in fact explode in the same instant, and it's absolutely impossible that what she's doing hasn't been done before. 120 years of scientists and captains and organisations. This is stuff that would have been done in the immediate years after the event. She doesn't have some unique insight or technology that answers the 'why now', and there's no new information that makes it suddenly relevant again. It's this sort of logic stretch that makes you need to switch off your brain in a way no other Trek show has demanded (well, maybe Picard!).

Deleted User wrote: »

But she's been shown to not be trustworthy, she does not care who she turns on. Immediately upon being dressed down she just HAD to have the last word, with the admiral.

She was not in the brig because she saved lives. That is not why she went on the "mission"

Saru should have taken it to the Admiral, indeed, but he had literally already been shot down by the admiral when asking to go on a mission.

I've been enjoying Season 3 so far. I've seen your comments of course, so I think you've not been enjoying it as much as I have. Probably where I agree with you is the constant insubordination from Michael. It clearly hasn't completely bypassed the attention of the shows writers as they have acknowledged it with actions/speeches from Vance, Tilly & Saru.

When the episode started and Michael was almost immediately plotting her next rogue mission - I really started cringing on the inside. But in the end the mission itself was rather enjoyable to watch and she got a rightfully deserved demotion at the end. I didn't really see her as giving her permission to Saru for the demotion at the end. Saru just did it and fair play to him!

But I am a bit sick of her doing her own thing now. It should be all 'go team Starfleet!' at this stage. I'm hopeful the writers will resolve this issue satisfactorily this season. But I do think the show creators are trying to change it up based on feedback the show was getting. For example the new 1031-A ship is visually much better and I didn't mind the old ship that much Also there are a lot more character interaction moments this season. I really enjoyed the moments between Adira and Stamets this episode.

Deleted User wrote: »

Is is still contractural, or was it ever? Doesn't this show have to be renewed and therefore the contact can change?

At the moment I think this is all just speculation. Unless there's some kind of public implosion between the actor and the studio you rarely hear about contract details until long after the fact.

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Where did you get that information ?

Someone on a Trek forum keeps posting streaming numbers and it's pretty high up plenty of lists it seems.2nd hand information so if I'm wrong I'm happy to be called out on it

GSPfan wrote: »

I’ll watch any Star Trek show/episode once. But I have not rewatched any Star Trek Discovery episodes. Don’t think I ever will rewatch any, they are just too annoying.

Only one episode really stays in my mind and it's the season 2 one with the earth church from the 21st century

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The things I look at say the opposite and they also CBS had previously manipulated the the figures. Possible that trek fans watch it but the new younger audience they have aimed the show at aren’t that high. But that could be fake news from haters, I don’t know

I don't really understand viewer ratings so could be biased either way and I wouldn't know.

I think both Picard and STD are less rewatchable as they follow a less episodical format, whereby there is a more obvious overarching plot condensed into fewer episodes, compared to TOS, TNG, VOY or DS9.

There were more episodes back then so they could spend time on a non-arc episode about something like everyone on the ship losing their memories, or Picard living out an entire life on a planet etc etc.

So with Picard or STD, you watch the whole thing, or you dont get as much from it. Whereas back in the day you could watch any single episode and it would likely be self contained enough that you dont have to watch the rest of the season to get something from it.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I've rewatched a good few Discovery episodes from the second series and the start of the first before all the mirror crap. The only one I think I'll never watch a minute of again is Picard.

Actually thats fair, the early stuff with Pike and Lorca was good enough to watch again.

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

When I was younger I watched TOS as many times as they showed it on Sky One at the time. But these days I don't think it has aged so well TBH.

Yep, 5pm on Sky One, every evening after school....them were the days!

Some of the early seasons can be a bit flaky, but it still had storylines and plot, once the actors got comfortable with the characters in seasons 2+ it was great, dare I say even the Troi and her mother episodes! :eek:

AMKC wrote: »

Agree about that fight scene been comical but it was the sixties after all.

I can only ever think of this now!