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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #6842
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I don't think those figures are accurate (the admissions/discharges on the hub) or they are not as simple as we think.

    You can go back to when we had single digits in hospital and the admission/discharge figures don't line up with those in hospital.

    Well the swab data looks like something you brush off the toilet bowl, I would be taking the rest with a pinch of salt.


  • #6843
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    John.Icy wrote: »
    Maybe so. The only figures we have though. The admissions/discharges have been neck and neck for weeks now but we still had a period of overall number increasing regardless which does suggest hospital outbreaks. Here's one involving 20+ patients just recently in Dublin - https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-outbreak-st-columcilles-hospital-dublin-5273007-Nov2020/. Naas reported an outbreak awhile back too, Limerick also having internal issues. I seen another article recently that mentioned something over 60% of new cases in hospitals were being acquired internally, but for the life of me cannot find where I saw it. Staff are stretched. I know personally of one hospital where nurses had been doing COVID ward shifts in full PPE and then doing regular ward shifts in less extensive PPE. It really wouldn't surprise me.

    Oh I don't disagree with hospital outbreaks, they are definitely happening.
    It's just we have twitter saying 76%, your article saying 60% a hub with figures that don't add up (even when cases were in single digits in hospital) and the last HPSC report with 94 patients contracting covid in a 2 week period when 337 people were hospitalized (22%) https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/october2020/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20201021_Website.pdf
    That last report is a month old, so I would assume it's much higher now.


  • #6844
    John.Icy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Off twitter? Nothing more solid than that?

    Does it matter whether it came from Twitter if someone has crunched the available data from the correct sources? As another pointed out, maybe the admissions/discharge data is flawed but I wouldn't be so mighty as to dismiss it because Twitter was mentioned.


  • #6845
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Well the swab data looks like something you brush off the toilet bowl, I would be taking the rest with a pinch of salt.

    The one thing I don't get with the swab data is, during the first peak 12% of all positive swabs were not positive cases, meaning some people being tested multiple times.
    This wave, there seems to be zero tested multiple times (as in positive swabs) which going by how many HCW's infected and staffing such an issue, you would expect them to be re-tested when positive to get them back to work sooner?


  • #6846
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    John.Icy wrote: »
    Does it matter whether it came from Twitter if someone has crunched the available data from the correct sources? As another pointed out, maybe the admissions/discharge data is flawed but I wouldn't be so mighty as to dismiss it because Twitter was mentioned.

    Here you go.

    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1330122887785828352?s=21


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  • #6847
    John.Icy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Oh I don't disagree with hospital outbreaks, they are definitely happening.
    It's just we have twitter saying 76%, your article saying 60% a hub with figures that don't add up (even when cases were in single digits in hospital) and the last HPSC report with 94 patients contracting covid in a 2 week period when 337 people were hospitalized (22%) https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/october2020/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20201021_Website.pdf
    That last report is a month old, so I would assume it's much higher now.

    Perhaps someone has cross checked admissions on the hub vs the announced daily admissions figure. I don't believe we get a discharge one aanounced at press conferences etc. It's new admissions and current total. If the admissions announced officially daily match the hub then maybe the discharge data is fine too? Don't know if there's a number cruncher who watches for things like this on here. Would be interesting if someone had it to hand.


  • #6848
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Another one from Conor

    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1330215661155520513?s=21


  • #6849
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Taylor's Bar in Galway had a number of cases come from it during the reopening.

    https://lovin.ie/galway/galway-pub-issues-update-on-voluntary-closure-following-positive-covid-19-case

    It states in the article that members of a group who were in the bar subsequently tested positive, not that cases came from the bar. Is more down to the activities of that group than the bar being open. The bar closed voluntarily because it was likely members of this group were infectious while there, eg they had it already.


  • #6850
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    John.Icy wrote: »
    Perhaps someone has cross checked admissions on the hub vs the announced daily admissions figure. I don't believe we get a discharge one aanounced at press conferences etc. It's new admissions and current total. If the admissions announced officially daily match the hub then maybe the discharge data is fine too? Don't know if there's a number cruncher who watches for things like this on here. Would be interesting if someone had it to hand.

    Well as another poster on here pointed out, it's not as simple as admissions - discharges.
    Could very well be people need to stay in hospital longer than they are infectious.
    Once they receive a negative swab they would be classed as a covid discharge, but could remain on the hospital figures (as in it's safer for them to remain in a covid ward than move them about - incase of false negatives or for specialist care on a covid ward)


  • #6851
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    The one thing I don't get with the swab data is, during the first peak 12% of all positive swabs were not positive cases, meaning some people being tested multiple times.
    This wave, there seems to be zero tested multiple times (as in positive swabs) which going by how many HCW's infected and staffing such an issue, you would expect them to be re-tested when positive to get them back to work sooner?

    This .
    We , as in nurses, and other HCWs, have been trying to get regular testing done in hospitals.
    At present only done before you commence work in a new area or if there has been a case identified in hospital, or obviously before you return to work after restricting movements.
    No regular retesting , where I work , and not for the want of asking .


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  • #6852
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Another one from Conor

    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1330215661155520513?s=21

    Ah we've known that on this thread for months. Week to week they tend to line up. Nice he doesn't highlight the day where positive tests are higher than reported cases.


  • #6853
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This .
    We as in nurses have been trying to get regular testing done in hospitals.
    At present only done before you commence work in a new area or if there has been a case identified in hospital, or obviously before you return to work after restricting movements.
    No regular retesting , where I work , and not for the want of asking .

    From everything I have read here and in other places, it sounds to me like more has been done to mitigate risk of spread in private businesses (retail and hospitality) than in Hospitals.


  • #6854
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This .
    We as in nurses have been trying to get regular testing done in hospitals.
    At present only done before you commence work in a new area or if there has been a case identified in hospital, or obviously before you return to work after restricting movements.
    No regular retesting , where I work , and not for the want of asking .

    Unions should be pushing for the rapid antigen testing for staff. Not as a primary defense, but just as an extra precaution. I'd trust a HCW to keep their guard up even if they tested negative on a rapid test more so than a member of the public.


  • #6855
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    HSE report out:
    In hospital: 273 - increase of 6
    In ICU: 32 (2 deaths and 18 Ventilated)


  • #6856
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This .
    We , as in nurses, and other HCWs, have been trying to get regular testing done in hospitals.
    At present only done before you commence work in a new area or if there has been a case identified in hospital, or obviously before you return to work after restricting movements.
    No regular retesting , where I work , and not for the want of asking .

    Have they ever given a proper reasoning for not allowing you get more regularly testing or do they fob it off?.


  • #6857
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It states in the article that members of a group who were in the bar subsequently tested positive, not that cases came from the bar. Is more down to the activities of that group than the bar being open. The bar closed voluntarily because it was likely members of this group were infectious while there, eg they had it already.

    Based on what? It's speculation either way. You can't rule out that they didn't get it in the bar. How can you assume "it was due to their activities". Wild speculation to suggest it's their actions and therefore their fault. Of course you may know more than is described in the article.


  • #6858
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Another one from Conor

    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1330215661155520513?s=21

    Hence why I'd take his infection in hospitals figures with a pinch of salt. He highlighted the days that suit his angle. The weekly total is much more revealing and even it needs take account of a rolling figure that is inevitable when verification is being carried out.


  • #6859
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Unions should be pushing for the rapid antigen testing for staff. Not as a primary defense, but just as an extra precaution. I'd trust a HCW to keep their guard up even if they tested negative on a rapid test more so than a member of the public.

    The jury is very much out on antigen testing.
    I thought that by the time you are reacting positively to antigens, you have already been infectious for a while , so its use in healthcare is limited.
    Need to be picking up people before they start to be infectious .
    Having said that , not picking people up at all if not testing .
    Too much reliance on PPE and patient screening as main prevention.


  • #6860
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    HSE report out:
    In hospital: 273 - increase of 6
    In ICU: 32 (2 deaths and 18 Ventilated)

    Are these all Covid patients?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6861
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Are these all Covid patients?

    Yes, patients with Covid


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  • #6862
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    prunudo wrote: »
    Have they ever given a proper reasoning for not allowing you get more regularly testing or do they fob it off?.

    They don't give reasons or excuses, just spiel , as to how it is not necessary due to patient screening or staff wearing PPE .
    We have and are representing through our unions at this stage .
    PPE is not guaranteed and neither is screening , although both measures have improved considerably from the situation in the first wave .
    We are getting patients who have tested negative coming in to hospital, testing positive 5 days later on , having just been told that family members are positive at home .
    You can imagine the pandemonium and upset for these patients , the others in the ward and staff when this occurs , and all the relatives involved ...never mind the daily numbers .
    While masks would be worn universally , full PPE cover is for Covid patient contact , and even that cannot keep every person safe in some cases .


  • #6863
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Am still waiting for the flu jab.

    Am a bit concerned about the vaccine rollout. But hopefully it will be precise, timely and targeted quickly.


  • #6864
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,218 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    HSE report out:
    In hospital: 273 - increase of 6
    In ICU: 32 (2 deaths and 18 Ventilated)

    RIP :(
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #6865
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Bars closing at 10pm? Like an invite to "let's go back to my house for a few jars" when they're kicked out. :rolleyes:


  • #6866
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Am still waiting for the flu jab.

    Am a bit concerned about the vaccine rollout. But hopefully it will be precise, timely and targeted quickly.

    I got my flu jab from my GP a few weeks ago .
    I work late shifts and weekends so miss the office hours that occupational health aim for .
    Hence why those staff that work 9 to 5 all appear to have a better uptake than nurses.
    Nurses are and have been vilified for not taking up flu vaccine , but a lot of us have long since given up trying to get it through work as either no staff available to do the jabs and / or they don't have supplies when we eventually get an appointment!
    Of course those on nights etc are forgotten and most end up getting it themselves outside of work when they can.
    Records of which staff have taken up the vaccine don't take this into account as that data only records vaccines given at work.

    This and the lack of supply for healthcare workers for what is a routine yearly vaccine , does not fill me with confidence for the rollout of the anti Covid vaccine .


  • #6867
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Bars closing at 10pm? Like an invite to "let's go back to my house for a few jars" when they're kicked out. :rolleyes:

    Yep. Would be a stupid move!
    Some may deny it and say only a few "irresponsible idiots" would do it but, let's face it, that will happen with a lot of people

    If they are to open, best just to let them open until 12 or 12:30.


  • #6868
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Bars closing at 10pm? Like an invite to "let's go back to my house for a few jars" when they're kicked out. :rolleyes:

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If people are going to carry on like that we'll have another episode of level 5 much sooner than anyone wants and it'll be same crowd who will moan and whinge about infringements on their civil liberties by "lockdowns"...


  • #6869
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Miike wrote: »
    You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If people are going to carry on like that we'll have another episode of level 5 much sooner than anyone wants and it'll be same crowd who will moan and whinge about infringements on their civil liberties by "lockdowns"...

    "If people are going to"

    If...

    Seriously, it's a question of if? Be honest with yourself... It's going to happen!
    Anyone between the age of 18 and 40, it will happen if bars shut at 10pm

    I honestly find it puzzling how this would be news to some people. It's almost like they're new to sociology

    And before anyone gets on their high horse, I'm neither condoning or condemning it. I'm just accepting of the fact and stating the fact it's going to happen and realise there is nothing I can do about that so, not going to praise it or complain about it


  • #6870
    Tpcl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Tpcl20


    Tonight there are videos from around the place with teenagers running riot, I saw one from Cork with a garda car chasing them up on a footpath. At first I was surprised and then I remembered that they have way, way more of a chance of catching Covid from Monday to Friday, 9 to 4pm.


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  • #6871
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    Tonight there are videos from around the place with teenagers running riot, I saw one from Cork with a garda car chasing them up on a footpath. At first I was surprised and then I remembered that they have way, way more of a chance of catching Covid from Monday to Friday, 9 to 4pm.

    Not Covid related but, during the day yesterday, I saw three teenagers hanging outside a Dominos, with cans of beer in their hands and some pizzas. The Gardaí were walking up the footpath in their direction and the teenagers waited until the Gardaí got up to them, to say something, before they moved on...

    As I said not Covid related but, how stupid do you have to be? :D


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