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patsy_mccabe · 14-11-2020 07:56PM

jfh wrote: »

Fine herd of cows he had too, some reasonable prices

Ya, I thought they were nice. No overfeeding or fancy haircuts either. Deffo value there compared to other sales.

MIKEKC · 15-11-2020 07:44PM

Anyone know how dept are to be notified when renting cattle shed?.AIM only tells you what to do when transferring farm to farm, or b+b. No cattle on farm where shed is to be rented.

wrangler · 15-11-2020 08:00PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Anyone know how dept are to be notified when renting cattle shed?.AIM only tells you what to do when transferring farm to farm, or b+b. No cattle on farm where shed is to be rented.

It is a farm to farm transfer isn't it, It's counted as two movements, in and out

MIKEKC · 15-11-2020 09:34PM

wrangler wrote: »

It is a farm to farm transfer isn't it, It's counted as two movements, in and out

Don't think so farm to farm I thought would mean transferring stock to other farmers herd. Read in journal that you can just rent shed. Not worried about movements, want to keep them in my own herd number

Grueller · 15-11-2020 09:38PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Don't think so farm to farm I thought would mean transferring stock to other farmers herd. Read in journal that you can just rent shed. Not worried about movements, want to keep them in my own herd number

Is there stock from the other farmers herd in the same yard?

MIKEKC · 15-11-2020 09:45PM

Grueller wrote: »

Is there stock from the other farmers herd in the same yard?

No the other farmer has no stock at the moment . Won't have any until after I leave the shed

Grueller · 15-11-2020 10:06PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

No the other farmer has no stock at the moment . Won't have any until after I leave the shed

Couldn't see the need to transfer them then. I would clarify that with the dept though.

patsy_mccabe · 15-11-2020 10:26PM

A few local lads sharing slatted sheds. Risky if they get an inspection, I suppose.

patsy_mccabe · 20-11-2020 07:35PM

💥Brennan's 13th Annual Incalf springer sale💥

On at 7Pm in Balla Mart. Might be better watching than Home And Away !!:cool:

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/countdown-is-on/26525588

Danzy · 20-11-2020 07:37PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

💥Brennan's 13th Annual Incalf springer sale💥

On at 7Pm in Balla Mart. Might be better watching than Home And Away !!:cool:

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/countdown-is-on/26525588

There are some savage heifers in Home and Away.

patsy_mccabe · 20-11-2020 07:47PM

Danzy wrote: »

There are some savage heifers in Home and Away.

SuperTortoise · 20-11-2020 10:43PM

A lot of very nice heifers at Brennan's sale, some nice prices too!

patsy_mccabe · 20-11-2020 11:25PM

Some made 4 to €5K and a few of them 2017 with 5 owners. I just don't get it.

SuperTortoise · 20-11-2020 11:44PM

Good off farm jobs must be, it's not in suckling or beef anyways.

Base price · 21-11-2020 12:31AM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Anyone know how dept are to be notified when renting cattle shed?.AIM only tells you what to do when transferring farm to farm, or b+b. No cattle on farm where shed is to be rented.

It's a simple farm to farm movement/notification the same as if you were selling the stock to another farmer. The farm that you are renting I presume isn't registered within your registered DAFM herd domain/land area so therefore in your case it is classified as a off farm movement.

Albert Johnson · 21-11-2020 03:21AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Some made 4 to €5K and a few of them 2017 with 5 owners. I just don't get it.

From the report on the Journal's Snapchat account the most of them seemed to cross €2500 and a lot were €3000+. If those results were achieved last year it would be the talk of the country but it's become commonplace this year.

Was €5000 the record at O'Connors sale last year and it was considered madness at the time. He beat it several times this year and topped out at €9000. This jump has been similar for all classes of those fancy heifers. It seems that what previously would have been a €2500 springer is now nearer to €3500 and so on. It's not that many year's ago since it took an exceptional springer to cross €2000, you'd buy an average heifer for €1200-1500 at the time. You'd probably get nearly as much for any type of a commercial weanling then as now so you'd have to wonder where the interest is coming from.

josephsoap · 21-11-2020 08:11AM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

From the report on the Journal's Snapchat account the most of them seemed to cross €2500 and a lot were €3000+. If those results were achieved last year it would be the talk of the country but it's become commonplace this year.

Was €5000 the record at O'Connors sale last year and it was considered madness at the time. He beat it several times this year and topped out at €9000. This jump has been similar for all classes of those fancy heifers. It seems that what previously would have been a €2500 springer is now nearer to €3500 and so on. It's not that many year's ago since it took an exceptional springer to cross €2000, you'd buy an average heifer for €1200-1500 at the time. You'd probably get nearly as much for any type of a commercial weanling then as now so you'd have to wonder where the interest is coming from.

Yes exactly, does the weanling from the €3500 heifer ever make more than €700 - €800 at the same time.

If the calving went wrong you have just taken serious financial hit.

charolais0153 · 21-11-2020 09:37AM

josephsoap wrote: »

Yes exactly, does the weanling from the €3500 heifer ever make more than €700 - €800 at the same time.

Of course it does, it's a bad weanling making 7 or 800, tune into the sale in stranorlar to see what they could produce

RobinBanks · 21-11-2020 10:09AM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

From the report on the Journal's Snapchat account the most of them seemed to cross €2500 and a lot were €3000+. If those results were achieved last year it would be the talk of the country but it's become commonplace this year.

Was €5000 the record at O'Connors sale last year and it was considered madness at the time. He beat it several times this year and topped out at €9000. This jump has been similar for all classes of those fancy heifers. It seems that what previously would have been a €2500 springer is now nearer to €3500 and so on. It's not that many year's ago since it took an exceptional springer to cross €2000, you'd buy an average heifer for €1200-1500 at the time. You'd probably get nearly as much for any type of a commercial weanling then as now so you'd have to wonder where the interest is coming from.

And the funny thing is they are not paying over the top prices for them breeding heifers bar the odd few that come from the big advertised sale. So there is Savage mark up selling on as springers

Bass Reeves · 21-11-2020 10:38AM

RobinBanks wrote: »

And the funny thing is they are not paying over the top prices for them breeding heifers bar the odd few that come from the big advertised sale. So there is Savage mark up selling on as springers

if these were stocks and shares we be heading into bubble territory. There was an article in the FI about a lad that had changed over to producing these heifers from commercial suckling. Maybe the BDGP has encouraged some lads to upgrade there cows as they see the benefits of a better weanling. However its maybe lads just chasing shadow' in the suckled game. I see around a few young lads that have taken over farms where suckling is the main enterprise starting to enter the pedigree game. I see one lad after buying a few pedigrees AA heifers and going bulling them at the moment. There is another lads that got into pedigree limousin's 3-4 years ago. I never understand the thinking as these are limited markets and it takes little to overcrowd them. In time they may accept there faith and buy a few dairy cross calves and bring them to stores for me:D:D

Just an add on I bought the rag this week for the first time in 7-8 weeks. There is an article in it regarding the stocking rate of dairy cows on milking platforms to 3.25cows/HA. Teagasc are already signposting it on new demonstration farms. The fear is it will become a condition of Bord Bia QA down the line(I presume they mean in 5+ years time). They mentioned that it would have implications for fragmented farms. It will also have implications for smaller dairy operations and limit there cows numbers. This has implications on payback time on dairy startups. Payback time will be years longer and put pressure on these businesses . The assumption up to now was these lads could access mire land in bally go backwards and keep plugging away similar to the way lads got around stocking rates over the years. As well done lads are farming land without maps on the dairy side and this will not be possible to continue either.

Hershall · 21-11-2020 01:09PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

if these were stocks and shares we be heading into bubble territory. There was an article in the FI about a lad that had changed over to producing these heifers from commercial suckling. Maybe the BDGP has encouraged some lads to upgrade there cows as they see the benefits of a better weanling. However its maybe lads just chasing shadow' in the suckled game. I see around a few young lads that have taken over farms where suckling is the main enterprise starting to enter the pedigree game. I see one lad after buying a few pedigrees AA heifers and going bulling them at the moment. There is another lads that got into pedigree limousin's 3-4 years ago. I never understand the thinking as these are limited markets and it takes little to overcrowd them. In time they may accept there faith and buy a few dairy cross calves and bring them to stores for me:D:D

Just an add on I bought the rag this week for the first time in 7-8 weeks. There is an article in it regarding the stocking rate of dairy cows on milking platforms to 3.25cows/HA. Teagasc are already signposting it on new demonstration farms. The fear is it will become a condition of Bord Bia QA down the line(I presume they mean in 5+ years time). They mentioned that it would have implications for fragmented farms. It will also have implications for smaller dairy operations and limit there cows numbers. This has implications on payback time on dairy startups. Payback time will be years longer and put pressure on these businesses . The assumption up to now was these lads could access mire land in bally go backwards and keep plugging away similar to the way lads got around stocking rates over the years. As well done lads are farming land without maps on the dairy side and this will not be possible to continue either.

The Guys who are at this every yesr probably do ok but in years like this several others buy maidens to bull looking for a quick kill leading to over supply and poor prices.
As Baas says if springers were stocks theyd be a sell at the moment.

josephsoap · 21-11-2020 01:45PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Of course it does, it's a bad weanling making 7 or 800, tune into the sale in stranorlar to see what they could produce

Never tuned into there - how do the prices fare?

Jd310 · 21-11-2020 02:06PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Of course it does, it's a bad weanling making 7 or 800, tune into the sale in stranorlar to see what they could produce

They seem to be going well, dont understand why there was a different auctioneer brought in for it when the usual man is as good as any in the country.

Grueller · 21-11-2020 03:16PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Of course it does, it's a bad weanling making 7 or 800, tune into the sale in stranorlar to see what they could produce

It's still folly imo.
Allow a weanling make €1300. At €3000 for a springer that takes 2 and 1/3 weanlings to pay for her. Put her keep at €700 per year and that's €2800 in keep by the time she sells her fourth weanling.
Add her cost price and her keep for four years is €5800. The fifth years keep makes that €6500. That is 5 weanlings at €1300. So five years to break even.
They were 3 years old calving so now you have an 8 year old cow. Get 2 more calves leaving a €600 profit each is €1200 plus say €1400 cull cow price.
That is €2600 in profit after a 7 year keep and assuming an average price of €1300 which is an unrealistic average imo. Also it assumes a calf every 365 days and no losses. A lot of assumptions for a very small return.

patsy_mccabe · 21-11-2020 03:22PM

Its complete madness. Some at that sale won't calf till 4 years old. Sale at sixmilebridge last week had good suckler cows selling for circa 1400. Heard a local guy bought 10.
I know where I'd rather buy.

Grueller · 21-11-2020 03:38PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Its complete madness. Some at that sale won't calf till 4 years old. Sale at sixmilebridge last week had good suckler cows selling for circa 1400. Heard a local guy bought 10.
I know where I'd rather buy.

Sprinters or calves at foot?

MIKEKC · 21-11-2020 03:49PM

Base price wrote: »

It's a simple farm to farm movement/notification the same as if you were selling the stock to another farmer. The farm that you are renting I presume isn't registered within your registered DAFM herd domain/land area so therefore in your case it is classified as a off farm movement.

Wouldn't farm to farm movement mean putting stock into other farmers herd?. I just want to rent shed. Other farmer has no cattle

patsy_mccabe · 21-11-2020 04:24PM

Grueller wrote: »

Sprinters or calves at foot?

It was a complete dispersal sale for a guy going dairying. Cows were calving Feb March and continental types. All good types.

Base price · 21-11-2020 09:48PM

MIKEKC wrote: »

Wouldn't farm to farm movement mean putting stock into other farmers herd?. I just want to rent shed. Other farmer has no cattle

Has other farmer a bte herd number, if so then the cattle would need to move into his herd. If he doesn't have a herd number than you don't have a problem. Local man had a shed rented from another farmer a few miles away that didn't have any cattle. He had to take the cattle back out of the shed because the other farmer had been depopulated and wasn't suppose to have animals in the shed. He also has to have a full herd test.

MIKEKC · 21-11-2020 09:54PM

Base price wrote: »

Has other farmer a bte herd number, if so then the cattle would need to move into his herd. If he doesn't have a herd number than you don't have a problem. Local man had a shed rented from another farmer a few miles away that didn't have any cattle. He had to take the cattle back out of the shed because the other farmer had been depopulated and wasn't suppose to have animals in the shed. He also has to have a full herd test.

Thanks for the info. Other farmer has a herd number. Just doesn't have stock at the moment. Not depopulated

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