Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 19-11-2020 08:10PM

charlie14 wrote: »

At least crushing the curve had some data to back it up as to what it could achieve.
The Barrington thing, while big on what they felt should be done, had nothing on how it could be.
That for me would leave everyone who signed it "a wise old woman"

Ah Charlie.

Ambiguous as always.

CruelSummer · 19-11-2020 08:13PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1329488918950125569?s=21

Who does this guy think he is? How dare he pull people up for going to work, pay the bills and live their lives. Enough of this complete and utter farce. Could the real Government please stand up or call a general election, from a former FG voter. I won’t be voting for these spineless tail wags the dog crew again.
Reopen non-essential retail, barbers, hairdressers, beautician’s & go to level 2 for part of December. Cases may increase but we’ve just given NPHET and the HSE 6 extra weeks at a cost of 1.5 billion to come up with a new plan that isn’t lockdown. Time for them to wake up or shut up.

19-11-2020 08:14PM

When a contagion enters the body often times the contagion doesnt do the damage, the immune system can kill cells (the economy) and shuts down tissues (businesses)..the patient dies...there will be no coming back beyond a certain point if tony has his way. These so called experts are giving strategies to outline and predict our future......we cannot predict the future with acuracy unless we understand the present precisely.....stephen hawking..

patnor1011 · 19-11-2020 08:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

The website that Patnor has linked us all to btw guys
Thank you Pat, I needed a good laugh tonight.
A wonderful contribution to the thread

It is hosted there as this type of videos questioning official narrative tends to be deleted from places like youtube.
Have a blast while you are laughing it is here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=uEo3rnU12jw&feature=emb_logo

and by the way you still forgot to state your own medical expertise or credentials since you have no problem to call doctors or professors "mascot" you must have some impressive education and experience yourself. Come on let us awe and take our hats off...

pjohnson · 19-11-2020 08:16PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1329488918950125569?s=21

Who does this guy think he is? How dare he pull people up for going to work, pay the bills and live their lives. Enough of this complete and utter farce. Could the real Government please stand up or call a general election, from a former FG voter. I won’t be voting for these spineless tail wags the dog crew again.
Reopen non-essential retail, barbers, hairdressers, beautician’s & go to level 2 for part of December. Cases may increase but we’ve just given NPHET and the HSE 6 extra weeks at a cost of 1.5 billion to come up with a new plan that isn’t lockdown. Time for them to wake up or shut up.

Irish Freedom Party in the future is it?

charlie14 · 19-11-2020 08:16PM

walus wrote: »

At the same time there are people who no longer have any scientific functions and a track record in relevant fields, who got themselves on nphet and keep on experimenting with our lives.

This last experiment came at the cost of 1.5bn and was meant to flatten the curve yet again. I don’t think that anyone could claim this to be a success even in the slightest way. They are making these expensive experiments that wreck lives and livelihoods of millions of people without adequate qualifications and skills. They point fingers at others as they look for reasons to justify why the results of a lockdown are not as expected. Horrendous, that’s what this is. A blind man in the fog stuff. It is time the government pointed fingers at nphet. They don’t know what they are doing.

If that is not nuts, I don’t know what is.

NPHET do not have the power to make any decisions. They make recommendations. The decision is up to the government.
Whether you me or anyone else see that decision is up to them. You can view it as incompetence,and it might well be. What it is not is the pushing of an agenda by those of the far right funded by some very unsavory individuals.

pjohnson · 19-11-2020 08:17PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

It is hosted there as this type of videos questioning official narrative tends to be deleted from places like youtube.
Have a blast while you are laughing it is here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=uEo3rnU12jw&feature=emb_logo

and by the way you still forgot to state your own medical expertise or credentials since you have no problem to call doctors or professors "mascot" you must have some impressive education and experience yourself. Come on let us awe and take our hats off...

Theres a reason for them being deleted. Bitchute is mostly just for conspiracists who are too wild for youtube. Its a cracking place for a laugh.

charlie14 · 19-11-2020 08:19PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ah Charlie.

Ambiguous as always.

Ah Ginger, as pointless as ever .:D

CruelSummer · 19-11-2020 08:25PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Irish Freedom Party in the future is it?

You tried that line on me before PJ and I’ve already stated I don’t support that party at all!
The Government & NPHET deserve to be criticised heavily. We’ve got George Lee peddling NPHET’s message daily, there’s many many twitter tweets, interviews from members of NPHET with what looks like zero consultation with Government. How can any Government allow this?
Now we have them out vilifying people going to do a days work, and guess what LIVING IN A HOUSE. ‘Covid spreading in the private home’ a headline yesterday - What a joke.

CruelSummer · 19-11-2020 08:27PM

charlie14 wrote: »

NPHET do not have the power to make any decisions. They make recommendations. The decision is up to the government.
Whether you me or anyone else see that decision is up to them. You can view it as incompetence,and it might well be. What it is not is the pushing of an agenda by those of the far right funded by some very unsavory individuals.

Are you joking? NPHET use the media and social media regularly in the run up to ‘reviews’ and updates on our restrictions fate. Including cosy TV and radio interviews. They don’t seem to even have the manners to consult with Government & cabinet before doing this. And they keep spreading fearmongering and hysteria on a daily basis, including false model data from Prof Philip Nolan.

zf0wqv9oemuasj · 19-11-2020 08:30PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1329488918950125569?s=21

Who does this guy think he is? How dare he pull people up for going to work, pay the bills and live their lives..

It is directed at those who can work from home though and who are either being forced in by terrible employers or are bizarrely choosing to go to their offices rather than work from home.

These can still “pay the bills” and so on if working from home. Nobody who can work from home should be going to work at this time or for the foreseeable future.

patnor1011 · 19-11-2020 08:33PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Theres a reason for them being deleted. Bitchute is mostly just for conspiracists who are too wild for youtube. Its a cracking place for a laugh.

I know what is there.
But it is sometimes a case of "Nolite mittere, Man, margerie perlis Among hogges..."

A lot of things were up for laugh until they weren't.
The most recent like Jeffrey E island comes to mind. Just because there is a lot of crap around it does not mean all of it is. If we go by the same logic even covid is funny business with facts taking 180 degree turns with a lot of hmm ahhh we believe, we think, we expect, predict, hope...

CruelSummer · 19-11-2020 08:35PM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

It is directed at those who can work from home though and who are either being forced in by terrible employers or are bizarrely choosing to go to their offices rather than work from home.

These can still “pay the bills” and so on if working from home. Nobody who can work from home should be going to work at this time or for the foreseeable future.

Completely untrue. Many of these companies are announcing cuts and redundancies as we speak. Even big tech has requested from Varadkar a policy on how they can return to their offices. We don’t live on fresh air in Ireland. The IMF just left us less than 10 years ago. How we are allowing ourselves be marched into another bailout with God knows what strings attached is mind boggling.
It is unforgivable and we will soon have major cuts to the Health Service and all services as we cannot afford what we’re currently doing.

bucketybuck · 19-11-2020 08:35PM

I see RTE reporting a Kerry nursing home as being "in chaos".

But enough about those places where the most vulnerable people live and that have been highlighted as a concern since last February, because I heard that some people were drinking outside in Dublin, when are we going to do something about that???

bucketybuck · 19-11-2020 08:37PM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

These can still “pay the bills” and so on if working from home. Nobody who can work from home should be going to work at this time or for the foreseeable future.

Except when it suits you yourself, isn't that right.

walus · 19-11-2020 08:41PM

charlie14 wrote: »

NPHET do not have the power to make any decisions. They make recommendations. The decision is up to the government.
Whether you me or anyone else see that decision is up to them. You can view it as incompetence,and it might well be. What it is not is the pushing of an agenda by those of the far right funded by some very unsavory individuals.

You are right, in theory. In practice the government have abdicated their decision making duties on this to nphet and they happily accepted that. Politicians are spineless these days, either avoid making decisions or keep turning whichever way the wind is blowing. If you leave a void rest assured that someone will fill it.

Make no mistake nphet and Dr, Tony are well aware of the impact their decisions have. They even get air time ffs. Effectively, it is nphet calling the shots on ‘living with COVID’ policy. Period.

zf0wqv9oemuasj · 19-11-2020 08:44PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Except when it suits you yourself, isn't that right.

Hi, Sorry I am not sure what you are referring to here? I posted in the other thread about working from home that I did go to my office for 3 weeks only when numbers were very low and things had opened up in general but other than them limited times I have only been working from my home. my office has been fully closed even at level 3 never mind the level 5.

I also meant to say that in the weeks I did attend my office it was by force from my boss it was not a choice of my own

patnor1011 · 19-11-2020 08:49PM

Thing is that something must give up. It is not possible to finance such large proportions of the population without massive production which will finance it. Production is crippled worldwide and for now, we live on borrowed time when money is created from thin air.

The virus is not going anywhere, there will not be enough vaccines for everyone and if they think that they can hold people scared at the home - it is simply not going to work.

Pretty soon argument will be that we should keep this restriction, masking, distancing regime indefinitely as there still will be too many unvaccinated people.

It is obvious right now that there are not enough reagents to make vaccines for every human on this planet. Not to mention that 2 or more doses are needed...

questionmark? · 19-11-2020 08:58PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Thing is that something must give up. It is not possible to finance such large proportions of the population without massive production which will finance it. Production is crippled worldwide and for now, we live on borrowed time when money is created from thin air.

The virus is not going anywhere, there will not be enough vaccines for everyone and if they think that they can hold people scared at the home - it is simply not going to work.

Pretty soon argument will be that we should keep this restriction, masking, distancing regime indefinitely as there still will be too many unvaccinated people.

It is obvious right now that there are not enough reagents to make vaccines for every human on this planet. Not to mention that 2 or more doses are needed...

If the vaccines promised are accurate they will find a way to produce enough. It might take the whole of next year but they will find a way. Why? Because there is sh1te loads of money to be made from this to not ramp up production.

kippy · 19-11-2020 09:04PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Thing is that something must give up. It is not possible to finance such large proportions of the population without massive production which will finance it. Production is crippled worldwide and for now, we live on borrowed time when money is created from thin air.

The virus is not going anywhere, there will not be enough vaccines for everyone and if they think that they can hold people scared at the home - it is simply not going to work.

Pretty soon argument will be that we should keep this restriction, masking, distancing regime indefinitely as there still will be too many unvaccinated people.

It is obvious right now that there are not enough reagents to make vaccines for every human on this planet. Not to mention that 2 or more doses are needed...

There dont have to be enough vaccines for every human on the planet from day 1.

Some_Person · 19-11-2020 09:04PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Theres a reason for them being deleted. Bitchute is mostly just for conspiracists who are too wild for youtube. Its a cracking place for a laugh.

Funny how you keep attacking ONE of the sites that the video happens to be on instead of what the accredited doctor is saying.

I'll have to upload a video of lockdown Tony on Bitchute so then you'll finally turn on him.

wakka12 · 19-11-2020 09:05PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

It is hosted there as this type of videos questioning official narrative tends to be deleted from places like youtube.
Have a blast while you are laughing it is here too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=uEo3rnU12jw&feature=emb_logo

and by the way you still forgot to state your own medical expertise or credentials since you have no problem to call doctors or professors "mascot" you must have some impressive education and experience yourself. Come on let us awe and take our hats off...

Spoken like a true hardcore tin foil hatter
It's removed because it's dangerous misinformation, is why. So even youtube is in on this conspiracy. So we have the lefties, the media, the hospitals, all world governments )except maybe Belarus), wow, I feel left out I wasnt in on it, seems like everyone heard about the plan but me and you

patnor1011 · 19-11-2020 09:10PM

questionmark? wrote: »

If the vaccines promised are accurate they will find a way to produce enough. It might take the whole of next year but they will find a way. Why? Because there is sh1te loads of money to be made from this to not ramp up production.

They won't though. Nature is against us. One of the ingredients they need for it is found only in the blue blood of certain species of crab. There is simply not enough of it. No matter what you think that can be done there is no alternative to it.

darconio · 19-11-2020 09:12PM

In the meantime in Italy:

There will be no obligation, "for now it is not foreseen", explains Arcuri. "We do not know how many Italians will want to get the vaccine, but we hope to vaccinate an important part of the population in the first half or by the third quarter of 2021".

No obligation, but there will be a sort of driving license: "We are designing an IT platform that will allow you to manage the verification of the administration to know the names of the people who have made the vaccine and where they did it, to follow the traceability of the goods on the territory". On this sort of license or special certificate for vaccinated people, "the Ministry of Health will determine" how it will work.

People will obey like sheep because they are just tired of this situation, but the health passport is real and will be mandatory, mark my words

Hellrazer · 19-11-2020 09:13PM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

It is directed at those who can work from home though and who are either being forced in by terrible employers or are bizarrely choosing to go to their offices rather than work from home.

These can still “pay the bills” and so on if working from home. Nobody who can work from home should be going to work at this time or for the foreseeable future.

Most of the "working" population are below the age that covid kills ie under 65

Over 65s account for 92% of the deaths in this country.

So why shouldn't people of working age be allowed to work.The risk for them is very very small.

Im not going to loose my house over a virus that has little or no chance of killing me and I will continue going to work.

This government has no new ideas...they`ll just churn out the same **** over and over again. By January the 18th we`ll be in another countrywide lockdown.

They need a new idea.

They need no start looking at individual activities / jobs and either allowing them or not. For example Golf - Zero chance of catching covid out in a big open space - allow it.
Rugby match with a lot of person to person contact - stop all activity.

Jobs where there is a lot of person to person contact - stop it.
Jobs where someone is working on their own in an office etc - allow it.

Protect the most vulnerable in society ie the over 65s and those with underlying conditions and let the workers get on with saving the country and economy before we have neither left.

If they did this with every sector and activity we could open up this country and get on with things.

I said it over a month ago that people would start getting pissed off with the level 5 restricitions and 3 should have been given more time and driving to work every day the traffic is increasing every week.

People want a plan and a plan that these muppets can stick to. What happened to "living with covid"?

Went out the window with our 5 point plan that turned into a infinite number of decimal places between plans.

December 1st we`re going to level 2.777759999955555 with a bit of level 4.9995552225558777 thrown in with maybe some level 3.9995544112552 for good measure.

And that's if we`re lucky - these idiots might decide to stick us in lockdown for another 2 weeks.

We need a general election sooner rather than later to give someone a proper mandate and nphet need to be disbanded or just told to shut up and stop giving interviews. At the minute the tail is wagging the dog.

patnor1011 · 19-11-2020 09:13PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Spoken like a true hardcore tin foil hatter
It's removed because it's dangerous misinformation, is why. So even youtube is in on this conspiracy. So we have the lefties, the media, the hospitals, all world governments )except maybe Belarus), wow, I feel left out I wasnt in on it, seems like everyone heard about the plan but me and you

If you do not know how to debate without insulting people then perhaps don't. These catchy but empty words you like to throw around do not work on me other than show intellect of the people who use them.

patnor1011 · 19-11-2020 09:16PM

kippy wrote: »

There dont have to be enough vaccines for every human on the planet from day 1.

Exactly. And now try to make an educated guess of how long till it happens? Like worldwide. Because it won't be day 10 or day 100 and not even day 365.
So we talk about lockdowns and various regimes for the years to come.

copeyhagen · 19-11-2020 09:17PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Spoken like a true hardcore tin foil hatter
It's removed because it's dangerous misinformation, is why. So even youtube is in on this conspiracy. So we have the lefties, the media, the hospitals, all world governments )except maybe Belarus), wow, I feel left out I wasnt in on it, seems like everyone heard about the plan but me and you

did u even watch/listen to it? plus its on youtube still? the comments there say 'this will be removed', but i cant see why it would be?

gives a good insight, again its just an opinion, like everything else here.

Hellrazer · 19-11-2020 09:18PM

kippy wrote: »

There dont have to be enough vaccines for every human on the planet from day 1.

True - we only need enough to protect the most vulnerable in society.
About a 1.4 million doses would do it.
That's enough for all the over 65s to get the 2 doses - I think last census there 650,000 over 65s in the country.

normanoffside · 19-11-2020 09:18PM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

It is directed at those who can work from home though and who are either being forced in by terrible employers or are bizarrely choosing to go to their offices rather than work from home.

What's bizarre about that?
Most people don't actually enjoy spending all their waking hours in one place 7 days a week.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings