Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

19-11-2020 12:18AM

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Infografik_Antigentest_PDF.pdf;jsessionid=A1D785311330BF507400D8E08B1E5F5C.internet101?__blob=publicationFile
German report on the effectiveness of antigen tests from Robert Koch Institute who inform the German Government and on which German policy is based.

If mass testing is done using Antigen then when testing a group of 10,000 people en-masse with 5 people infected in that group of 10,000 then 1 person will slip through and 4 caught. 200 will test false-positive and need to go for PCR test.

mass testing rather than focused tested is what is required to allow people travel home for Christmas.

NPHET don't want even one person slipping in so 9999 people must not book a flight to travel home and see their families this Christmas.

Plumbthedepths · 19-11-2020 12:21AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The ignorance of thinking we'd have a vaccine by September.

Better pass on your observations to Astra Zenica, Pfizer et al.

JP Liz V1 · 19-11-2020 12:25AM

Owen and Bredge Ward, who had been married for 48 years, passed away within hours of each other from COVID-19 on November 16. Both had been diagnosed with the coronavirus in early October.
The Belfast Telegraph reports that four weeks ago, when their conditions deteriorated, the couple had been transferred from Strabane, in Co Tyrone to Altnagelvin Hospital, in Co Derry.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/covid-tyrone-couple-died-within-12-hours

caveat emptor · 19-11-2020 12:25AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Better pass on your observations to Astra Zenica, Pfizer et al.

Did you not say we'd have vaccine by September 2019?

I'm not sure what help it would be to anyone if I were to pass this info on to Zenica and Pfizer. You are derailing as per usual.

I don't know why Paddy got banned, nothing to do with me. I suggest you take it up with the mods rather than trying to label me as a kill joy. Maybe look at eliminating covid if you want to get some joy back.

appledrop · 19-11-2020 12:26AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Infografik_Antigentest_PDF.pdf;jsessionid=A1D785311330BF507400D8E08B1E5F5C.internet101?__blob=publicationFile
German report on the effectiveness of antigen tests from Robert Koch Institute who inform the German Government and on which German policy is based.

If mass testing is done using Antigen then when testing a group of 10,000 people en-masse with 5 people infected in that group of 10,000 then 1 person will slip through and 4 caught. 200 will test false-positive and need to go for PCR test.

mass testing rather than focused tested is what is required to allow people travel home for Christmas.

NPHET don't want even one person slipping in so 9999 people must not book a flight to travel home and see their families this Christmas.

Who do people think it would be safer to meet up with over Christmas. The person from abroad who has been tested and is negative or the kids who have been in classroom of 28 with no masks?

Hmm its a hard one alright.

19-11-2020 12:29AM

I've had someone working in retail in Ireland telling, neigh, ordering me not to travel home. I WFH. sanity has been left at the door.

BringBackMick · 19-11-2020 12:29AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The ignorance of thinking we'd have a vaccine by September.

Youre an intelligent person and people know you from other guises..

Scary to think such blinkered thoughts are around and potentially youre working with them

mcburns07 · 19-11-2020 12:30AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Did you not say we'd have vaccine by September 2019?

I'm not sure what help it would be to anyone if I were to pass this info on to Zenica and Pfizer. You are derailing as per usual.

I don't know why Paddy got banned, nothing to do with me. I suggest you take it up with the mods rather than trying to label me as a kill joy. Maybe look at eliminating covid if you want to get some joy back.

:pac:

Loafing Oaf · 19-11-2020 12:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've had someone working in retail in Ireland telling, neigh, ordering me

Getting up on their high horse eh?:p

bb1234567 · 19-11-2020 12:35AM

Jaysus the global death toll the last few days making the peak back in April look like a baby bump by comparison

19-11-2020 12:36AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Getting up on their high horse eh?:p

They're no stranger to mounting their high horse.

The_Brood · 19-11-2020 12:38AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54995655

b-b-b-but it's not possible, children cannot spread Covid 19.....

Tony and his slaves in the government can tell you tomorrow we are actually all living on Mars right now and it will also not be questioned by anyone in the media, in fact it will be widely accepted as the reasonable and fact-based position.

That's how brainwashed this country is.

Tell me again about why children and schools don't spread the virus?

Eivor · 19-11-2020 12:39AM

Let’s all relax for a minute. We have 2 weeks of level 5 restrictions and then (I’m guessing) another 2 weeks of level 4. Numbers still have a long time to come down even further than they already have

wakka12 · 19-11-2020 12:39AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Lower positivity rate than Ireland but taking appropriate action.

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1329173037657231360

It's a preemptive action to mitigate the inevitable Thanksgiving surge..which looks like it's going to be a pretty frighteningly high death toll for the USA. Obviously a positivity rate of 3% is not high by any standard, consensus puts under 5% as well under control for the time being, but obviously the closer it is to 5% the easier it'll get out of hand. New Yorkers are probably still a bit traumatised from May and doing anything to stop it happening again

Renjit · 19-11-2020 12:40AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Better pass on your observations to Astra Zenica, Pfizer et al.

Pfizer increased the efficiency to 95% after Moderna's claim. Cheeky bastards

caveat emptor · 19-11-2020 12:41AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Youre an intelligent person and people know you from other guises..

Scary to think such blinkered thoughts are around and potentially youre working with them

This is mental. Thanks for thinking I'm intelligent my OH wouldn't agree.

I'm not working with anybody. This is conspiracy theory sh!te. I'm as fed up as the next person. If the zerocovid thing is unworkable. How can we make it workable? Those countries that are able to do it are suffering the least.

We either have a border or we don't. I admit it's really tricky but do a good Friday agreement part deus or something. Who knows it could lead to a united Ireland if it goes well. I don't know. I'm not looking forward to wave 3 that's all.

"Living with the virus" clearly means lots of people dying with it. I'm not for that.

Martina1991 · 19-11-2020 12:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Infografik_Antigentest_PDF.pdf;jsessionid=A1D785311330BF507400D8E08B1E5F5C.internet101?__blob=publicationFile
German report on the effectiveness of antigen tests from Robert Koch Institute who inform the German Government and on which German policy is based.

If mass testing is done using Antigen then when testing a group of 10,000 people en-masse with 5 people infected in that group of 10,000 then 1 person will slip through and 4 caught. 200 will test false-positive and need to go for PCR test.

mass testing rather than focused tested is what is required to allow people travel home for Christmas.

NPHET don't want even one person slipping in so 9999 people must not book a flight to travel home and see their families this Christmas.

Those numbers don't make sense.

If the test is has 80% sensitivity then 20% of people who test negative get a false result.
If it has 98% specificity then 2% of positive cases are false.

So how would they have significantly more false positives than false negatives.

The whole problem with these antigen tests are all the positive cases they miss. You have to have a significant viral load present to get a positive result.

rob316 · 19-11-2020 12:46AM

Eivor wrote: »

Let’s all relax for a minute. We have 2 weeks of level 5 restrictions and then (I’m guessing) another 2 weeks of level 4. Numbers still have a long time to come down even further than they already have

There isn't any difference between 4 and 5.

KrustyUCC · 19-11-2020 12:46AM

Eivor wrote: »

Let’s all relax for a minute. We have 2 weeks of level 5 restrictions and then (I’m guessing) another 2 weeks of level 4. Numbers still have a long time to come down even further than they already have

No chance they will only go down to level 4

Not too much difference on what's open in level 4 than 5

BringBackMick · 19-11-2020 12:48AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This is mental. Thanks for thinking I'm intelligent my OH wouldn't agree.

I'm not working with anybody. This is conspiracy theory sh!te. I'm as fed up as the next person. If the zerocovid thing is unworkable. How can we make it workable? Those countries that are able to do it are suffering the least.

We either have a border or we don't. I admit it's really tricky but do a good Friday agreement part deus or something. Who knows it could lead to a united Ireland if it goes well. I don't know. I'm not looking forward to wave 3 that's all.

"Living with the virus" clearly means lots of people dying with it. I'm not for that.

Ro, we all agree with above but most understand it is unworkable in Ireland.

What we need is to sucker punch the virus to low levels and work on a r below 1 approach

Why did youse not properly sucker punch it? close schools etc for 3 weeks?

19-11-2020 12:48AM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Those numbers don't make sense.

If the test is has 80% sensitivity then 20% of people who test negative get a false result.
If it has 98% specificity then 2% of positive cases are false.

So how would they have significantly more false positives than false negatives.

The whole problem with these antigen tests are all the positive cases they miss. You have to have a significant viral load present to get a positive result.

20% of those 5 people in 10,000 would have slipped through. i.e. 1 in 10000

Plumbthedepths · 19-11-2020 12:50AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Did you not say we'd have vaccine by September 2019?

Can't say I remember saying that, however I don't delete my comments even when I have been shown to be wrong. So I'm sure you can quote me.

Renjit · 19-11-2020 12:51AM

Gardaí investigate alleged abuse of Luas passengers by group not wearing masks

Looks like tin foile hatters harassing sheeples

Peter Flynt · 19-11-2020 12:52AM

Eivor wrote: »

Let’s all relax for a minute. We have 2 weeks of level 5 restrictions and then (I’m guessing) another 2 weeks of level 4. Numbers still have a long time to come down even further than they already have

I doubt Level 5 will end on 1st December.

Even if it does it'll be back to level 3 or 4 . . . which are just level 5 with bells and whistles.

Relative freedom only with level 2 and the present trajectory (which is stalling at 400-500 cases per day) means we are a million miles from that.

Eivor · 19-11-2020 12:54AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

No chance they will only go down to level 4

Not too much difference on what's open in level 4 than 5

I think they’ll go to level 4 and then just down to level 2 over Christmas. Up to level 3 for a while after that. Cases will increase, we’ll go back to level 5 after that and then a vaccine will be distributed among the vulnerable and then back down to level 2 until a wide release of the vaccine. What you reckon my odds would be on paddy power?

BringBackMick · 19-11-2020 12:56AM

Eivor wrote: »

I think they’ll go to level 4 and then just down to level 2 over Christmas. Up to level 3 for a while after that. Cases will increase, we’ll go back to level 5 after that and then a vaccine will be distributed among the vulnerable and then back down to level 2 until a wide release of the vaccine. What you reckon my odds would be on paddy power?

3/7 onn

caveat emptor · 19-11-2020 12:57AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Ro, we all agree with above but most understand it is unworkable in Ireland.

What we need is to sucker punch the virus to low levels and work on a r below 1 approach

Why did youse not properly sucker punch it? close schools etc for 3 weeks?

Yeah fair enough Mick I'm not sure it is unworkable in Ireland. Who's youse? I'd love to sucker punch it. I'm sorry but I don't have the authority to close the schools.

Plumbthedepths · 19-11-2020 12:58AM

Eivor wrote: »

I think they’ll go to level 4 and then just down to level 2 over Christmas. Up to level 3 for a while after that. Cases will increase, we’ll go back to level 5 after that and then a vaccine will be distributed among the vulnerable and then back down to level 2 until a wide release of the vaccine. What you reckon my odds would be on paddy power?

Keep your money.

Loafing Oaf · 19-11-2020 01:00AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

No chance they will only go down to level 4

Not too much difference on what's open in level 4 than 5

That would be kind of the point...

Martina1991 · 19-11-2020 01:02AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

20% of those 5 people in 10,000 would have slipped through. i.e. 1 in 10000

The analytical sensitivity is the ability of a test to detect the target antigen at the minimum detectable concentration i.e. how good the test is at detecting low levels of the virus.

If that particular test has a sensitivity of 80% it means in 20% of cases it wont produce a positive result when it should.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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