Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

caveat emptor · 18-11-2020 05:17PM

Switzerland is the new Sweden. At least they have a sense of humour.

BringBackMick · 18-11-2020 05:17PM

Will Yam wrote: »

That sounds very good news.

I wonder what gloom Tony will spin around it?

Will he take the 9 and a half day average in Tubercurry and say he is concerned?

Well it is still 390 cases so don't worry therell be enough DOOM

BringBackMick · 18-11-2020 05:18PM

One gets the sense if they can sort our situation in Limerick we will be sub 200 cases daily and pos rate around 3% by 1 December

robbiezero · 18-11-2020 05:19PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We still haven't closed the schools. That's clearly the issue now and it's ve been saying it for months.
Problem is money in no.1 for the government son they don't want to close schools.
The government's target is pretty evident and that's to get the numbers low enough so our hospitals don't get overrun and take the risk that kids will be ok.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Will Yam · 18-11-2020 05:22PM

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

390 today, Wednesday is very good considering your theory from last week on the weekend spill over which I agree with.

But if the 390 figure is right then the 7 day average continues to increase?

rob316 · 18-11-2020 05:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We still haven't closed the schools. That's clearly the issue now and it's ve been saying it for months.
Problem is money in no.1 for the government son they don't want to close schools.
The government's target is pretty evident and that's to get the numbers low enough so our hospitals don't get overrun and take the risk that kids will be ok.

Sounds good to me don't be so sentimental.

Level 5 has had the same effect as Level 3 so its been utterly pointless flattening the economy again but it was said over and over it won't go down with schools open.

Will Yam · 18-11-2020 05:29PM

The last thing the govt should do is close the schools

Ficheall · 18-11-2020 05:45PM

growleaves wrote: »

Do you realise that you are smearing consultants in the Mater Hospital, professors in UCD etc.? The doctors and scientists behind this organisation are no more or less of the mainstream than Anthony Staines (DCU), Ronan Glynn, Gerry Killeen (UCC) etc.

Consultants plural in the Mater? It's entirely possible I missed one, but it didn't look to me like Lambert had managed to persuade any of the other 250 consultants listed on the Mater website to sign his petition... Presumably you know of at least one other?

wakka12 wrote: »

Large Danish study finds face masks only reduce chance of infection by 15-20%

1.8% of mask wearing group became infected over the course of the study while 2.1% of the control group contracted COVID

Better than nothing is probably the best you can say about face masks really then, have very limited effect

As has been said almost from the beginning, their purpose is mainly to prevent the wearer spreading the disease to others. If the mask wearers had only interacted with mask-wearers and the non-maskers only with non-maskers, you could perhaps use those results to reasonably conclude a "very limited effect"..
Of course, it acknowledges the shortcomings in the article, which you perhaps neglected to read.

Will Yam · 18-11-2020 05:49PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-facemasks-idUSKBN27Y1YW?taid=5fb5418584ce3a000150fc7c&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Large Danish study finds face masks only reduce chance of infection by 15-20%

1.8% of mask wearing group became infected over the course of the study while 2.1% of the control group contracted COVID

Better than nothing is probably the best you can say about face masks really then, have very limited effect

Don’t let Pat Kenny see this.

He is obsessed with masks and harrumphs endlessly about them.

daydorunrun · 18-11-2020 06:03PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Don’t let Pat Kenny see this.

He is obsessed with masks and harrumphs endlessly about them.

I think they make a lot of people feel safe, untouchable even.

When vaccinations start rolling and things get back to normal there will be quite a few who won’t be able to stop wearing them. T’will be like taking the doodie from a toddler.

seamus · 18-11-2020 06:03PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

One gets the sense if they can sort our situation in Limerick we will be sub 200 cases daily and pos rate around 3% by 1 December

200 cases/day is around 2% positivity rate.

We could potentially be there. Probably not though. Probably closer to 2.5% and still dropping if the next few days holds out.

We don't need to be at 2% by 1st December, we just need to be sure it's going in the right direction.

Will Yam wrote: »

But if the 390 figure is right then the 7 day average continues to increase?

Yes, but the 14-day drops. If they call the full 390.

Could be higher than 390 though, there's never a bad day for bad news.

If they announce 366 again today, the 7-day doesn't change.

wadacrack · 18-11-2020 06:05PM

Long term immunity looks likely for vast majority of cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeJ2BqCFY0

rob316 · 18-11-2020 06:06PM

Will Yam wrote: »

The last thing the govt should do is close the schools

The government should do what they want to do not be pressured by a CMO who has forgotten his place and his media cohorts.

daydorunrun · 18-11-2020 06:08PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Long term immunity looks likely for vast majority of cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeJ2BqCFY0

If that’s the case when the vaccine tools out combined with natural immunity I wonder will that mean countries that are harder hit now will be better off than places like Oz and New Zealand who’s populations will be more at risk if they open up?

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 06:10PM

rob316 wrote: »

Sounds good to me don't be so sentimental.

Level 5 has had the same effect as Level 3 so its been utterly pointless flattening the economy again but it was said over and over it won't go down with schools open.

I think you have a very short memory. Numbers were still rising during level 3, they've fallen during level 5.

They weren't rising as fast in level 3 but still rising. We've plateaud now so we have to find whats keeping us from continuing on a downward trajectory. Hint: Schools.

fred funk }{ · 18-11-2020 06:10PM

Here's a great twitter thread explaining in detail how Covid is being spread in our schools.

https://twitter.com/oliveblogs/status/1328773666872627202?s=09

Wombatman · 18-11-2020 06:11PM

growleaves wrote: »

Do you realise that you are smearing consultants in the Mater Hospital, professors in UCD etc.? The doctors and scientists behind this organisation are no more or less of the mainstream than Anthony Staines (DCU), Ronan Glynn, Gerry Killeen (UCC) etc.

His expert guests were an acupuncturist and a newspaper columnist... right so.

ACitizenErased · 18-11-2020 06:12PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I think you have a very short memory. Numbers were still rising during level 3, they've fallen during level 5.

They weren't rising as fast in level 3 but still rising. We've plateaud now so we have to find whats keeping us from continuing on a downward trajectory. Hint: Schools.

Cases dropping a week into level 5 = level 3.

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 06:12PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Sounds reasonable to me.

Risking children's health sounds reasonable to you?

Wombatman · 18-11-2020 06:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Risking children's health sounds reasonable to you?

The argument to close schools is not really about children's health, it's about schools being a massive vector for transmission.

mloc123 · 18-11-2020 06:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

The government's target is pretty evident and that's to get the numbers low enough so our hospitals don't get overrun and take the risk that kids will be ok.

And that seems to be working just fine... Hospitals are stable, kids are okay... since you are sure it is rampant in schools and yet none of them are ending up in hospital.. or even mildly sick.

robbiezero · 18-11-2020 06:20PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Risking children's health sounds reasonable to you?

Yep.

UrbanFret · 18-11-2020 06:25PM

rob316 wrote: »

The government should do what they want to do not be pressured by a CMO who has forgotten his place and his media cohorts.

Well when the did stand up to them previously the rest of the country went ape ****. I'm no fan of either FG or FF but to say they bowed to pressure from NPHET isn't true, they bowed to Media Pressure.

mloc123 · 18-11-2020 06:27PM

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Here's a great twitter thread explaining in detail how Covid is being spread in our schools.

https://twitter.com/oliveblogs/status/1328773666872627202?s=09

She is obsessed with Covid and schools based on her feed, can't be healthy for her... mind you, same for a whole bunch of people on this thread... spending day after day after day obsessing about things that are out of their control.

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 06:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cases dropping a week into level 5 = level 3.

Again your understanding of things is quite limited. The day you start level 5 is the day it starts to take affect.

After three days you'll notice a difference, a much bigger one after seven days and from ten days onwards you should see the full affect of the new lockdown.

Our positivity rate had fallen by 1% on the 26th October, five days after level 5 lockdown began. A week later it had fallen by another 1.8%. Then it fell by .9% and then by .1%.

What this tells you is that we eliminated a good portion of the problem but not all of it. We have issues in hospitals and the schools are still open. Sort out the hospitals and close the schools and we'll be back where we were in July very quickly.
The reason for this is that outside of idiots there'll be nobody spreading it.

ACitizenErased · 18-11-2020 06:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Again your understanding of things is quite limited. The day you start level 5 is the day it starts to take affect.

After three days you'll notice a difference, a much bigger one after seven days and from ten days onwards you should see the full affect of the new lockdown.

Our positivity rate had fallen by 1% on the 26th October, five days after level 5 lockdown began. A week later it had fallen by another 1.8%. Then it fell by .9% and then by .1%.

What this tells you is that we eliminated a good portion of the problem but not all of it. We have issues in hospitals and the schools are still open. Sort out the hospitals and close the schools and we'll be back where we were in July very quickly.
The reason for this is that outside of idiots there'll be nobody spreading it.

Lockdown works, shock. Numbers began reducing during level 3's effect.

Don't be so condescending, you're not an expert.

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 06:40PM

mloc123 wrote: »

And that seems to be working just fine... Hospitals are stable, kids are okay... since you are sure it is rampant in schools and yet none of them are ending up in hospital.. or even mildly sick.

That's a short term picture you are looking at and hopefully nothing happens but we still don't know the long term consequences of contracting this virus. We already know there is long covid which even asymptomatics are suffering from, and pims which kids are getting.
In 18 months time there could be other stuff happening, hopefully not but we don't know.

It's like this is being treated so differently to other things. I bring up vaping because it's new as an example. Vaping is banned in hospital grounds, there's all sorts of restrictions about it's sale as regards size of bottles and tanks etc.

Now there's no proof of any sort that larger bottles, or bigger tanks or even passive intake of the vapor is unhealthy but these things have all been banned.

With covid we are taking chances with our kids, our elderly and basically everybody. It's the same people making the decisions on these two different topics. Hypocrite is the word that comes to mind.

Non solum non ambulabit · 18-11-2020 06:43PM

mloc123 wrote: »

She is obsessed with Covid and schools based on her feed, can't be healthy for her... mind you, same for a whole bunch of people on this thread... spending day after day after day obsessing about things that are out of their control.

She is using the data to build a picture to suit her agenda to close schools. She is the opposite of the same coin to Ivor Cummings.

Let's leave it to the experts.

No matter how much people want there to be, there is no evidence anywhere in Ireland that shows schools are a problem and need to be closed.

The obsession with closing schools is becoming a joke because there is no evidence. All indicators are falling we are on top of this virus at the moment and schools have been open for 11 or 12 weeks now.

Will Yam · 18-11-2020 06:45PM

seamus wrote: »

200 cases/day is around 2% positivity rate.

If they announce 366 again today, the 7-day doesn't change.

Don’t think thats right.

If they announce 366 again today the 7 day average goes up, becuse the number 7 days ago was 362. So 362 drops out and 366 comes in giving a marginal rise.

Or as might be presented by Dr Tony - a very serious cause for concern.

What Username Guidelines · 18-11-2020 06:49PM

Hearing about a potential outbreak in St Vincent’s with a large number of staff self isolating and awaiting tests. Apparently an entire team out a lot of nurses around the team.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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