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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #9032
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    On the other hand though there's plenty of #thankyoutony sycophants out there who'd offer Holohan their daughters if they thought it'd impress 'the big man in charge '

    I wish these idiots would move to China or some other Country under a Communist regime so they can have their wish of living under a totalitarian state while the rest of us can get on with our lives.


  • #9033
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    GT89 wrote: »
    If there is a large proportion of people who refuse the vaccine what does that tell you? A large amount people think this has all been either grossly exaggerated or is a hoax.

    The people who won't get the vaccine don't care about catching or spreading covid so they will reopen their businnesses, have their events, stop wearing masks, no longer socially distance and will live a normal whilst those that get the vaccine will stay working from home, wearing masks, social distancing etc.

    If the majority get the vaccine which is probably what will happen then life will go back to normal. How do I know this well nearly everyone who uses public transport and goes to shops wears a mask I would it is at least 95% compliance. So if 95% of people will happily wear a mask then it's clear 95% will take a vaccine.

    If more people thought covid was a hoax or exaggerated or wouldn't buy into govt. measures then you'd get way less mask compliance. So my belief is that vaccine take up will be the same as mask compliance ie. 95% unless something majorly changes between and now and mass vaccine rollout.

    You have to wear a mask on public transport or in a shop
    Have to ,no option
    You do not have to take the vaccine
    I will be ,but by choice and not for a few months


  • #9034
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The problem is that there isn't really anyone fitting that description in the party, otherwise Micheal would already be done.

    FG are no better. Many think Coveney is the great hope there, but that lad would be even more dangerous to Ireland what with his sycophantic attitude to Europe and a student of Sutherland's globalist agenda.

    We really are bereft of decent options in this country. SF will be in the driving seat next time out I reckon and that will be even worse for those of us who pay for everything and get almost nothing in return - to say nothing of the negative impact on the FDI we wholly depend on whilst they try to make their United Ireland fantasy come true at all costs.

    I think Jim Callaghan is good, I like him. No bull **** about him


  • #9035
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    rob316 wrote: »
    Tony must be angling for a career in politics after this is over, its the only thing I can think of given his very public image. He has miles too much power, Leo tried to go up against him but failed, Martin has to be the quietest weakest leader I can remember and I thought Enda was about the worst.

    Said it from the start- a Seanad seat where he also can also do nothing and grap some extra pocket money for himself is what this chancer is after


  • #9036
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    TRANQUILLO wrote: »
    They will have the gargle roped off in Tesco if they get their way.

    Yes the Covid puritans would like nothing better tbh


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  • #9037
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    road_high wrote: »
    Yes the Covid puritans would like nothing better tbh

    Considering there's people in the main thread who a couple of weeks ago who were debating how essential it was to buy clothes, I don't see anything changing for a long time


  • #9038
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    Considering there's people in the main thread who a couple of weeks ago who were debating how essential it was to buy clothes, I don't see anything changing for a long time

    I know, that is the level of perniciousness the Covideratti like to indulge in alright. Any normal human being would be able to rationalise that situation properly and conclude how fcukin nuts it all is


  • #9039
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    xl500 wrote: »
    Were you ever in a city-centre pub in Ireland at the weekend you would be more than elbow to elbow

    Have you ever been in a socially distanced pub in Dublin City Centre
    I have and you are far from elbow to elbow


  • #9040
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    road_high wrote: »
    I know, that is the level of perniciousness the Covideratti like to indulge in alright. Any normal human being would be able to rationalise that situation properly and conclude how fcukin nuts it all is

    Was in Cornelscourt Dunnes stores yesterday, they had large areas of clothing and homewares taped off but amusingly they can sell wrapping paper but not the presents to put in the wrapping paper!


  • #9041
    MOH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭MOH


    hmmm wrote: »
    We know that the superspreading events happen in places which are indoors, poorly ventilated and usually with people speaking loudly or shouting. There has been multiple examples worldwide of pubs, restaurants and cafes being sources of mass cases - e.g.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40058144.html
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-college-students-on-a-break-and-middle-aged-people-in-rural-pub-linked-to-large-clusters-1.4369322
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-seventy-cases-in-cork-traced-to-local-pubs-and-restaurants-in-recent-weeks-1.4366678


    I agree with Kermit. Until we get the virus numbers back down to very low levels, it is difficult to see how the government will allow pubs and restaurants to reopen without us having to go back into lockdown a few weeks or short few months later.

    Funny how I keep seeing the same three articles being repeatedly cited in multiple threads as evidence of the myriad cases there are of pubs being a well known source of superspreader events. And two of them are referring to the same incident.
    If anything, that just proves that pubs and restaurants haven't been a major route of infection, since a) there would be dozens such stories instead of the same ones being cited each time, and b) it would hardly warrant a headline in October if the same things had been happening constantly all summer.
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You guys have been saying the same thing since March, the very beginning.

    Always wrong, like all fact free belief systems ;)

    You'd be the expert in being always wrong and fact free beliefs, considering that the actual data shows 0.25% of clusters attributed to pubs


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  • #9042
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Longing wrote: »
    Anything below level 5 we will be looking at over 1000 cases a day after restrictions are eased after two weeks going on the numbers we are seeing daily now. Remember we are only back to our daily numbers we had at the end of September. But has I alluded to last Friday the decrease has stagnated, Government and NHPET will be taking this into account anyways I hope am wrong because Christmas is not the same without seeing family on the day.

    Honest answer required here
    Do you think will not visit or see their family on Christmas day if we are still at level 5 ?
    My daughter is showing her kids the supervalu advertisement every day
    I will see my grandkids on Christmas day whatever the restrictions happen to be
    PS There will be hundreds of thousands like me


  • #9043
    j@utis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭j@utis


    Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »
    Hi, I think that’s a little unfair on me to be honest. I have buckets of sympathy and empathy for anyone who is suffering due to the lockdown and so on but that doesn’t change the fact that on an overall level when viewing the economy that there are many sectors that are not impacted - tech, IT, construction, grocery retail and many others that are not badly hit - financial (accountants and so on), legal, retail with strong online presence, certain hospitality that relied on takeaway anyway) and so on.
    <...>.
    it might sound they're not impacted but if people have lost their jobs or they're income is reduced they might not buy a new phone this year, or a house, if you can't pay your mortgage anymore bank is loosing its profits or if you're business is gone, you won't need the help from an accountant etc. I don't see each sector of economy functioning in isolation, it's all connected and even if there's growth in some sectors the losses in the others are outweigh that greatly.


  • #9044
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    MOH wrote: »
    Funny how I keep seeing the same three articles being repeatedly cited in multiple threads as evidence of the myriad cases there are of pubs being a well known source of superspreader events. And two of them are referring to the same incident.
    If anything, that just proves that pubs and restaurants haven't been a major route of infection, since a) there would be dozens such stories instead of the same ones being cited each time, and b) it would hardly warrant a headline in October if the same things had been happening constantly all summer.



    You'd be the expert in being always wrong and fact free beliefs, considering that the actual data shows 0.25% of clusters attributed to pubs




    But Gaa bars didnt count as part of that!!! Also remember all cases that occur outside the pub because of the one in the pub doesn't count either.
    A certain town i know, in a gaa bar 35 tested positive from a celebration and that spread like wildfire around the town.


  • #9045
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    average_runner wrote: »
    Please explain how you will protect the nursing homes and elderly.
    We don't have the garda numbers ensure pubs and restaurants behave and the courts don't back them anyhow.


    For example, say I am a nurse at nursing home, we open up fully the virus numbers increases to 2000 a day. How do i know for sure I haven't picked it up in a shop, or my partner didn't pick it up working or my son didn't pick it up in a pub?



    How will i know that I don't have the virus before I go to work or before I have to bring a parent to A&E, or do some house work for a parent that is too old to do it all on her own?

    Test every day
    No agency staff moving from home to home
    Put x number of staff to a home and that's it
    If they are surplus on the day so be it


  • #9046
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Just found out Aunt tested positive for Covid. She was at a funeral with 25 people and went to the house afterwards. One of the nephews tested positive and still went to to the funeral. 13 out of 25 now tested positive.

    How stupid can you get


  • #9047
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    brisan wrote: »
    Test every day
    No agency staff moving from home to home
    Put x number of staff to a home and that's it
    If they are surplus on the day so be it




    Alot of the private homes don't have agency staff.
    We can test every day but results are back till the next day which could be too late.
    Surplus staff is an option, will a private business will pay for this and do they have much surplus staff?


    What about deliveries to the place, how do we ensure they don't bring the virus in?


    What about people visiting their love ones in the home?


  • #9048
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    average_runner wrote: »
    Just found out Aunt tested positive for Covid. She was at a funeral with 25 people and went to the house afterwards. One of the nephews tested positive and still went to to the funeral. 13 out of 25 now tested positive.

    How stupid can you get

    Are any of them actually sick?


  • #9049
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    average_runner wrote: »
    Alot of the private homes don't have agency staff.
    We can test every day but results are back till the next day which could be too late.
    Surplus staff is an option, will a private business will pay for this and do they have much surplus staff?


    What about deliveries to the place, how do we ensure they don't bring the virus in?


    What about people visiting their love ones in the home?

    Antigen tests!
    The HSE provide PCR testing to all nursing homes public or private but only once a week/fortnight.

    They could easily but millions of antigen tests, they are very cheap, and provide them to homes.
    They may not be perfect but would catch the majority of Asymptomatic infections


  • #9050
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Are any of them actually sick?

    6 of them are in bed sick, doctor monitoring them. Other 7 are under 45 and only mild symptoms.

    Just it could of been avoided


  • #9051
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Antigen tests!
    The HSE provide PCR testing to all nursing homes public or private but only once a week/fortnight.

    They could easily but millions of antigen tests, they are very cheap, and provide them to homes.
    They may not be perfect but would catch the majority of Asymptomatic infections

    That's good and something that is meant to get rolled out.
    Weakness in the tests is that its 50% reliable but hopefully will improve


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  • #9052
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    average_runner wrote: »
    That's good and something that is meant to get rolled out.
    Weakness in the tests is that its 50% reliable but hopefully will improve

    Good luck with that!

    Good news: The EU have approved antigen tests as of today

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329046305495261190

    Bad news: Michael martin tells the dail that Our Public Health Authorties 'are not convinced'

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329053445576388608


  • #9053
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Good luck with that!

    Good news: The EU have approved antigen tests as of today

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329046305495261190

    Bad news: Michael martin tells the dail that Our Public Health Authorties 'are not convinced'

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329053445576388608


    But what’s behind this? Have we no money left to pay for antigen tests, have contracts been signed for PCR tests supply difficult to wriggle out of?

    Can’t understand why they can’t be employed as another tool in the box.

    PCR up to 30% false negative and antigen tests up to 50% - Surely the difference is compensated by faster, cheaper test and results.


  • #9054
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    But what’s behind this? Have we no money left to pay for antigen tests, have contracts been signed for PCR tests supply difficult to wriggle out of?

    Either NPHET are completely incapable of looking outside their own box or if you're cynical, maybe they don't want to find solutions that don't involve lockdown?


  • #9055
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Either NPHET are completely incapable of looking outside their own box or if you're cynical, maybe they don't want to find solutions that don't involve lockdown?

    Certainly all of the above and more


  • #9056
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Either NPHET are completely incapable of looking outside their own box or if you're cynical, maybe they don't want to find solutions that don't involve lockdown?


    The cynic in me says that they want cases to remain high in order to stay relevant... but not too high where they get the blame for all the overrun hospitals which we haven't seen!! Just a thought!


  • #9057
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,219 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I've a bad feeling that when the first week in December arrives the bould Tony will have more excuses as to why things should remain locked up.

    Hope I'm wrong.


  • #9058
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    I've a bad feeling that when the first week in December arrives the bould Tony will have more excuses as to why things should remain locked up.

    Hope I'm wrong.

    God that’s well under way for weeks now already!


  • #9059
    [Deleted User]
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Good luck with that!

    Good news: The EU have approved antigen tests as of today

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329046305495261190

    Bad news: Michael martin tells the dail that Our Public Health Authorties 'are not convinced'

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1329053445576388608

    Hilarious, this crowd are running with everything the WHO say and do and when the EU give the go ahead, the arms are folded and it's NO from the judges and Ireland and England are in this weeks dance off!! :D


  • #9060
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    I've a bad feeling that when the first week in December arrives the bould Tony will have more excuses as to why things should remain locked up.

    Hope I'm wrong.

    Its best to expect the worst.


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  • #9061
    [Deleted User]
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    average_runner wrote: »
    Just found out Aunt tested positive for Covid. She was at a funeral with 25 people and went to the house afterwards. One of the nephews tested positive and still went to to the funeral. 13 out of 25 now tested positive.

    How stupid can you get

    you say that, a Garda took a test, told nobody and went on about his daily duties.
    He was present in a full courtroom when he got the positive news!!
    The judge was fuming and all and sundry had to self isolate...

    It seems stupidity does not discriminate, this guy could well have pulled you and I over and given us a fine for breaching guidelines.
    In the same way that judge could give you a short prison term whilst he will be fine having blatantly broke health laws, albeit temporary ones
    to play golf with big phil and the likes.


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