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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8972
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    brisan wrote: »
    Central Banks the world over do not agree with you but I hope you are right

    Well according to some around here there's millions of people with loads in savings ready to charge in like the cavalry to spend it all.


  • #8973
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    brisan wrote: »
    In D3 and D5 no checkpoints
    Drove from Killester to Crumlin and back at 3 in the day and no sign of checkpoints

    Some people see everyone obeying the lockdown and Garda checkpoints on every corner. It's amazing what you can see from behind your curtain.


  • #8974
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I mean, technically They didn't increase tax rates after the last recession,
    Just brought in new taxes (USC and tax on pension funds) and changed bands on existing taxes


  • #8975
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/policing-a-ban-on-street-drinking-a-non-runner-say-garda%C3%AD-1.4411884

    The Gardaí turning the knife on the knee-jerk, curtain-twitcher calls to ban takeaway pints (which is exactly what it was), to heap further embarrassment on the government and the covhysterics.

    I particularly enjoyed this quote;

    There is zero chance of Restrictions being relaxed. Tony H and crew are already working on the fear to ensure it doesnt.

    If ever you needed evidence of this its the fiasco as per above.

    Gobsh1t politicians falling over themselves in a panic to change the laws of the land cos a few people were shown on a twitter video having a few drinks in public.

    Think about it for a minute! Talk about the tail wagging the dog, NPHET prey upon and amplify a twitter video declaring "more concerns" and politicians fall over themselves to change the laws of the land in a panic.

    No chance of NPHET relaxing any restrictions and following the pathetic excercise of panic on display this week over a twitter video theres no chance of the government going against them


  • #8976
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    the kelt wrote: »
    There is zero chance of Restrictions being relaxed. Tony H and crew are already working on the fear to ensure it doesnt.

    If ever you needed evidence of this its the fiasco as per above.

    Gobsh1t politicians falling over themselves in a panic to change the laws of the land cos a few people were shown on a twitter video having a few drinks in public.

    Think about it for a minute! Talk about the tail wagging the dog, NPHET prey upon and amplify a twitter video declaring "more concerns" and politicians fall over themselves to change the laws of the land in a panic.

    No chance of NPHET relaxing any restrictions and following the pathetic excercise of panic on display this week over a twitter video theres no chance of the government going against them

    TBF it seems that it was Mammy Martin who led the charge against takeaway pints and FG and the Greens saw to it that he didn't get out of the blocks. Sadly, in all of this, he has turned out to be as bad as predicted. It would be nice to see a night of long knives in FF and O'Callaghan take over.


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  • #8977
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    brisan wrote: »
    In D3 and D5 no checkpoints
    Drove from Killester to Crumlin and back at 3 in the day and no sign of checkpoints

    Drove from Kilmainham to Shankill and back yesterday lunchtime, no checkpoints


  • #8978
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    brisan wrote: »
    The bit in bold is what I have an issue with
    The nursing homes are suffering because of NPHETs expert technical guidance

    So are Hospitals.
    221 staff self isolating in limerick hospital. Several patients infected driving up hospital numbers 'with covid'[.
    88 Staff in Naas the same and they are being forced to come back early due to staff shortages.
    Same thing happening in Letterkenny, Dundalk and Drogheda.

    As usual NPHET and the HSE are making a balls of things and actually driving up our numbers but instead of admitting any shortcomings on their own behalf they prefer to sneer at the public and deflect attention.


  • #8979
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    the kelt wrote: »
    There is zero chance of Restrictions being relaxed. Tony H and crew are already working on the fear to ensure it doesnt.

    If ever you needed evidence of this its the fiasco as per above.

    Gobsh1t politicians falling over themselves in a panic to change the laws of the land cos a few people were shown on a twitter video having a few drinks in public.

    Think about it for a minute! Talk about the tail wagging the dog, NPHET prey upon and amplify a twitter video declaring "more concerns" and politicians fall over themselves to change the laws of the land in a panic.

    No chance of NPHET relaxing any restrictions and following the pathetic excercise of panic on display this week over a twitter video theres no chance of the government going against them
    On the face of what you say above from an optics and performance thus far standpoint. I agree with you 100%. nphet will dig the heels in as a milestone. If you can restrict at xmas then the whole 2021 is gravy and thet know it.


  • #8980
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    rusty cole wrote: »
    On the face if what you say above from an optics and performance thus far standpoint. I agree with you 100%. nphet will dig the heels in as a milestone. If you can restrict at xmas then the whole 2021 is gravy and thet know it.

    The majority of people are going to have a good Christmas regardless of NPHET.


  • #8981
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    This is not wishful thinking. Rolling lockouts can be avoided by pitching the level of restrictions correctly.

    We can avoid future L5 type restrictions by designing a variant L3 that will maintain an R0 at or slightly below 1. Relaxations of that will than happen through the course of the year according to the vaccine rollout programme.

    This is now the plan. It will enable the producing sectors of the economy to avoid future closures, schools to remain open, and limited travel and small group social activities to resume in due course.

    You are typing pure and utter bull****e at this stage
    You have gone beyond a parody account at this stage
    if you are going to be a WUM then you should do some research in how to do it properly
    I have seen some experts in the field of WUMMERY in other sports forum and they would put you to shame
    We will not avoid further lockdowns because a large minority will ignore them and they will become ineffective .but NPHET have no other weapons in their
    arsenal
    You have been asked this before on numerous occasions and have refused to answer
    How do you know the plan ??


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  • #8982
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    GT89 wrote: »
    lf the majority get the vaccine which is probably what will happen then life will go back to normal. How do I know this well nearly everyone who uses public transport and goes to shops wears a mask I would it is at least 95% compliance. So if 95% of people will happily wear a mask then it's clear 95% will take a vaccine.

    If more people thought covid was a hoax or exaggerated or wouldn't buy into govt. measures then you'd get way less mask compliance. So my belief is that vaccine take up will be the same as mask compliance ie. 95% unless something majorly changes between and now and mass vaccine rollout.

    95% (your number) of people are wearing masks because they are being forced to. They're not 'happily' wearing a mask. They risk the possibility of being fined for not wearing one. It's quite the leap to think that those same 95% will take a vaccine...unless it's going to be mandatory.

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  • #8983
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    brisan wrote: »
    Anyone with property ,a pension fund or large savings should be worried
    One thing is certain ,we will not see a penny of Apples 13 billion

    Yea- a narrative I did pick up on was that people still working are saving a lot and the state is “missing out on that revenue “ or words to that effect.


  • #8984
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    So Minister it appears that people no longer fear this 'deadly virus'.
    Ministerial Advisor: Maybe we should pump "long covid" more? I heard of a lad posting on twitter who has to drink extra strong coffee 6 months after having covid as he says average strength no longer does it for him?

    Minister: Can we not use the data to highlight how serious covid is?

    Ministerial Advisor: People have copped the data, we're trying to figure out a way to amend the HSPC reporting format.

    Minister: Damnit! Alright, we'll pump long covid for now. But we need something better than weak/strong coffee.

    Ministerial Advisor: Leave it with me.

    / The Next Day

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/long-covid-dubliner-sense-smell-19283027
    Man who permanently lost sense of smell due to long COVID has to put peppers in porridge to taste it


  • #8985
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    Well according to some around here there's millions of people with loads in savings ready to charge in like the cavalry to spend it all.

    Absolutely dead right, money aplenty out there. I wonder how many "Syrians" I could get into a two bedroom flat? Surely ten. I think it is high time I became a landlord like my friends in the civil service.


  • #8986
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    polesheep wrote: »
    TBF it seems that it was Mammy Martin who led the charge against takeaway pints and FG and the Greens saw to it that he didn't get out of the blocks. Sadly, in all of this, he has turned out to be as bad as predicted. It would be nice to see a night of long knives in FF and O'Callaghan take over.

    Actually far worse than I thought he’d be. Far more afraid of his own shadow than I assumed. He did get the memo that he’s now the Taoiseach right?


  • #8987
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    road_high wrote: »
    You said a “fully open country is not the answer”. What else can one conclude then other than you do believe lockdowns are the answer as they are the exact same thing!

    Who has managed a fully open country bar New Zealand?


  • #8988
    TRANQUILLO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    The only way we get out of this and I mean fully out of this , is to recalibrate our attitudes to the numbers.

    I could give a fiddlers if its a million cases a day once lockdown ends. Cases mean nothing at this stage.

    Send everyone for a dental check up and we will have an epidemic of tooth decay. Most of them will have had no tooth pains or discomfort.

    We have been browbeaten into a new paradigm. Its total nonsense.



    If this was 1985 all we would hear about is a bad dose going around.


  • #8989
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    brisan wrote: »
    Anyone with property ,a pension fund or large savings should be worried
    One thing is certain ,we will not see a penny of Apples 13 billion

    And we shouldn't. We got a lot more indirectly from them


  • #8990
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    TRANQUILLO wrote: »
    The only way we get out of this and I mean fully out of this , is to recalibrate our attitudes to the numbers.

    I could give a fiddlers if its a million cases a day once lockdown ends. Cases mean nothing at this stage.

    Send everyone for a dental check up and we will have an epidemic of tooth decay. Most of them will have had no tooth pains or discomfort.

    We have been browbeaten into a new paradigm. Its total nonsense.



    If this was 1985 all we would hear about is a bad dose going around.

    So if as a result of this approach is hospitals shut down for a few years to deal with it, you are ok?


  • #8991
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patience is seriously running out now- usually a lot more measured in any criticism;

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/ibec-chief-slams-nphet-for-repeated-pattern-of-kite-flying-leading-to-knee-jerk-decisions-and-calls-for-end-to-level-5/ar-BB1b7SI8?ocid=ientp


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  • #8992
    zf0wqv9oemuasj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭zf0wqv9oemuasj


    brisan wrote: »
    Compassion and empathy are not your strong points
    So 600,000 who work in retail ,tourism and hospitality are just certain sections of society
    Christ on a bike ,I hope you never get elected to power

    Hi, I think that’s a little unfair on me to be honest. I have buckets of sympathy and empathy for anyone who is suffering due to the lockdown and so on but that doesn’t change the fact that on an overall level when viewing the economy that there are many sectors that are not impacted - pharma, manufacturing, tech, IT, construction, grocery retail and many others that are not badly hit - financial (accountants and so on), legal, retail with strong online presence, certain hospitality that relied on takeaway anyway) and so on.

    When you compare with last recessions this is quite a different picture. There is also the key point that many of the current jobs are paused not lost - ok current income is down but once things open up the majority of folks are straight back to work.

    Lockdowns might be better for some than others (I would include myself in that) but I still don’t like them and long for being able to get back to normal, meet friends, eat in a restaurant, and so on but there is no value in doing any of this when it’s unsafe which most folks feel it is at the moment.


  • #8993
    brisan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    arctictree wrote: »
    Why do you think that when a vaccine will be available in the new year?

    Roughly 2.5 % of the population will be vaccinated in the first batch
    How long will it take for 8-10 million batches to be made available to Ireland


  • #8994
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    brisan wrote: »
    Plenty of pubs doing takeaway pints that you bring home in the suburbs
    Its only in the city centre people are drinking in the streets

    That is absolute nonsense. I've been drinking on the streets since the end of the summer. It was the beach and local harbour during the summer. And i'm well out from the city centre.


  • #8995
    TRANQUILLO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    average_runner wrote: »
    So if as a result of this approach is hospitals shut down for a few years to deal with it, you are ok?

    yep. not buying that rubbish anymore.


  • #8996
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,812 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Decided to pop my head into the ireland subreddit last night and was surprised to see a lot of people say they were sick of the condescending tone from the government, sick of being treated like school kids and how they're just losing people now. Master Holohan was getting a lot of **** in the replies on his "I'm VERY concerned" spiel on twitter too. Tides turning hopefully.


  • #8997
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    So after the kite flying ends this week and they sit down with Dr. Tony it will be:

    Level 3+ from NPHET
    vs
    Level 3 from Govt
    vs
    Level 2 from the public


    Mehole would take level 3 no doubt if there was no uproar but the public have decided and FG and Greens know they will get hit in the ballot box so it's level 2.


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  • #8998
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    Decided to pop my head into the ireland subreddit last night and was surprised to see a lot of people say they were sick of the condescending tone from the government, sick of being treated like school kids and how they're just losing people now. Master Holohan was getting a lot of **** in the replies on his "I'm VERY concerned" spiel on twitter too. Tides turning hopefully.

    Leo tried it weeks ago and was lambasted.


  • #8999
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Leo tried it weeks ago and was lambasted.

    Yeah I fear that was our chance but the Cult of COVID put a stop to that straight away. No one is going to put themselves out there again least of all Pseudo Taoiseach Martin.


  • #9000
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/you-can-t-furlough-an-elephant-dublin-zoo-facing-covid-19-cash-crisis-1.4412403?mode=amp

    Dublin Zoo as good as gone.

    Luckily if anyone wants to see 40 monkeys they broadcast an update everyday at teatime


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  • #9001
    SNNUS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1328791084068204545?s=19

    Wow look at the comments, the fawning public is dwindling. It can be level 10 now but people rightly don't care and will get on with life.


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