Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

weldoninhio · 17-11-2020 02:48PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

People come in every form, but I don't know a single person in my circle who's idea of fun is standing outside on a November's night, drinking €6 guinness from a plastic container, hoping my piss doesnt freeze before it hits the side wall of gogan's......

I meet my friends for an hour or two every Friday night and we have a few pints in the park across the road from the pub and a catchup. Normally about 20-30 of us aged from 30-50 i'd say. Weather has been extremely mild since summer ended. Pints of Guinness only €4.50. If we need to use the loo, the pub owner lets us in to use the facilities, although that's extremely rare because we aren't there that long. It's a novelty at the moment, and pints are a lot nicer than cans of Guinness. Place is left spotless when we leave.

I don't see any issue with it whatsoever. Gardai have often driven by and not said/done anything. Was the same during the summer when we all used to drink cans on the harbour. Once the place is left clean after you, I don't see what the issue is.

17-11-2020 02:53PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

People come in every form, but I don't know a single person in my circle who's idea of fun is standing outside on a November's night, drinking €6 guinness from a plastic container, hoping my piss doesnt freeze before it hits the side wall of gogan's......

Sure, in a normal year no. When the alternative is to sit at home not seeing anyone for the 10th weekend in a row, get me outside Grogans in some warm clothes.

saabsaab · 17-11-2020 03:42PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I meet my friends for an hour or two every Friday night and we have a few pints in the park across the road from the pub and a catchup. Normally about 20-30 of us aged from 30-50 i'd say. Weather has been extremely mild since summer ended. Pints of Guinness only €4.50. If we need to use the loo, the pub owner lets us in to use the facilities, although that's extremely rare because we aren't there that long. It's a novelty at the moment, and pints are a lot nicer than cans of Guinness. Place is left spotless when we leave.

I don't see any issue with it whatsoever. Gardai have often driven by and not said/done anything. Was the same during the summer when we all used to drink cans on the harbour. Once the place is left clean after you, I don't see what the issue is.

Sounds fine, outdoors and all as long as people are sensible and keep a bit of personal distance.

hynesie08 · 17-11-2020 04:19PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I meet my friends for an hour or two every Friday night and we have a few pints in the park across the road from the pub and a catchup. Normally about 20-30 of us aged from 30-50 i'd say. Weather has been extremely mild since summer ended. Pints of Guinness only €4.50. If we need to use the loo, the pub owner lets us in to use the facilities, although that's extremely rare because we aren't there that long. It's a novelty at the moment, and pints are a lot nicer than cans of Guinness. Place is left spotless when we leave.

I don't see any issue with it whatsoever. Gardai have often driven by and not said/done anything. Was the same during the summer when we all used to drink cans on the harbour. Once the place is left clean after you, I don't see what the issue is.

I have no issue with the concept of outdoor drinking, canal cans is my favourite thing, but Saturday night was a miserable night by any standards, and I just don't see the appeal on a night like that.

weldoninhio · 17-11-2020 04:52PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Sounds fine, outdoors and all as long as people are sensible and keep a bit of personal distance.

Thats it, but you still get people glaring at you as if you're slaughtering their family pet in front of them.

There's another pub up the road that sponsors the local GAA team. One of the GAA lads has a house directly opposite with a huge front garden, so the lads used to go down, get a few pints and have them in the garden. Someone got onto the local Facebook page to have a go at them. He was roundly told to F off by the majority of locals on the page. He then tried to claim he was doing it for the good of the pub and it's owners reputation, until the owner retorted that he had been in the garden having a pint with the lads at the time

:p:p All socially distant and all cleaned up afterwards (you're not gonna leave your mates garden in a mess).

vafankillar · 17-11-2020 05:30PM

a lot of people keep saying we can't do level 3 cos nobody cos ireland's too cold for outside dining, well this has clearly proven that wrong lol.

and more pubs with 15 outside and seating is certainly safer than big massive crowds on top of each other pissing in the streets

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 17-11-2020 05:58PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1117/1178635-coronavirus-ireland/

It's good to see that publicans are starting to come around to the reality that the real villains here are the "few" idiots ruining it for everyone else.

It's been this way since the start. If these people could only behave themselves, we'd be able to enjoy the pub and we'd all be grand. Not the case though!

Talking out of your hat as usual. The people drinking OUTSIDE didn't "ruin it for anyone", the government shut them down on advice from NPHET.

Do you know how many cases due to pubs in this country has links to covid? 0.3. That's how many. I'll say it again.

0.3

These people are having a few drinks OUTSIDE, the people who "ruined it for everyone" are the government.

Flatten the curve, more like flatten the economy.

PTH2009 · 17-11-2020 07:33PM

More or so the idea of opening for 2 weeks is not going down well with Publicans. A lot of publicans seem to be stating that 'they worry for old Jimmy etc, who lives alone and likes to go for his few pints. They say 'they worry esp for him for Christmas'

TBH there was nothing wrong with the level 2 openings other then it could be tricky to get somewhere and the early closes were a killer. What cases came from them ?? SFA and they were closed just because 'there a spreader of the virus' by these experts

So will all the other EU/UK countries lose their pubs for December ?? will they ****

hynesie08 · 17-11-2020 07:44PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

More or so the idea of opening for 2 weeks is not going down well with Publicans. A lot of publicans seem to be stating that 'they worry for old Jimmy etc, who lives alone and likes to go for his few pints. They say 'they worry esp for him for Christmas'

TBH there was nothing wrong with the level 2 openings other then it could be tricky to get somewhere and the early closes were a killer. What cases came from them ?? SFA and they were closed just because 'there a spreader of the virus' by these experts

So will all the other EU/UK countries lose their pubs for December ?? will they ****

https://mobile.twitter.com/bponsot/status/1328732647414259712

France closing bars till mid January, or does that not count???

vafankillar · 17-11-2020 07:46PM

saying they're not interested in opening up for christmas is mostly a bargaining tool, sure look at the amount of them open in level 5. I saw at least one pub on tweet sharing that argument also posting that they're open for take away pints right now in level 5 lol.

there may not be evidence that pubs are hotspots for the virus but in reality there is a huge lack of evidence in pinpointing exactly where the virus is spreading in many cases and situations. it's often not just isolating particular activicties themselves but the overall increased activity with lowering restrictions.

wasn't it only recently we got evidence of a few flights that spread numbers of the virus here? after months of people saying there was no evidence and people coming in and out of the country

17-11-2020 07:52PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/bponsot/status/1328732647414259712

France closing bars till mid January, or does that not count???

Maybe a little easier to do when most countries didnt make them close for the majority of the year.

Our cases rose at the same time as all the other countries despite the fact that we left sectors of our economy closes until August(without food).

That was the one issue with our lockdown that was proven to be completely wrong. So it's easier in Europe to ask for them to close for another few weeks since they've operated for a long periods already.

vafankillar · 17-11-2020 09:36PM

Enzo Narrow Tannery wrote: »

loads of evidence based studies say bars/restaurants are most dangerous setting. No guidance on how they could make them safer though. Its dreadful from NPHET .

evidence that their setting has potential or evidence that they have actually spread the virus?

just seems to be huge amounts of confirmation bias on either side, depending on whether someone wants pubs open or remain shut.

i don't believe there is evidence they have spread the virus, but believe they have huge potential to, or might have done so without links between directly founded in tracing. which is why I do think caution is best.

MrStuffins · 17-11-2020 09:42PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Do you know how many cases due to pubs in this country has links to covid? 0.3. That's how many. I'll say it again.

0.3

Wait, less than one third of a case was linked to pubs? So if 30% of this one case was linked to pubs, where did the other 70% come from?

I had no idea that could break up a single case like that. Modern science eh?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 17-11-2020 10:08PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Wait, less than one third of a case was linked to pubs? So if 30% of this one case was linked to pubs, where did the other 70% come from?

I had no idea that could break up a single case like that. Modern science eh?

Percent. And you know it.

0.3%

Spanish Eyes · 17-11-2020 10:11PM

Lately, I was rightly told off for suggesting that outdoor dining and drinking could be done here.

The weather, the rain, the cold, OMG. But it just shows, it is doable.

Will enjoy the day when outdoor stuff is the norm rather than being stuck inside in a Covid petrie dish.

vafankillar · 17-11-2020 10:42PM

Enzo Narrow Tannery wrote: »

They have spread the virus. I want them to open as much as next person but those in charge are making their lives difficult but not telling them how to make the buildings safer with better air quality. Gyms+Nursing homes similar.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

you the link you provided isn't given evidence they have spread the virus in ireland.

i'm not even saying you're wrong in your position, but if you look at the evidence collected of what settings have been proven to spread the virus here, pubs and restaurants aren't high on the lists.

MrStuffins · 17-11-2020 11:10PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Percent. And you know it.

0.3%

Yup! And why is this? Because of the restrictions! Imagine there's been no restrictions. Who knows how high that number could have gotten?

I'm all for opening the pubs with the same or similar restrictions than before. The figure above shows what a success the strategy was!!

MelbourneMan · 17-11-2020 11:19PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Percent. And you know it.

0.3%

Proof positive there, if I may point it out, of how effective the closing of, and restrictions imposed on pubs have been. It is highly effective measure, with no downstream consequential negative. There simply is no rational justification for opening them at all. The gesture of take-out service is more trouble, even from a perception point of view than is worth it, and should also be closed off.

stephenjmcd · 17-11-2020 11:30PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Proof positive there, if I may point it out, of how effective the closing of, and restrictions imposed on pubs have been. It is highly effective measure, with no downstream consequential negative. There simply is no rational justification for opening them at all. The gesture of take-out service is more trouble, even from a perception point of view than is worth it, and should also be closed off.

You understand the figure quoted is from while they were open yes ?

Would suggest the measures that were in place when restaurants opened in June and pubs in September were proving effective.

MelbourneMan · 17-11-2020 11:58PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You understand the figure quoted is from while they were open yes ?

Would suggest the measures that were in place when restaurants opened in June and pubs in September were proving effective.

I do. 'they' refers to a small percentage of openings though. Considering wet pubs, pubs in Dublin and at times other counties, the periods in which all pubs have been takeout only, and those for whom it was uneconomic to operate even while technically permissible to do so, 'open' adds up to very little. Hence the very low number of cases. While being fully sensitive to the impact on business and livelyhoods of many thousands working in the sector, the impact on transmission suppression has undeniably been very effective.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-11-2020 12:01AM

Can we change the thread title?

"Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out until Jan 2026"

thx

MelbourneMan · 18-11-2020 12:06AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can we change the thread title?

"Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out until Jan 2026"

thx

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

MrStuffins · 18-11-2020 12:13AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You understand the figure quoted is from while they were open yes ?

Would suggest the measures that were in place when restaurants opened in June and pubs in September were proving effective.

So they only counted the cases from September and ignored pubs being open before that? Is that right?

growleaves · 18-11-2020 12:15AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

It hits two of the nerves of the lockdown: employment and socialising.

If it were only drunks who wanted pubs open it wouldn't be such a live issue.

stephenjmcd · 18-11-2020 12:17AM

MrStuffins wrote: »

So they only counted the cases from September and ignored pubs being open before that? Is that right?

What ??

Your asking me how public health allocate cases to a category, how am I supposed to know, did they count pubs open as restaurants as pubs or restaurants from June ? is a bar attached to a hotel a hotel or a pub outbreak, I dont know.

Either way its a small number whatever way it was counted.

Email and ask the HPSC if you want

Cork2021 · 18-11-2020 12:19AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

Your narrative is seriously tiresome.

Have a break have a kitkat and when you come back you can go to each individual pub owner and employees of said pubs and tell them their businesses and livelihoods are trivial. Oh and while your at it go to each individual tax payer and tell them how much money this will all cost them and future generations, due to the incompetence of NPHET, HSE and the government from not protecting care homes and not having proper procedures in our hospitals to stop the spread of Covid into the community..

giveitholly · 18-11-2020 12:20AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

December 2021,jaysus I have read some fair shoite on this forum but this tops it all

hynesie08 · 18-11-2020 12:21AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

There comes a moment when gimmick posters jump the shark, yours was 209 posts ago.

Aph2016 · 18-11-2020 12:25AM

Open the pubs.

MrStuffins · 18-11-2020 12:29AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You understand the figure quoted is from while they were open yes ?

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your asking me how public health allocate cases to a category

Sorry, I assumed from the tone of the top post you knew what you were talking about.

My mistake!

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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