Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

a lot of people keep saying we can't do level 3 cos nobody cos ireland's too cold for outside dining, well this has clearly proven that wrong lol.

and more pubs with 15 outside and seating is certainly safer than big massive crowds on top of each other pissing in the streets

More or so the idea of opening for 2 weeks is not going down well with Publicans. A lot of publicans seem to be stating that 'they worry for old Jimmy etc, who lives alone and likes to go for his few pints. They say 'they worry esp for him for Christmas'

TBH there was nothing wrong with the level 2 openings other then it could be tricky to get somewhere and the early closes were a killer. What cases came from them ?? SFA and they were closed just because 'there a spreader of the virus' by these experts

So will all the other EU/UK countries lose their pubs for December ?? will they ****

saying they're not interested in opening up for christmas is mostly a bargaining tool, sure look at the amount of them open in level 5. I saw at least one pub on tweet sharing that argument also posting that they're open for take away pints right now in level 5 lol.

there may not be evidence that pubs are hotspots for the virus but in reality there is a huge lack of evidence in pinpointing exactly where the virus is spreading in many cases and situations. it's often not just isolating particular activicties themselves but the overall increased activity with lowering restrictions.

wasn't it only recently we got evidence of a few flights that spread numbers of the virus here? after months of people saying there was no evidence and people coming in and out of the country

Enzo Narrow Tannery wrote: »

loads of evidence based studies say bars/restaurants are most dangerous setting. No guidance on how they could make them safer though. Its dreadful from NPHET .

evidence that their setting has potential or evidence that they have actually spread the virus?


just seems to be huge amounts of confirmation bias on either side, depending on whether someone wants pubs open or remain shut.

i don't believe there is evidence they have spread the virus, but believe they have huge potential to, or might have done so without links between directly founded in tracing. which is why I do think caution is best.

Enzo Narrow Tannery wrote: »

They have spread the virus. I want them to open as much as next person but those in charge are making their lives difficult but not telling them how to make the buildings safer with better air quality. Gyms+Nursing homes similar.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

you the link you provided isn't given evidence they have spread the virus in ireland.

i'm not even saying you're wrong in your position, but if you look at the evidence collected of what settings have been proven to spread the virus here, pubs and restaurants aren't high on the lists.

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

It hits two of the nerves of the lockdown: employment and socialising.

If it were only drunks who wanted pubs open it wouldn't be such a live issue.

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

Your narrative is seriously tiresome.

Have a break have a kitkat and when you come back you can go to each individual pub owner and employees of said pubs and tell them their businesses and livelihoods are trivial. Oh and while your at it go to each individual tax payer and tell them how much money this will all cost them and future generations, due to the incompetence of NPHET, HSE and the government from not protecting care homes and not having proper procedures in our hospitals to stop the spread of Covid into the community..

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I think generally open for December 2021 would be a reasonably ambitious, yet realistic and hopeful target. The mistake of opening them, even with limitations will not be attempted again until there is a confirmed effect of a vaccination programme. Its extraordinary they pubs are occupying the media space they do at the moment. The question is trivial in the context of the overall economy, virus struggle, and general impact on society. Sometimes Ireland really does seem to ask for the stereotype it criticises when reflected back from the outside.

There comes a moment when gimmick posters jump the shark, yours was 209 posts ago.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You understand the figure quoted is from while they were open yes ?

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your asking me how public health allocate cases to a category

Sorry, I assumed from the tone of the top post you knew what you were talking about.

My mistake!

MrStuffins wrote: »

So, you condescended to the poster, without actually knowing what you're talking about? Strange!

If people are going to throw around figures, or back up figures thrown around by others, the least they can do is know what they're on about.

I remember there was an article back in Sept stating that 1 in 5 cases in Cork were related to pubs. That would be much higher than the 0.3% claimed earlier in the thread.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40056458.html

Ya know what I'm not even going to bother. Its like banging your head off a brick wall to try and even have some sort of reasonable conversation with you before you try and twist words around.

The category of public house under the HPSC data accounts of 0.3% of Irelands total notified clusters while restaurants account of 0.5%. If you've an issue with it take it up with the HPSC and ask them for their reporting mechanism & definitions, this is the data they provide.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_web_version_Week452020_10112020_v1.0.pdf