Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

kippy wrote: »

However it's very very obvious from the case numbers that the vast majority of the population are following the majority of the regulations the majority of the time.

The majority are not following the 5k rule and the restrictions on home visitors. There is no doubt about that.

emo72 wrote: »

There not. Shops open that shouldn't be open. It's all pretend click and collect, but sure your here anyway, come in and buy what you like. I've seen it in loads of shops in dublin. People still working, this is nothing like the last lockdown.

The restrictions are there and indeed are different from April thankfully. The majority are very obviously following them.....


People seem to think that the users of boards are reflective of Irish society when this is very obviously not the case and I think it's why some have this opinion that there are far more blatent rule breakers out there than there actually are.

jackboy wrote: »

Which is a meaningless statement. Obviously people are following them when they are at work, asleep or relaxing at home.

The majority are not following the restrictions, that is the important fact.

If the majority weren't following them do you honestly think our case numbers would be where they are at now?
If you do, then there's little I can do to change your opinion and tbf people's opinions rarely change in these areas of opinion.

You need to understand what a fact is and how it's proven or not before making that claim.

RobitTV wrote: »

Something very menacing I have noticed over the past few days is how the 'experts' and the hysterical media are downplaying the positive vaccine news. Some of these 'experts' are now saying we need to continue wearing masks and maintain social distancing for years, even after the vaccine has been given to millions of people. This whole situation is becoming very bizarre...

They keep putting out this negative information in public in order to keep people 'in line' for possibly years to come. How can they possibly keep on downplaying the vaccine? one minute they says its 90-95% effective, but then all of a sudden it's not the solution!

Its become very obvious that these restrictions have been about controlling us. Not a virus. A Virus with a 99.96% survival rate mind you.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, if people are following the rules, then the rules are not working. Surely you’d agree?

The social and economic cost of lockdown is huge and we still have hundreds of cases a day and all indicators trending upwards now.

We can’t stay like this until people are vaccinated.

What are the rules designed to do?

We will have to go through periods of more restrictions then periods of lesser restrictions all coupled with physical distancing, mask wearing, hand washing unilt such a point as a vaccine has been taken up by the relevant parts of the population.....
Unfortunately that is the outlook.
When the regulations are relaxed those that are in place need to be followed. The more that follow them the lesser chance of increased restrictions being needed.....

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Its become very obvious that these restrictions have been about controlling us. Not a virus. A Virus with a 99.96% survival rate mind you.

Of course it's about controlling people.... Do you honestly think giving regulations to a virus makes it stop?
Your figure is also questionable.
This is the level of nonsense that is let go as intelligent discussion nowadays.

RobitTV wrote: »

Our new unelected Taoiseach since March 2020

To quote a famous satirist that used to frequent the main thread

“ I’d love to kiss his ring as a token of my gratitude”

polesheep wrote: »

I honestly believe that those who post this are hoping that simply posting it will make it real. You will never again see the majority of the public adhere to a lockdown. That aspect of Covid is over. Look around you.

https://www.thejournal.ie/level-5-poll-5252066-Nov2020/

Admittedly it's the journal..but nothing better to give an indication of compliance and it's certainly more meaningful than anecdotally seeing people drinking on South William Street, and a sample of 10,000 who voted is not nothing.

Over 85% of people following restrictions all or most of the time as of November 2nd

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZjtiqujql8

Pfizer’s former Chief Scientific Advisor Dr Mike Yeadon believes 50% of the UK population was already immune to Covid-19 by the time infection rates reduced in June.

So yet another well respected scientist has said that except for the initial 'hit' of Covid in April/May (when the virus was 'novel' and an unknown entity) which caused excess deaths for the period, the numbers show that in the UK, there is not an overall excess death rate for this year.

Excess 'all cause mortality' for any period, when compared to the same period from previous years is the best indication there is for how 'deadly' this virus is.
I guess it is a surprise to a lot of people that it is not as deadly as has been portrayed .... or anywhere close to that.
In fact it seems to be equivalent to previous 'severe 'flu' seasons' in this.

Most definitely these lockdowns slow the progression of the infection through the population, and thus assist our terrible health system in coping, as a huge surge would just overwhelm the service.

On the other hand, having very severe lockdowns/restrictions, to the point that we had near empty hospitals, is obviously overreaction and OTT . That is unacceptable to those who have been following these numbers all along and apparently a lot of the public are beginning to think this way.

It is possible of course that there could be a second infection event like we had in April/May (maybe due to a mutation), but that is not expected.
What is expected is another seasonal rise as we move through Winter and into Spring.

There have also been several videos by Ivor Cummins showing graphs for Ireland comparing various months to previous years' periods, which show (similar to the UK) that all cause mortality is generally in line with the more severe 'flu' seasons that previously occurred.

For me, these are the numbers that really matter.
Yes I could get sick from this, but if I am unlikely to die sooner than I would anyway, I am comfortable with the precautions I take to protect myself, as I would in a severe 'flu' season.

And for those who like to jump on any mention of 'flu' I am not comparing this virus directly to a 'flu', except in its method of transmission and its effect on death rates.

I have been following these numbers for months and to date I have not seen any figures that would indicate any deviation from this scenario.

jackboy wrote: »

The majority are not following the 5k rule and the restrictions on home visitors. There is no doubt about that.

That’s a fact. I’m on the road a lot due to my work and going by the traffic you wouldn’t think we’re at level 5 with a 5km limit. All these cars out for exercise? It certainly not like back in March out there.

kippy wrote: »

The restrictions aren't like back in march either though, not even close in some sectors.

The 5km limit is certainly not been adhered to.

kippy wrote: »

Of course it's about controlling people.... Do you honestly think giving regulations to a virus makes it stop?
Your figure is also questionable.
This is the level of nonsense that is let go as intelligent discussion nowadays.

When has a Govt ever restricted its citizens rights and freedoms and freely given them back without its citizens needing to be on the business end of a rifle? Never.

Europeans favorite past time used to be hanging [or chopping their heads off] wannabe tyrants. They might have find their love for that again.

kippy wrote: »

So....what's the alternative? Give up and tell the entire country who have been following the restrictions to go back to 'normal'?

Apparently by ignoring the virus and let it rip through the country, this will allow the economy to recover as everyone will flock to the pubs and restaurants. No, I don't understand it either.

Asked to wear a mask to reduce the spread. No, don't want to do that.

Encourage people to take the vaccine. Don't like that either.

All I can see is contrarians doing more than anyone else to extend this as long as possible.

I have been for months willing to accept an inquiry into this destructive mess that has occurred since March. But I have now come to the conclusion that an independent inquiry will NOT be enough.

Since the government has willingly wrecked our society, state finances, economy, jobs market, businesses, and peoples lives, and I will add that the government have failed to protect care homes and people have died on their watch. They failed to invest in ICU units and failed to restructure the health system many years ago.

People have died because they were too scared to attend the local doctor or visit the hospitals for treatment. Many treatment options were unavailable for months, thanks to the decisions the government made. Operations were cancelled, people died.

I now call for a criminal investigation to be opened and this will be the largest criminal investigation in the history of the Irish state.

Those who have caused this suffering and economic and social ruin that will last for YEARS to come, must face a truly independent criminal investigation. They are also responsible for the deaths of numerous people through missed appointments, missed treatment and operations since March, suicide and covid deaths in care homes.