Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

kippy · 17-11-2020 08:30PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

You're entitled to your own opinion.

You're not entitled to your own facts.

There's a reason why schools are closed in Italy, Greece, Czech Republic etc... and in many populous US states like New York and California.

It's not because the scientists in those areas agree with you.

Ultimately I understand why people want schools kept open. It's great to have the kids off your back for the day as you get to work from home or do whatever.

This blinds people to the facts.....like the climate change deniers.

We were lucky here that midterm came when it did. That definetly reduced what was happening within secondary schools where cases were increasing.
However, the reasons cases were increasing in secondary was simply because cases were increasing massively in the community. Community transmission and the lack of control of it are precisely why schools are closed in a lot od countries. The numbers are out of control and so the chances of catching it are dramatically higher no matter where you are.

Even where you were one hundred times more likely catch it in late October than mid June....that effects everyone. It's a massive balancing act.

No-one has ever said schools are safe environments without some serious caveats attached, but the more the adults don't observe the restrictions the more likely those in schools will end up with Covid.....

Thierry12 · 17-11-2020 08:31PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

We are approaching having COVID most controlled than any other country in Europe.

What the hell is with the negativity.

NEPHET are so awful,

They seem to revel in the dismal

We are doing very well, once we get below a 14 day 100 case per 100k rate we have the epidemic well under control.

And we will have that by next week.

We will get to enjoy a good deal of freedom at Christmas and much deserved

We are killing Covid in it's tracks, with the most retarded measures imaginable

Level 3 with gyms, schools, offices, everything opened besides indoor dining killed Covid's spread immediately

Covid doesn't exactly seem a highly contagious and uncontrollable virus does it?

Would make a very boring Hollywood Blockbuster if you could stop a pandemic it's in tracks and save your hospital's, all by stopping indoor dining :pac:

It doesn't seem a tough job to stop Covid, almost too easy :pac:

Keep your praise for NPHET

kippy · 17-11-2020 08:31PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

I am happy for them to be kept open. Things are going better than I expected. I have worked around many students and staff who have contracted the virus as I work in a large school but that was to be expected.

I would like to work in an environment whereby neither I or my family are at serious risk of infection. . . but that is not going to be the case.

Like I state I had a COVID test and am delighted it has only been one so far.

If NPHET want the figures to come down then they have to close schools otherwise they should just STFU and stop blaming it on funerals and young people in 1 tweet.

The numbers are coming down.....

ZX7R · 17-11-2020 08:32PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hold on.

You just said as a teacher you want the schools kept open?

What's with the attitude??

Plus if you're attitude is people want kids off their backs then why become a teacher at all?????

I think it's to do with climate change deniers
He doesn't like them .....

Peter Flynt · 17-11-2020 08:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Read the study. The rate of asymtomatic infections was the same in 20 to 39 year olds as in under 20s. If you are going to use a study to support your view, you should really make sure it doesn’t do the opposite

You know exactly what you're doing.

You're being selective and trying to come across as clever.

You asked for evidence so you could thrash it. . . oldest trick in the book regarding online forums like this one.

Go and read what Anthony Fauci has stated on the matter. he stated prior to Ireland moving to level 5 that if we moved there then schools should close.

Time to listen to the professionals and not internet trolls.

brookers · 17-11-2020 08:35PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Ay up, George Lee has logged in

Have to say Covid 19 discussion brings out really aggressive rude people, facebook full of dr. death and they dont know what they talking about, why do people feel they need to talk down everybody and be so vulgar and horrible. Were Irish people nicer years ago? Some people agree that restrictions are necessary to keep people safe, same story in all other countries, ok some people dont agree with that, fair enough but janey mac be nice about it......

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2020 08:35PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

We are approaching having COVID most controlled than any other country in Europe.

What the hell is with the negativity.

NEPHET are so awful,

They seem to revel in the dismal

We are doing very well, once we get below a 14 day 100 case per 100k rate we have the epidemic well under control.

And we will have that by next week.

We will get to enjoy a good deal of freedom at Christmas and much deserved

We have it under control due to the restrictions. This is the point that seems to be missed.

No one will care about Christmas afterwards when the virus surges.

Only with the restrictions is said "control" kept.

Peter Flynt · 17-11-2020 08:36PM

kippy wrote: »

The numbers are coming down.....

They're not.

khalessi · 17-11-2020 08:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We have it under control due to the restrictions. This is the point that seems to be missed.

No one will care about Christmas afterwards when the virus surges.

Only with the restrictions is said "control" kept.

Similar probably to the Canadian upspike post Thanksgiving they were talking about on the radio today

prunudo · 17-11-2020 08:38PM

St.Spodo wrote: »

Does anyone think we could see different levels in different parts of the country on 1 December? The situation in the Wicklow, Wexford and Carlow area is vastly different to the situation in Donegal.

Its a tough one, being from Wicklow I'd say yes but with our proximity to Dublin it could turn bad again.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2020 08:40PM

khalessi wrote: »

Similar probably to the Canadian upspike post Thanksgiving they were talking about on the radio today

Eaten cake is soon forgotten.

All those going on about Christmas (like it's some unmissable cosmic event) won't care one iota about it when things go south afterward.

People more likely to ring up Joe Duffy in January asking "what were the govt thinking?".

Thierry12 · 17-11-2020 08:47PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Eaten cake is soon forgotten.

All those going on about Christmas (like it's some unmissable cosmic event) won't care one iota about it when things go south afterward.

People more likely to ring up Joe Duffy in January asking "what were the govt thinking?".

No they won't

Covid is slower than a 1 legged dog

We will close indoor dining and it will die in it's tracks again

17-11-2020 08:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We have it under control due to the restrictions. This is the point that seems to be missed.

No one will care about Christmas afterwards when the virus surges.

Only with the restrictions is said "control" kept.

What exactly is the alternative? Stay in level 5 until we're vaccinated?

At some point we're going to open up more, at some point after that cases will go up again. The only thing we can 'control' is timing and extent.

17-11-2020 08:50PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

You know exactly what you're doing.

You're being selective and trying to come across as clever.

You asked for evidence so you could thrash it. . . oldest trick in the book regarding online forums like this one.

Go and read what Anthony Fauci has stated on the matter. he stated prior to Ireland moving to level 5 that if we moved there then schools should close.

Time to listen to the professionals and not internet trolls.

All I asked for was data supporting the view that kids are more likely to be a symptomatic than adults. It was accepted fact here but research data does not seem to support the view. It was asserted so confidently that I believed it my myself until I looked for the data. I believed that even if asymptomatic cases were far more prevalent in kids it would still turn up in the testing data as a portion would be symptomatic and a portion would be tested as contacts, so even if it wasn’t the true rate, it would represent a representative portion of cases. However it appears data to even support the asymptomatic kids contention is a best not conclusive, and more likely just not supported in the studies. I stand to be corrected if someone else can find what I have been unable to.

But even so, it should still be represented in the data

mollser · 17-11-2020 08:51PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We have it under control due to the restrictions. This is the point that seems to be missed.

No one will care about Christmas afterwards when the virus surges.

Only with the restrictions is said "control" kept.

Wexford have pulled this down from about 600 per 100k and are now almost covid free in a few weeks.

Could nphet ever bring themselves to hold up some really good examples of where communities have come together to crack this? A bit of positivity?

Whilst I'm pretty compliant with all the restrictions, their behavioral approach is unbelievably shocking, seeking to always deflect from their own very serious shortcomings. As for rte!

Personally can't stand them anymore, same for pretty much everyone in my circle/ family.

Like we're pretty much best in Europe. A bit of fkn positivity really needed.

Spanish Eyes · 17-11-2020 08:59PM

lemonTrees wrote: »

No a few cranks on here don't speak for the general public.

That's the thing. Most want a nice Christmas, but not at any price. The vitriol on here is the talk of teenagers wanting to get the shift and a pint and to be FREE.

It's what we all want really, but caution is advised. But not on this part of the Board anyway.

So, let's see what happens. If things don't ease it is because of muppets who don't care about the consequences. Won't be long until there is a vaccine and whoop de doo life as we knew it returns. I can't even get the flu jab so I am a bit dubious about the rollout of the Covid vaccine, be it Pfizer, or whoever. But bring it on. Then we can resume I think.

When you are young it takes a lifetime but when you are ahem, a bit older like me, slowly works. We can cope.

Westernworld. · 17-11-2020 09:00PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

NPHET know the score on schools. They know the virus is spreading through there. The virus doesn't particularly have any preference for avoiding Irish schools as schools elsewhere in Europe are closing.

The situation on schools is this. . . that the public are fed ****e about them being "safe" with bogus stats. This is important so as to ensure public confidence as if parents start taking kids out of schools then they will have to close anyway.

However the virus ain't gonna play along with NPHET's BS on schools.

Not just that

It's getting the teachers back again another time

normanoffside · 17-11-2020 09:03PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I'm not sure if I am reading that right but does it say that 97 health care workers were infected on the 15th?

Conor on twitter is saying that 23% of todays cases are in healthcare workers and 14% of all of November's cases so far.

is that right?

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1328787719905013767

17-11-2020 09:03PM

mollser wrote: »

Wexford have pulled this down from about 600 per 100k and are now almost covid free in a few weeks.

Could nphet ever bring themselves to hold up some really good examples of where communities have come together to crack this? A bit of positivity?

Whilst I'm pretty compliant with all the restrictions, their behavioral approach is unbelievably shocking, seeking to always deflect from their own very serious shortcomings. As for rte!

Personally can't stand them anymore, same for pretty much everyone in my circle/ family.

Like we're pretty much best in Europe. A bit of fkn positivity really needed.

The cheerleaders for Tony Holohan and NPHET miss this point entirely. People treated as robotic beings that should automatically fall in line, and there is virtually no recognition for our sacrifices. None of these experts would relish being in my position, enforced PUP for months. It is demeaning and dehumanising, sure who gives a flying fathom at the top. And then you witness some resolutely ignorant posters here who parrot the party line about having to adhere to the restrictions, these same individuals of course stand to lose nothing.

wadacrack · 17-11-2020 09:05PM

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1328791084068204545

Plumbthedepths · 17-11-2020 09:07PM

I'm beginning to wonder how will Tony and the rest of the 'celebrities' cope with obscurity when this passes. Which it inevitably will.

17-11-2020 09:08PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1328791084068204545

Tell Tony its fallen since yesterday

MOR316 · 17-11-2020 09:10PM

brookers wrote: »

Have to say Covid 19 discussion brings out really aggressive rude people, facebook full of dr. death and they dont know what they talking about, why do people feel they need to talk down everybody and be so vulgar and horrible. Were Irish people nicer years ago? Some people agree that restrictions are necessary to keep people safe, same story in all other countries, ok some people dont agree with that, fair enough but janey mac be nice about it......

Christ, it was a joke! A light hearted comment to lighten the mood?

Thankfully, the poster I quoted knew this and wasn't crying about it.

EDIT: Actually, everyone knew it was a joke!

AnniePowwa · 17-11-2020 09:10PM

What is this "I am concerned" **** the z list wannabe twat

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-11-2020 09:10PM

normanoffside wrote: »

84 in Dublin. Very low now.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1328766786561593349

Dublin doing great. Really strong downward trend there.

At least we'll get some respite from the close the schools gang for 24 hours.

Eod100 · 17-11-2020 09:11PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1328791084068204545

I know it's 2 weeks to day to 1st December but isn't NPHET making its recommendations to government on 26th? That's just over a week's time. And any cases picked up over next week or so could have been seeded a week or 2 before symptoms.

You'd hope level 5 would be eased but maybe it will be a case of NPHET arguing for stricter measures than a modified 3 before easing for Christmas. It's not exactly the update you'd want just over a week out but hopefully numbers decrease over next while. I think reaching a 100 or less cases in 6 weeks was always fairly ambitious.

wadacrack · 17-11-2020 09:11PM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1328792272540987393

17-11-2020 09:11PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1328791084068204545

"I am increasingly concerned" translates as "cop on to yourselves plebs". Sooner this misery moocher is cast out on his ear, the better for the national psyche.

KrustyUCC · 17-11-2020 09:13PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm not sure if I am reading that right but does it say that 97 health care workers were infected on the 15th?

Conor on twitter is saying that 23% of todays cases are in healthcare workers and 14% of all of November's cases so far.

is that right?

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1328787719905013767

Wow that seems very high

Kermit.de.frog · 17-11-2020 09:15PM

mollser wrote: »

Like we're pretty much best in Europe. A bit of fkn positivity really needed.

I 100% agree. Sure, i'm the most positive person here.

But we only remain "best in Europe" with the mitigation measures that are in place.

You don't even have to look far - look 60 miles up the road - to see what happens when incompetence and pandering to the hordes achieves.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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