Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

$18 Billion COVID Vaccine Gold Rush Threatens Horseshoe Crabs, Ocean Ecosystem.
Demand for horseshoe crab blood for COVID-19 vaccines may exterminate the crabs and destroy the shorebirds and the marine ecosystem that depend on them.

The annual spring congregation of egg-laden horseshoe crabs on the east coast provide a vital food source for annual migrations of millions of shore birds.

The $18 billion gold rush for liability free COVID vaccines now threatens that ancient Atlantic coast ritual. COVID vaccine makers plot to harvest tens of thousands of these primitive and beloved sea creatures. The horseshoe crab’s blue blood is the only known natural source of limulus amebocyte lysate, a substance that detects and eliminates a potentially deadly vaccine contaminant called endotoxin.

Every year, pharmaceutical companies corral half a million Atlantic horseshoe crabs, bleed them, and return them to the ocean — after which many will die. This practice, combined with overharvesting of the crabs for fishing bait, has caused a precipitous decline in the species.

In 1990, biologists estimated 1.24 million crabs spawned in Delaware Bay, a main egg-laying nursery grounds and prime collection point for the companies. By 2019, that number had dropped to 335,211. Conservation groups feel that the planned harvest by vaccine manufacturers may lead to the species’ extinction.

Starting in July, Swiss-based Lonza will begin manufacturing a COVID-19 vaccine for human clinical trials. The company will use lysate in the vaccine it plans to sell it in the U.S.

The horseshoe crab is already on the brink of extinction. Conservationists fear that the demand for horseshoe crab blood for COVID-19 vaccines may exterminate the crabs and destroy the shore birds and the marine ecosystem that depend on them.

Conservationists observe that the harvesting of wild animals like sharks and horseshoe crabs for exploding vaccine manufacturing is unsustainable.

patnor1011 wrote: »

$18 Billion COVID Vaccine Gold Rush Threatens Horseshoe Crabs, Ocean Ecosystem.
Demand for horseshoe crab blood for COVID-19 vaccines may exterminate the crabs and destroy the shorebirds and the marine ecosystem that depend on them.

The annual spring congregation of egg-laden horseshoe crabs on the east coast provide a vital food source for annual migrations of millions of shore birds.

The $18 billion gold rush for liability free COVID vaccines now threatens that ancient Atlantic coast ritual. COVID vaccine makers plot to harvest tens of thousands of these primitive and beloved sea creatures. The horseshoe crab’s blue blood is the only known natural source of limulus amebocyte lysate, a substance that detects and eliminates a potentially deadly vaccine contaminant called endotoxin.

Every year, pharmaceutical companies corral half a million Atlantic horseshoe crabs, bleed them, and return them to the ocean — after which many will die. This practice, combined with overharvesting of the crabs for fishing bait, has caused a precipitous decline in the species.

In 1990, biologists estimated 1.24 million crabs spawned in Delaware Bay, a main egg-laying nursery grounds and prime collection point for the companies. By 2019, that number had dropped to 335,211. Conservation groups feel that the planned harvest by vaccine manufacturers may lead to the species’ extinction.

Starting in July, Swiss-based Lonza will begin manufacturing a COVID-19 vaccine for human clinical trials. The company will use lysate in the vaccine it plans to sell it in the U.S.

The horseshoe crab is already on the brink of extinction. Conservationists fear that the demand for horseshoe crab blood for COVID-19 vaccines may exterminate the crabs and destroy the shore birds and the marine ecosystem that depend on them.

Conservationists observe that the harvesting of wild animals like sharks and horseshoe crabs for exploding vaccine manufacturing is unsustainable.

More anti-vax nonsense taken from here.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-threatens-horseshoe-crabs/


"Overall, we rate the Children’s Health Defense a strong conspiracy and quackery level advocacy group that frequently promotes unsupported claims. We also rate them low for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda as well as several failed fact checks."

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/

john4321 wrote: »

More anti-vax nonsense taken from here.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-threatens-horseshoe-crabs/


"Overall, we rate the Children’s Health Defense a strong conspiracy and quackery level advocacy group that frequently promotes unsupported claims. We also rate them low for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda as well as several failed fact checks."

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/

So be so kind and tell me where you want to take that amount of limulus amebocyte lysate to vaccinate the whole planet 2 doses a year.

If anybody is talking nonsense it is you. I have taken more vaccines than you I can pretty much guarantee that.
Since when is pointing out a simple logistic problem which makes covid vaccination of whole planet impossible antivaxx?

And while you are at it fact-check this:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/nishandegnarain/2020/06/28/big-pharmas-u-turn-threatens-450-million-year-old-species-on-front-line-of-coronavirus-defense/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/medical-labs-may-be-killing-horseshoe-crabs/

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/blue-blooded-crabs-heart-pharma-072904676.html

https://tbsnews.net/environment/pricey-blue-blood-causes-horseshoe-crabs-own-crisis-43155

https://www.inquirer.com/science/climate/horseshoe-crabs-new-jersey-delaware-bay-red-knots-20201102.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/05/blood-in-the-water/559229/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lonza-crabs-focus-idUSKCN1UR3LL

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You are lucky. People in this thread been called "Gemmaroids" in the past. Getting called antivaxx is like cloudy weather, its there, its unpleasant but you just get on with it.

But you raise very interesting point. What is used to make covid vaccine? Crabs? Surely theres a limited amount of crabs out there before they start substituting them with something else, lower quality?

Yeah, it seems some people are just dumb. Thing is that horseshoe crab was in problems several years ago even before covid. Their blood as of this moment cant be substituted for anything else. Covid craze is going to pretty much end them as it seems if they really think the whole planet is going to take these new covid vaccines.

If some people would have at least a bit of critical thinking or be able to do some basic research and analysis they would not scream antivaxx lol.

patnor1011 wrote: »

More antivaxx nonsense taken from here:
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0

UK is looking for rapid implementation of AI system to deal with comming flood of adverse vaccine reactions and injuries. The MHRA is fully aware that these adverse events will harm and kill many patients. They specifically warn of, “a direct threat to patient life.”

Fk you are right

II.1.4)
Short description:
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.


How did this harmless discussion about crabs turn into this, quite unpleasant and worrying development?

Now that we have established that level 5 does not bring new cases down to <100 a day, can we please go back to level 3? Level 2 if you are feeling like common sense today?

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This has been discussed multiple times on the vaccine thread. An ADR is everything from a sore arm or a fever upwards. Imagine how long it would take to work through manually looking at who had a fever or a sore arm.
You need some sort of AI to help group everything

Phew. Thank you.

Sore arm? That sounds sore. :pac:

Stephen when are we going to level 2?

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Phew. Thank you.

Sore arm? That sounds sore. :pac:

Stephen when are we going to level 2?

Give me all the sore arms to end this crap haha

Are there still levels? Any notion of levels seems to have gone out the window a long time ago, that plan isn't worth the paper its written on. Mix and match whatever they want

This ain’t ending anytime soon- https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/we-have-two-weeks-to-drive-down-community-transmission-as-11-further-deaths-and-366-new-covid-19-cases-confirmed-39757994.html
Just shows what a waste of time and resources this “strategy” is.

And our alleged “government “ dont want to even discuss it it appears- what a complete and utter farce yet again https://m.independent.ie/news/government-to-decide-on-exit-from-level-5-restrictions-next-week-39758627.html

NPHETS advice should be that Advice and MM needs to grow a pair and tell them 'thanks for your advice but we have to look at this and that' . Economic and Mental health need to be looked at

But you just know MM and Leo will bow to King Tony/NPHETs orders and keep many restrictions esp the Elephant in the room that is the Pubs

thebaz wrote: »

Superman Tony seams in a permanent state of concerned - either deeply or increasingly - other issues in Irish life seam to matter little to this well paid secure elite - while thousands of less secure citizens are deeply concerned about other issues - mental health / financial issues / housing and other serious medical issues - but just keep threatening us or putting us into lockdown , the most severe in europe, nearly 8 weeks in Dublin.

Yes pretty shocking that this individual calls himself a “Dr” actually. He’s a complete one trick Covid pony. And a very poor one at that

road_high wrote: »

Yes pretty shocking that this individual calls himself a “Dr” actually. He’s a complete one trick Covid pony. And a very poor one at that

as we are scolded once again , why is nobody quizzing NPHEt /HSE why they didnt create more ICU facilities over the summer - and why is Ireland still the longest and most severe lockdown in Europe ?

PTH2009 wrote: »

MM needs to grow a pair

Is he still around? Does he even know that he is supposed to be in charge?

thebaz wrote: »

as we are scolded once again , why is nobody quizzing NPHEt /HSE why they didnt create more ICU facilities over the summer - and why is Ireland still the longest and most severe lockdown in Europe ?

Because we don’t have journalists that ask any hard questions anymore. If Holohan wants time be front and centre then he should be made fully accountable to the public

Even the main COVID thread on here started to talk a bit of sense today.