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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #6902
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    The whole of the current administration is just sat around the oval table sucking down Darjeeling and chatting **** to Mrs Nesbit obviously. :rolleyes:

    They have admitted that they have given up trying to control COVID:

    "We are not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation areas," Meadows told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."


  • #6903
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A smooth transition of power during a global pandemic that is killing a thousand people a day is incredibly important. So yes, instability like that will potentially contribute to deaths.

    I think the carry on of so many US citizens who refuse to wear masks, refuse to adhere to social distancing etc. is also contributing to deaths.

    It aint all Trump's fault.


  • #6904
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I think the carry on of so many US citizens who refuse to wear masks, refuse to adhere to social distancing etc. is also contributing to deaths.

    It aint all Trump's fault.

    Those that behave that way are largely his followers and he did VERY little to discourage that behavior. Almost encouraging it.


  • #6905
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I think the carry on of so many US citizens who refuse to wear masks, refuse to adhere to social distancing etc. is also contributing to deaths.

    It aint all Trump's fault.

    It is because he has led the charge that it is all a nonsense, that you don't need to wear masks, that it is belittling of anyone to wear a mask. It is because of that carry on that it has been like it is.


    Can you imagine if he had decreed a national emergency (like he did when a few migrants were walking towards the border) and demanding immediate action to stop the virus what could have been achieved?

    Instead he tried to bully governors into being nice to him, mocked those that went into lockdown (and still his).

    This lies 100% at his door. He would do even if he hadn't previously stated that the ultimate responsibility lies with POTUS.

    But it doesn't matter what you or I think, history will judge him for that he did.


  • #6906
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,738 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I think the carry on of so many US citizens who refuse to wear masks, refuse to adhere to social distancing etc. is also contributing to deaths.

    It aint all Trump's fault.

    Trump isn't putting in place any measures to mitigate the spread of COVID, though. Minimising cases by a couple of simple changes, like wearing a mask fora example, is entirely possible. But he has actively fought against that effort and encouraged the likes of anti mask morons and their fucking ejitry, just because they're part of his base.

    So, while Trump hasn't personally gone around and given millions of people COVID, he has contributed in a great way to the spread of it by his actions, words and encouragement.

    The buck stops with him, because that's part of the job he wanted.


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  • #6907
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    You think being prepared will take 2+ months?

    It'll take an afternoon around the oval table with key stakeholders. Anything else is just noise at this point.

    Yours is a romantic version of reality.
    Who knew preparing to run the most powerful country in the world is no different to learning how to flip burgers in Mcdonalds? :eek:


  • #6908
    What.Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭What.Now


    py2006 wrote: »
    Those that behave that way are largely his followers and he did VERY little to discourage that behavior. Almost encouraging it.

    He did encourage it.


  • #6909
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I think the carry on of so many US citizens who refuse to wear masks, refuse to adhere to social distancing etc. is also contributing to deaths.

    It aint all Trump's fault.

    How do you expect people who follow their president's advice on issues to act when that president:
    • said in the past on wearing masks that he "won't be doing it personally" (source)
    • said that Americans who wear face coverings are doing so just to show their disapproval of him rather than as a preventive measure (source)
    • didn't wear a mask when he was legally required to wear one (source)
    • wasn't wearing a mask because he thought he would look ridiculous (source)
    • mocks people for wearing masks (source)


  • #6910
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Who knew preparing to run the most powerful country in the world is no different to learning how to flip burgers in Mcdonalds? :eek:

    I'm sure Roger the Cabin Boy is very knowledgeable on the intricate matters of a US Presidential handover.
    Any chance he could tell us who really killed Kennedy and where the aliens are kept?
    :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #6911
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I think that, of those who voted for Trump, only a few million (at most) don't accept the result. So why are Lindsey Graham and other prominent Republicans so desperate to appease that group?


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  • #6912
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    political analyst wrote: »
    I think that, of those who voted for Trump, only a few million (at most) don't accept the result. So why are Lindsey Graham and other prominent Republicans so desperate to appease that group?

    70% of Republicans seem to actually believe this - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/republicans-free-fair-elections-435488?nname=politico-nightly&nid=00000170-c000-da87-af78-e185fa700000&nrid=0000014e-f10a-dd93-ad7f-f90f318e0001&nlid=2670445

    Decades of conditioning can be a powerful thing.


  • #6913
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    I am actually really interested to see how these same people and politic are going to react once Biden is in the white house, doing exactly the same stuff as Trump or any other POTUS does or will do.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1325890910635384839?s=19

    He's already doing a better job than Trump and he's not even in the White House yet. And he won't be "doing exactly the same stuff as Trump" because he's not a self obsessed, sociopathic moron.


  • #6914
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭briany


    political analyst wrote: »
    I think that, of those who voted for Trump, only a few million (at most) don't accept the result. So why are Lindsey Graham and other prominent Republicans so desperate to appease that group?

    Over 70 million people voted for Trump. The highest tally for a Republican candidate in history. I'm sure that not every person who voted for Trump is exactly as paranoid and crazy as Trump but they still agreed with Trump enough to vote for him. That kind of support is not something the Republican leadership can risk to distance themselves from Trump. The Republican leadership are, in fact, that in name only. It's Trump's party now.


  • #6915
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,245 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1328718423053004801?s=19

    Would pay to watch this.


  • #6916
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    briany wrote: »
    Over 70 million people voted for Trump. The highest tally for a Republican candidate in history. I'm sure that not every person who voted for Trump is exactly as paranoid and crazy as Trump but they still agreed with Trump enough to vote for him. That kind of support is not something the Republican leadership can risk to distance themselves from Trump. The Republican leadership are, in fact, that in name only. It's Trump's party now.

    Unfortunately for US politics, the Republicans have become entwined with Trump, as well as some ultra-conservative groups like the white nationalists, while the Democrats have become synonymous with socialists like Bernie, and hard left groups like Antifa.
    Add in the conspiracy theories about both sides and the polarisation of US politics is only getting worse.


    The Democrats should have ran a more conservative candidate, but I suppose the presidential race is more a popularity contest than about actual policy and past performance.


  • #6917
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭political analyst


    briany wrote: »
    Over 70 million people voted for Trump. The highest tally for a Republican candidate in history. I'm sure that not every person who voted for Trump is exactly as paranoid and crazy as Trump but they still agreed with Trump enough to vote for him. That kind of support is not something the Republican leadership can risk to distance themselves from Trump. The Republican leadership are, in fact, that in name only. It's Trump's party now.

    Agreeing with him enough to vote for him is one thing - believing his allegations of electoral fraud is another.


  • #6918
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Unfortunately for US politics, the Republicans have become entwined with Trump, as well as some ultra-conservative groups like the white nationalists, while the Democrats have become synonymous with socialists like Bernie, and hard left groups like Antifa. .

    There'll only really be credence in that when Sanders or AOC or whomever are nominated to run for the presidency with the rest of the party falling in line behind them, to be honest.

    "The left are eating themselves" has been the mantra of right wingers for a few years now because there is typically less likelihood of lavish devotion who whomever Dear Leader seems to be on that side of the political aisle than on the right, certainly in the US. In other words I wouldn't be holding my breath.

    Republicans might try and scream as much, but the election results showed it didn't exactly stick, with an exception of Miami.


  • #6919
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭briany


    political analyst wrote: »
    Agreeing with him enough to vote for him is one thing - believing his allegations of electoral fraud is another.

    They are indeed two separate things. However, all these voters lean toward Trump. Trump himself believes that there was voter fraud. So, the Republican establishment obviously feels it best not to p*ss Trump off too much lest he take a large enough chunk of the voter base with him.
    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Unfortunately for US politics, the Republicans have become entwined with Trump, as well as some ultra-conservative groups like the white nationalists, while the Democrats have become synonymous with socialists like Bernie, and hard left groups like Antifa.
    Add in the conspiracy theories about both sides and the polarisation of US politics is only getting worse.


    The Democrats should have ran a more conservative candidate, but I suppose the presidential race is more a popularity contest than about actual policy and past performance.


    Only in the minds of OANN. I'd say AntiFa are opposed to Trump. That doesn't necessarily make them pro-Democrat, but they may see it as the lesser of two evils and a net positive move. Bernie Sanders isn't even a Democrat, but has to run on that ticket because there's only two options available to a serious candidate. People like Hillary Clinton have said he's a crank.


  • #6920
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    extra gravy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1328718423053004801?s=19

    Would pay to watch this.

    The first step is him turning up the proper court venue, and not some landscaping company with a similar name 20 odd miles away

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #6921
    uncleoswald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    I am sure the Nazi and Soviet communists' had excuses that made sense to them for putting people on lists also. It all sounds like the start of the 'up against the wall' movement that happened under those two evil regimes.
    if we follow your thinking Nuremburg Trials were 'revenge'.


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  • #6922
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The ironic thing about Trump's swipes at Democrats re election fraud is most of the swing states are run by Republicans who are in charge of the counts. Honest Republicans thankfully.


  • #6923
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    The Democrats should have ran a more conservative candidate, but I suppose the presidential race is more a popularity contest than about actual policy and past performance.

    It doesn't mater who they run, they will still call them a communist socialist so and so.

    Also, a more conservative candidate will not win over Republican's, and it never will. It would piss of the democrats base and achieve nothing more. People need to stop suggesting this. There are millions of non-voters whom they should target, and they should make sure to get there base to turn out, and fight voter suppression. Make is easier to register to vote, and end the long lines in non-white area's.

    No point in trying to convince people who are basically in a cult. The non-Trump Republican doesn't exist in large enough number to bother with.


  • #6924
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you have not got a balls notion what you are talking about.

    And let's be honest, having never stepped in the Oval office or held any office of any note whatsoever, neither do you.


  • #6925
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Again, less of the childish retorts and perhaps something a bit more mature. What's the source for your quote, I'm not going to source it for you

    The 1st pitch of childish retorts what from you.
    How about you practice what you preach?

    I doubt Biden will be practicing what he is preaching either. He'll be bound by the realities of the situation just like anyone else,


  • #6926
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    randd1 wrote: »
    Nonsense. Of course there's voter fraud. In fact, they're so good at it there is no evidence.

    On both sides no doubt.


  • #6927
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    On both sides no doubt.

    Well, if it's on both sides, it cancels itself out, and we can all stop making a big deal over it.


  • #6928
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,841 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    The democrats are not left wing


  • #6929
    What.Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭What.Now


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    The 1st pitch of childish retorts what from you.
    How about you practice what you preach?

    I doubt Biden will be practicing what he is preaching either. He'll be bound by the realities of the situation just like anyone else,

    Well if you stepped back a bit you would see that Biden is already practicing what he preaches by constantly wearing a mask.


  • #6930
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    briany wrote: »
    Well, if it's on both sides, it cancels itself out, and we can all stop making a big deal over it.

    Heh, exactly why you lot miss the point.

    Its a huge deal. Voting needs to be trusted and transparent and honest regardless of who or what is up for election.

    Without confidence in the system from both sides, it is a empty shell exercise devoid of value or meaning.


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  • #6931
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,927 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Roger the cabin boy wrote: »
    And let's be honest, having never stepped in the Oval office or held any office of any note whatsoever, neither do you.

    I know you can't do a presidential handover in an afternoon. You couldn't do a project handover in that time. so yeah, you haven't a balls notion what you are talking about.


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