Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Eod100 · 17-11-2020 01:01PM

Looks like the kite is being taken down.

https://twitter.com/PTHosford/status/1328668062665596928

Tpcl20 · 17-11-2020 01:03PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Are you joking? Education is absolutely essential, even short term closures can have long term effects. Where I live, public schools went online only to start the school year in August. Its getting close to a year that they havent been in in person classes. Thousands of kids have still never logged on, record numbers are failing and more kids have committed suicide in the past 3 months than in the entirety of last year, one was only 9 years old its a disaster. why do you think most places are doing their best to keep them open?

Meanwhile, my child has been attending her private school as usual since August without a single case so far. It can be done safely and there are numerous studies to suggest that schools are not superspreading locations

Where are you based though because that's clearly not Ireland?

Golfman64 · 17-11-2020 01:12PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like the kite is being taken down.

https://twitter.com/PTHosford/status/1328668062665596928

You literally couldn't make up the incompetence. Wasting time on this nonsense instead of using the existing laws and enforcement by gardai to ensure we avoid the small numbers of congregations represented on social media happening again. Instead of deploying hundreds of gardai at irrelevant and meaningless checkpoints, redeploy them to policing the streets and house parties etc.

Meanwhile the government need to focus on the macro challenges ahead such as restarting the economy and the beleaguered hospitality, tourism and travel sectors safely as well as implementing a balanced plan of reopening to avoid the use of the blunt lockdown instrument again.

growleaves · 17-11-2020 01:13PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I'm starting to dread the media coverage when people inevitably start coming home for Christmas and the numbers start rising. It will be like the Dubs going on holidays to Kerry and the Yanks flying in to Shannon all over again, except this time it'll be darker outside and they'll have organised more finger-pointing and shock and blame, to compensate for how tedious the coverage is.

Well people should push back politely, without bitterness, against the pro-lockdown complaints and state they it is right to come home and be with your family.

KrustyUCC · 17-11-2020 01:14PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I'd watched it at time and heard hundreds of thousands but looking back think it was or alright. (37:08 mark) https://www.facebook.com/rtenews/videos/687212561932107

Would think 1 of the journalists in room including Paul could have picked him up on it if they were still in the room at that stage. Even still, could easily have been slip of the tongue either way. Mistakes happen.

That's definitely hundreds of thousands of cases but I do think it's just a slip of the tongue

growleaves · 17-11-2020 01:15PM

It is much easier to make a mistake talking than in print.

Virtually any radio interview will have verbal slips.

Seamai · 17-11-2020 01:16PM

Any news on a swab count for today?

hotmail.com · 17-11-2020 01:18PM

If I lived abroad and wanted to come home for Xmas, I would just come home. I wouldn't give a toss what anyone thought.

mollser · 17-11-2020 01:20PM

Could NPHET and GOVT perhaps focus on say, sorting out the nursing home situation. Some very simple solutions:

1. Fixed staff for each nursing home, i.e. really limit the numbers of floating staff and to be used on emergency basis only
2. PCR testing weekly for all staff (did I read correctly that they reduced this to every two weeks?)
3. Daily antigen testing. Yes perhaps not perfect, but it may catch a number of cases which, in the absence of any daily testing, are clearly slipping through now.
4. Antigen testing for all visitors (to the extent they are visiting, this is an improvement).

I stand corrected if any of the above have been implemented. But NPHET failed the first time around on nursing homes, and because of their ideology against antigen testing as not 100% perfect, they don't appear to be bothered about doing anything and deflect, and blame the public as not being compliant.

I haven't even started on hospitals, but admitedly would be much more difficult to solve.

No wonder they've lost a sizeable chunk of people, not just losing, but lost.

Tpcl20 · 17-11-2020 01:22PM

growleaves wrote: »

Well people should push back politely, without bitterness, against the pro-lockdown complaints and state they it is right to come home and be with your family.

I mean, who is really angry about it?

It's just the media dragging up any **** that will get a rise out of somebody, enough that they'll click them article. NPHET are find with that because it helps to deflect from the fact that schools, hospitals, meat plants and care facilities are currently driving transmission. If everyone is freaking out about socialising and public behaviour then there's no need to prove any evidence it's happening.

My sister is coming home from university in a hotspot. She's heading back a little over two weeks before Christmas to self-isolate in an apartment I've helped her rent. I'm taking work off two weeks before so we'll be 100% good to go. There is absolutely no way my mother is spending Christmas on her own.

seamus · 17-11-2020 01:23PM

Just poking at numbers here.

As of last night, we had 266 in hospital.

29% (77) of them are in either Letterkenny or Limerick. Donegal & Limerick comprise 7% of the population.

39% are in Dublin. Dublin comprises 29% of the population. But the hospitals there also serve parts of surrounding counties and other services not available in other hospitals.

Paints quite a picture. The good news is that as of last night, there were relatively few suspected cases in Letterkenny or Limerick (5 & 10), but it means that there are another few days of this to run in both locations.

Seamai · 17-11-2020 01:25PM

We're focusing mainly on what the authorities here are saying in relation to Christmas travel, I have no doubt that many countries will try to impose their own restrictions in an effort to keep things under control in their own back yards. A person travelling home might have to deal with those restrictions on their return. I also suspect that flights will be hard to come by and will not be cheap.

17-11-2020 01:37PM

Driving there through town, 40 children on the footpath "marshalled" by their teacher. No social distancing, no masks. And people want to manufacture excuse after excuse why schools are not contributing to the rise in case numbers. Meanwhile fifteen socially distanced individuals in a pub, a dangerous breeding ground for Covid. The hypocrisy is all too evident except to those who have their heads entrenched in the sand. Government playing the blame game with hospitality sector, deflecting from numerous shortcomings in factories, hospitals and nursing homes. Shameless.

KrustyUCC · 17-11-2020 01:38PM

growleaves wrote: »

It is much easier to make a mistake talking than in print.

Virtually any radio interview will have verbal slips.

Yes

It looks worse in print as well

Just a mistake from Glynn

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-11-2020 01:40PM

seamus wrote: »

Just poking at numbers here.

As of last night, we had 266 in hospital.

29% (77) of them are in either Letterkenny or Limerick. Donegal & Limerick comprise 7% of the population.

39% are in Dublin. Dublin comprises 29% of the population. But the hospitals there also serve parts of surrounding counties and other services not available in other hospitals.

Paints quite a picture. The good news is that as of last night, there were relatively few suspected cases in Letterkenny or Limerick (5 & 10), but it means that there are another few days of this to run in both locations.

Limerick has had a few hospital outbreaks now.

Might be a widespread issue in the hospital.

KrustyUCC · 17-11-2020 01:43PM

Nottingham scientist develops antiviral face mask that is 'highly effective' at killing coronavirus

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottingham-scientist-develops-antiviral-face-4693922.amp

Interesting news story

lawrencesummers · 17-11-2020 01:46PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The government have withdrawn plans to do anything about take away pints.

The government have never been serious about enforcement.

Take away pints doesn’t need to be the primary area of enforcement.

I know this because take away pints isn’t the primary area of spread.

daydorunrun · 17-11-2020 01:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Driving there through town, 40 children on the footpath "marshalled" by their teacher. No social distancing, no masks. And people want to manufacture excuse after excuse why schools are not contributing to the rise in case numbers. Meanwhile fifteen socially distanced individuals in a pub, a dangerous breeding ground for Covid. The hypocrisy is all too evident except to those who have their heads entrenched in the sand. Government playing the blame game with hospitality sector, deflecting from numerous shortcomings in factories, hospitals and nursing homes. Shameless.

I guess it comes down to what risky activities are deemed necessary.
Kids getting educated probably is. The other one....... not so much.

ACitizenErased · 17-11-2020 01:50PM

Latest testing and contact tracing data:
No real difference between yesterdays's referrals and last Monday's referrals.
Average number of contacts remains at 3.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-17-november-2020.pdf

lawrencesummers · 17-11-2020 01:53PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

If I lived abroad and wanted to come home for Xmas, I would just come home. I wouldn't give a toss what anyone thought.

I agree.

I would take a test before travelling.
Be strict with PPE when travelling.
Isolate on arrival and get a test after a few days.

I would then get another test 3 days before departure, wear PPE again travelling and have a clear test when I arrive back to where I live before going into work.

What’s the problem with that???

Our government are into their second day of governing by Twitter about the outrage of some people gathering outdoors instead of working on solutions that are practical and possible to ensure a lot of families can be together safely at Christmas this year.

That’s what they have to find solutions for or they need to admit that their goal of “living with COVID” is a complete failure.

I’m not away, and I’ve nobody that is, but famailies that can be together should be together this year.

17-11-2020 01:55PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Can we stop with this crap, it just makes people ignore whatever point you are making.

I am so sorry, I know data has no place compared to what someones friend on facebook says

Eod100 · 17-11-2020 01:55PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

If I lived abroad and wanted to come home for Xmas, I would just come home. I wouldn't give a toss what anyone thought.

Will be interesting to see how many actually do travel here. Lot of anecdotal stuff about people staying away, either not thinking it's not worth the hassle of restricting movements, very expensive due to low flight availability etc.

Think there needed to be better engagement with Irish citizens abroad then ''don't book your flights.''

17-11-2020 01:58PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Will be interesting to see how many actually do travel here. Lot of anecdotal stuff about people staying away, either not thinking it's not worth the hassle of restricting movements, very expensive due to low flight availability etc.

Think there needed to be better engagement with Irish citizens abroad then ''don't book your flights.''

London to Dublin flight prices for the week before Christmas would indicate that you are right. Normally, by this time, flights from 20 - 23 December are sold out or at least running into the hundreds of Euro. A quick look now shows loads of flights still at €50, even with a reduced flight schedule and reduced capacity. For the last 7 years I would have flown back from London for Christmas, before I moved back permanently, and would for sure needed to have booked by now. Clearly people are not planning to travel in anything like the usual numbers

KrustyUCC · 17-11-2020 01:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest testing and contact tracing data:
No real difference between yesterdays's referrals and last Monday's referrals.
Average number of contacts remains at 3.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-17-november-2020.pdf

Hopefully we might start seeing numbers come down again if they large clusters start filtering through the system

s1ippy · 17-11-2020 02:00PM

I'm probably one of the more cautious on here. I'd say given the general outlook, most people wouldn't be taking any more risk getting on a plane than say, going to work. I personally wouldn't take the risk flying due to my circumstances, but I can 100% see why many would. I'd wish them all the best and encourage them to be careful and take precautions to protect their families. I'd try and come home asap though because once the crowds (inevitably) start, the risk goes WAY up.

Eod100 · 17-11-2020 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

London to Dublin flight prices for the week before Christmas would indicate that you are right. Normally, by this time, flights from 20 - 23 December are sold out or at least running into the hundreds of Euro. A quick look now shows loads of flights still at €50, even with a reduced flight schedule and reduced capacity. For the last 7 years I would have flown back from London for Christmas, before I moved back permanently, and would for sure needed to have booked by now. Clearly people are not planning to travel in anything like the usual numbers

That's interesting. Would have thought flight prices would be up but if they're same as with reduced supply guess the demand might not be there. Maybe more people going by ferry too perhaps.

That's the other thing as you say, people aren't leaving it to 1st December to booked. They've likely have booked months back. Another aspect of Varadkar's comments which were fairly out of touch.

US2 · 17-11-2020 02:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's pretty mad how the hospital in Limerick has singlehandedly caused a community outbreak. That sounds like mass staff infection to me.

175 uhl hospital workers in isolation according to local radio. Place must be riddled

KrustyUCC · 17-11-2020 02:13PM

Some of those are in Ennis as it's the UHL group but yes majority are based in UHL in Limerick

BringBackMick · 17-11-2020 02:21PM

Some woman on the radio now blaming socialising in Limerick for the reason for the increase in cases with absolutely no scientific basis just hearsay and making it up!!

giveitholly · 17-11-2020 02:23PM

Doctor on radio one now(missed her name) blaming the outbreak in UHL on workers bringing the virus into the hospital from household settings

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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