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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #6842
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Yes, his policies did little to halt the spread of COVID-19.

    But lets stick to facts. A poster said Trump killed approx 500,000 people. That's not true. COVID-19 killed those people.

    Saying Trump killed them is a lie because he didn't kill them.

    Given how consistently and actively Trump has spread that virus, your defense is akin to someone claiming they didn't shoot the victim, the gun did.

    People would have still died with better handling of this by the US, but nowhere near the numbers that have as a direct result of Trumps failed handling of this and intentional, repeated lying to the public over the virus.

    There's a reason why Trump supporters spent much of the first half of the year trying to champions Trumps performance on covid due to having considerably lower infection and death rates than Ireland or the EU while others were warming this would one itably skyrocket if he didn't respond accordingly. And there's a reason these same Trump supporters haveno longer have any interest whatsoever in talking about either of those today, as the US is over 50% higher than the EU in cases per million, almost treble that of Ireland's, and close to double the death rates of both.


  • #6843
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Typical Trumpist response. You can see the problem with your logic but don't want to admit to it.

    You don't know me, no matter how much you like to talk to me like your my mammy. Look after yourself. moving on.


  • #6844
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    Given how consistently and actively Trump has spread that virus, your defense is akin to someone claiming they didn't shoot the victim, the gun did.

    People would have still died with better handling of this by the US, but nowhere near the numbers that have as a direct result of Trumps failed handling of this.

    There's a reason why Trump supporters spent much of the first half of the year trying to champions Trumps performance on covid due to having considerably lower infection and death rates than Ireland or the EU while others were warming this would one itably skyrocket if he didn't respond accordingly. And there's a reason these same Trump supporters haveno longer have any interest whatsoever in talking about either of those today, as the US is over 50% higher than the EU in cases per million, almost treble that of Ireland's, and close to double the death rates of both.

    I don't disagree with what you are saying and I'm not defending Trump.

    Yes, Trump's policies did fcukall to stop the spread of COVID-19, I'm not denying that. He did a ****e job. But he didn't kill 500k people, that's the only point I'm making.


  • #6845
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Vengeance:

    "punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong"

    Mod process is in line with the above, no?

    Creating a list of people like say for instance: Roger Stone, Michael Flynn etc in line with the post you were responding to, is the same thing.
    One is an internet forum, the other real life.
    If you find Roger Stone or Michael Flynn trolling on boards.ie, report their posts and a mod will decide.

    If you want to discuss modding process then I suggest Feedback or Helpdesk.
    That's all I will say about modding processes on boards here.


  • #6846
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Deleted User wrote:
    "Hate Crimes Under Trump Surged Nearly 20 Percent."
    I note that it's the highest figure in ten years so was it higher when Obama was POTUS?
    Also there was El Paso last year, if we removed that what would the figures look like?


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  • #6847
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    I mean, I don't want to Godwin the thread, but its like saying Hitler didn't kill any Jews because he didn't personally turn on the Gas chambers.

    Trump has provided the environment for this to fester and has done nothing to to stop it. The buck stops at his desk no matter how much he loves to shirk any responsibility.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome, Holocaustianity, Trump as Hitler, Covid Apocalypse, Trump as Murderer - It's amazing just how many media-generated narratives this tread is keeping alive. Imagine how bad it would be if he'd won.


  • #6848
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I note that it's the highest figure in ten years so was it higher when Obama was POTUS?
    Also there was El Paso last year, if we removed that what would the figures look like?

    all the stats you could want here. they dropped under Obama and rose again under Trump

    https://www.statista.com/chart/16100/total-number-of-hate-crime-incidents-recorded-by-the-fbi/


  • #6849
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    MontgomeryClift wrote: »
    Trump Derangement Syndrome, Holocaustianity, Trump as Hitler, Covid Apocalypse, Trump as Murderer - It's amazing just how many media-generated narratives this tread is keeping alive. Imagine how bad it would be if he'd won.

    If Trump had won the election, a lot of American cities would be either burning or burned at this stage.


  • #6850
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well then respond to my post like an adult and without resorting to insults. Why did you spend time at work going in and out of responding to an article you didn't read before instead going in and out of reading the article first?


    Well mammy, did you mean typical Trumpist as a compliment?

    I was responding to this message
    weisses wrote: »
    You named it a revenge list ... So how will this revenge play out

    A response to this message
    biko wrote: »
    What do you think these lists will be used for? In what context will they be used?
    What in your opinion will these staffers/admins/etc be held to account for?

    Let's say Trump manages to win in court, can they then put you on an accountability list for later use? What use?

    Thats where I entered, Im not going to read back further as I am at work so wasn't going to read back through the thread but like a mental person I thought I could leave a message on a message board. And instead of just saying why you disagree with me you started critiquing my usage of said message board. And here we are.
    So again, Im moving on. Cheers. And I wont call you a typical anything.


  • #6851
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    If Trump had won the election, a lot of American cities would be either burning or burned at this stage.

    he didn't. the trumpists need to start getting over it.


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  • #6852
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    all the stats you could want here. they dropped under Obama and rose again under Trump
    Cheers. That's kinda what I expected would be the case.
    Hopefully that figure drops sharply next year. I expect it will.


  • #6853
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Well mammy, did you mean typical Trumpist as a compliment?

    I was responding to this message

    A response to this message

    Thats where I entered, Im not going to read back further as I am at work so wasn't going to read back through the thread but like a mental person I thought I could leave a message on a message board. And instead of just saying why you disagree with me you started critiquing my usage of said message board. And here we are.
    So again, Im moving on. Cheers. And I wont call you a typical anything.

    You are fully aware these message are in response to an article that both of these users clearly have read based on the content of their messages. There's no need to be trying to act more foolish than you are to try to escape the fact that you wanted to take the lazy option of voicing your opinion on something that you didn't bother to spend thirty seconds reading up on.


  • #6854
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he didn't. the trumpists need to start getting over it.

    Agreed.

    By the way, I hope you aren't counting me as a Trumpist?


  • #6855
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    biko wrote: »
    One is an internet forum, the other real life.
    If you find Roger Stone or Michael Flynn trolling on boards.ie, report their posts and a mod will decide.

    If you want to discuss modding process then I suggest Feedback or Helpdesk.
    That's all I will say about modding processes on boards here.

    What should be done if they're doing it in real life?


  • #6856
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    MontgomeryClift wrote: »
    Trump Derangement Syndrome, Holocaustianity, Trump as Hitler, Covid Apocalypse, Trump as Murderer - It's amazing just how many media-generated narratives this tread is keeping alive. Imagine how bad it would be if he'd won.

    Lmao, is this for real?

    My response was an analogy related to the trumps responsibility in relation to this crisis, I wasn't calling him Hitler.

    I mean it's not like Trump engages in Authoritarianism, Race Baiting, Dehumanizing language of minorities...


  • #6857
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I don't disagree with what you are saying and I'm not defending Trump.

    Yes, Trump's policies did fcukall to stop the spread of COVID-19, I'm not denying that. He did a ****e job. But he didn't kill 500k people, that's the only point I'm making.

    They didn't kill 500k - onky 250k have officially died of covid in the US.

    He did however kill a large portion of that 250k - had he done a better job rather than actively encouraging the spread (note: he did it merely 'fail to stop the spread', he actively encouraged and facilitated it with his 'Liberation' armed uprisings and large scale rallies where no masks or distancing were required), a hell of a lot less people would have died.

    Had the US managed to keep its numbers in line with where they were compared to the EU or Ireland, we would likely be looking at about 70,000 dead Americans rather than 250,000. At the rate its going up, that figure will be over 333,000 by the time he leaves office in January.

    Had he not even stayed on lower rates despite all of his advantages and instead just matched the EU for death rates, the US would now be on about 150k dead. Had he just kept the death rate in line with Ireland as so many of his supporters were eager to compare them through the spring, the US would now be on about 125k dead.

    Instead, the US outside of NY/NJ has gone from one of the least impacted noteworthy nations on the planet by covid, to one of the very most.

    So yes, he absolutely was responsible for a huge portion of those 250m deaths and actively facilitated them.


  • #6858
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You are fully aware these message are in response to an article that both of these users clearly have read based on the content of their messages. There's no need to be trying to act more foolish than you are to try to escape the fact that you wanted to take the lazy option of voicing your opinion on something that you didn't bother to spend thirty seconds reading up on.

    I cant keep explaining the same things to you over and over. I don't have as much free time as you nor hold this argument to the same level of importance as you. If you want to report me go ahead but I'll use the site how I want to thank you very much. Insulting me again tut tut.


  • #6859
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I cant keep explaining the same things to you over and over. I don't have as much free time as you nor hold this argument to the same level of importance as you. If you want to report me go ahead but I'll use the site how I want to thank you very much. Insulting me again tut tut.

    Not insulting you, just pointing out that your post was completely pointless and is of no benefit to anyone on either side. If you're so busy at work, then perhaps avoiding this thread entirely would be in your best interest.


  • #6860
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not insulting you, just pointing out that your post was completely pointless and is of no benefit to anyone on either side. If you're so busy at work, then perhaps avoiding this thread entirely would be in your best interest.

    I gave my opinion and welcome people to disagree and inform me.
    You did neither just whinged about me not messaging how you would like me to or going back through the thread to read a article.
    Ill engage with the site how I wish within the rules cheers.


  • #6861
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    I am sure the Nazi and Soviet communists' had excuses that made sense to them for putting people on lists also. It all sounds like the start of the 'up against the wall' movement that happened under those two evil regimes.

    If someone has done something illegal in government then get the law to pursue them but do not start making lists, I think that would be obvious.
    You realise those who committed war crimes during ww2 ended up on lists? If criminal acts were committed, it's logical to investigate those involved...


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  • #6862
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I gave my opinion and welcome people to disagree and inform me.

    You gave an opinion of something you didn't know the facts about because you decided to jump straight over the research. And you still don't see an issue with that.
    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Ill engage with the site how I wish within the rules cheers.

    Great, and you will always get replies by myself and others pointing out that what you said either makes no sense or is completely pointless. So it's probably in your best interest to accept that you'll get such replies otherwise you will be keep trying to defend your pointless posts as you are now with even more pointless, non-constructive posts like "thanks for your time. Moving on.".


  • #6863
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not insulting you, just pointing out that your post was completely pointless and is of no benefit to anyone on either side. If you're so busy at work, then perhaps avoiding this thread entirely would be in your best interest.

    It's not utterly pointless if it signals virtuous and unwavering loyalty.

    I had an emoji after that last sentence, but got rid of it because the above literally is the sole reason for the types of posts you're responding to.


  • #6864
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You gave an opinion of something you didn't know the facts about because you decided to jump straight over the research. And you still don't see an issue with that.



    Great, and you will always get replies by myself and others pointing out that what you said either makes no sense or is completely pointless. So it's probably in your best interest to accept that you'll get such replies otherwise you will be keep trying to defend your pointless posts as you are now with even more pointless, non-constructive posts like "thanks for your time. Moving on.".

    I'm sure I'll survive.


  • #6865
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I'm sure I'll survive.

    Well you're struggling as it is defending your posts with just one person pointing out the futility of them. Time will tell.


  • #6866
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well you're struggling as it is defending your posts with just one person pointing out the futility of them. Time will tell.

    I didn't read the article, whats to defend? get over it.


  • #6867
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I didn't read the article, whats to defend? get over it.

    Defending your belief that you should be entitled to voice your opinion on things that you don't understand nor wish to understand better.


  • #6868
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    Funny analogy, since I do sometimes wonder how biko would react to someone repeatedly posting in the same manner as they do here in the forums they moderate.
    Probably get the greenflag if it was about muslims:P



    https://www.btselem.org/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes


  • #6869
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Defending your belief that you should be entitled to voice your opinion on things that you don't understand nor wish to understand better.

    I've read your article and I still think making lists of people who should be "held accountable" (whatever that means) just because they support a president or candidate you disagree with is not good form. Smacks of Authoritarianism.


  • #6870
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    I've read your article and I still think making lists of people who should be "held accountable" (whatever that means) just because they support a president or candidate you disagree with is not good form. Smacks of Authoritarianism.

    I think you meant to reply to this post.


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  • #6871
    Roger the cabin boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    It is simply a list of people whose CV you should check in case they forgot to include the fact that they willingly helped the worst American President in 100 years kill a half million* of your fellow citizens.

    Why would anyone but another crook hire any of them?

    (* not a half million yet, but it will be by Jan 21st)

    I read that Biden is quoted as saying more people may die' if Trump doesn't ensure smooth transfer of power'

    I mean, it's really worrying to me that this kind of politic (by any side tbh) and reportage is somehow now normal behaviour in society and that normal people just think its perfectly fine to come out with it without any critical review or thought.

    Its accusing people of murder and genocide.

    Really?

    I am actually really interested to see how these same people and politic are going to react once Biden is in the white house, doing exactly the same stuff as Trump or any other POTUS does or will do. I suspect it won't be the same.

    Its crazy stuff.


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