Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 03:47PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Ok, here's a more up to date video (last weekend) that's even worse.

Do you even check the date on things you post. Again 4 months ago

Widdensushi · 16-11-2020 03:48PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Usual NPHET Monday briefing at 5.30ish

https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1328335666871152641

6 so, hard to trust a gang that can't have a briefing on time that is prearranged

caveat emptor · 16-11-2020 03:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do you even check the date on things you post. Again 4 months ago

Here you go.

https://twitter.com/tarafayevents/status/1327743102468165632?s=20

10000maniacs · 16-11-2020 03:51PM

Edit : Posted same video as "caveat emptor"

JP Liz V1 · 16-11-2020 03:51PM

growleaves wrote: »

There were no fines introduced for standing on the street and anyway the DPP would be worried about the constitutional legality of trying to enforce fines for standing on the street.

I thought large gatherings was, not mixing with more than 2 from outside your home and family

I also thought street drinking of alcohol was illegal

growleaves · 16-11-2020 03:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So you are only able to meet people from one other household. The only people claiming that there was nothing wrong with hundreds of people meeting up with hundreds of people all from different households is the vintner's association.

So if you're standing on the street and other people are standing on the street you are "meeting" them because you're on the same street? They are public streets.

There was nowhere in the guidelines that said you can go into town and stand around getting pissed.

You don't need explicit permission to do things. You can do anything that isn't illegal.

wadacrack · 16-11-2020 03:52PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

6 so, hard to trust a gang that can't have a briefing on time that is prearranged

At this stage a reporter should ask why they are always late. It must be pretty annoying for everyone that turns up

Goldengirl · 16-11-2020 03:53PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Reminds me of being in school when the teacher would punish the whole class because it's easier than finding out who did something.

Incredibly frustrating for those of us sticking to the guidelines.

They haven't banned off licence sales .

awec · 16-11-2020 03:53PM

Yes, there are people breaking the rules. We had the same **** on twitter during the last lockdown, and the same hysteria on here in reaction to it.

ACitizenErased · 16-11-2020 03:53PM

Swab data

15/11/2020 - 374 positive swabs from 9184 tests, 4% positivity rate
16/11/2020 - 491 positive swabs from 11106 tests, 4.4% positivity rate

7 day rate now 3.8%

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 03:53PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tarafayevents/status/1327743102468165632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1327906286944612352%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwesternpeople.ie%2F2020%2F11%2F15%2Fdublin-pub-furious-at-video-of-crowd-reportedly-drinking-outside-its-doors%2F

3rd time lucky, Right so tell me in that video there what's happening that isn't already against the law and that is already possible to deal with instead of taking the sledgehammer approach.

In both Dublin and Cork the Gardai let it go for hours, thats my issue. Why bring in new rules when the existing ones weren't upheld by the people supposed to uphold them

vienne86 · 16-11-2020 03:54PM

491 positive swabs. Ugh!

10000maniacs · 16-11-2020 03:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do you even check the date on things you post. Again 4 months ago

The fact that it also happened at the weekend too is irrelevant to the argument?
Going back to my original point. Blame the idiots, not the government.

growleaves · 16-11-2020 03:54PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought large gatherings was, not mixing with more than 2 from outside your home and family

Being on the same street as someone isn't mixing with them. People were standing in groups of their friends and housemates.

I also thought street drinking of alcohol was illegal

Yep but there hasn't been new, large introduced fines for it.

froog · 16-11-2020 03:55PM

cork this weekend

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/history/gardai-ask-crowds-disperse-large-19283857

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 03:56PM

awec wrote: »

Yes, there are people breaking the rules. We had the same **** on twitter during the last lockdown, and the same hysteria on here in reaction to it.

Round and round in circles we go.

Protests, drinking in the street then house parties. Same arguments now again.

Its quite ironic though how some people have completely forgotten that the legislation on house parties and fines that was mentioned the week before level 5 came in still actually isn't in play for the Gardai, but somehow street drinking is the issue.

caveat emptor · 16-11-2020 03:57PM

growleaves wrote: »

Being on the same street as someone isn't mixing with them. People were standing in groups of their friends and housemates.

Yep but there hasn't been new, large introduced fines for it.

That's great fair play for getting in the time machine, going down there and retroactively confirming that it was all above board.

Eod100 · 16-11-2020 03:59PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought large gatherings was, not mixing with more than 2 from outside your home and family I also thought street drinking of alcohol was illegal

Garda line is they're not policing certain public health restrictions. I thought so about that but who knows tbh.

seamus · 16-11-2020 03:59PM

That's 4 days of growth now in the positivity rate. The level of growth is small, but it could accelerate.

Schools reopening could be a potential cause, but the dates don't match up. Schools returned two weeks ago yesterday. The increase started too early. And we didn't see an upswing like this when the schools originally opened.

What does match up here is mid-term break & Halloween weekend. House parties, field parties, other social gatherings, maybe?

That was also the week that we started to see numbers properly tumbling. It's possible that people lifted their guard, thinking, "We're past this wave, let's enjoy mid term".

Let's see this week out but if we don't see it slow and begin to drop again this time next week, then it may be level 3 or 4 all through December.

mcburns07 · 16-11-2020 04:02PM

It's fairly depressing that given the level of restrictions we're under now, we're no longer seeing reductions in the no. of cases.

Where you do go from here?

I suppose we can't lose sight of the fact that it was put in place to prevent the healthcare system from falling over and in that respect it's working. The issue is 500 cases can become 1000 so quickly.

Goldengirl · 16-11-2020 04:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats not whats being said here, where has anyone called for arrests ? What street parties, didn't look like any street party I've ever seen.

People complaining about drinking in the street, firstly in Dublin city centre its illegal move every on, not 2 or 3 hours after it starts, damage already done by then.

The Gardai weren't bothered until the social media commentary started, same as Dame Lane months ago, they knew about it anddid nothing and now everyone else gets punished

Agree .
I remember discussing this re Dame Lane , Berlin, and yesterday we were back here again .
Totally unfair on businesses that are closed as well as others who have not met their friends in weeks .
Not to mention that the gardaí have the legislation already in place to deal with this, amicably , no arrests or extreme measures needed .
Leaving it build for a couple of weeks because that's what happens if news gets around " hey the guards are not stopping us ", is not on when numbers are not going down.
Is there a reason do you think that the gardaí were not taking more concerted action?
Are they feeling under pressure ?

Seamai · 16-11-2020 04:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Swab data

15/11/2020 - 374 positive swabs from 9184 tests, 4% positivity rate
16/11/2020 - 491 positive swabs from 11106 tests, 4.4% positivity rate

7 day rate now 3.8%

I know the positive swabs and the actual new cases don't always line up but at 491 and two weeks till December 1st I'm struggling to see how we're going to reach under 100 new cases by then, with a few exceptions we seem to be stuck in the 400's.

timmyntc · 16-11-2020 04:04PM

seamus wrote: »

That's 4 days of growth now in the positivity rate. The level of growth is small, but it could accelerate.

Schools reopening could be a potential cause, but the dates don't match up. Schools returned two weeks ago yesterday. The increase started too early. And we didn't see an upswing like this when the schools originally opened.

What does match up here is mid-term break & Halloween weekend. House parties, field parties, other social gatherings, maybe?

That was also the week that we started to see numbers properly tumbling. It's possible that people lifted their guard, thinking, "We're past this wave, let's enjoy mid term".

Let's see this week out but if we don't see it slow and begin to drop again this time next week, then it may be level 3 or 4 all through December.

House gatherings - because people have no other social outlet and people are fed up of hiding at home when the risk to themselves is so low.

Midterm break had lots of families & friends coming together, halloween "parties" for children etc. It's hardly a surprise.

Take away people's social outlets, sports, restaurants, pubs etc. What else do you have to do with your time other than go for a walk (when its rarely dry) or go to someones house?

We would have lower rates of infection if we kept the ban on house visits in place, but opened pubs & restaurants with table service only. Even when pubs were open earlier in the year, they weren't the big source of infection - it was always gatherings at private houses.

wakka12 · 16-11-2020 04:04PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Nothing hugely surprising, I guess.

%Population %Covid cases %Covid deaths
Asia 59.69% 28% 20%
Africa 16.36% 4% 4%
Europe 9.94% 25% 25%
N. America 7.79% 24% 28%
S. America 5.68% 19% 23%
Oceania 0.54% 0.0008% 0.0008%

While there's no doubt Europe and N.America are disproportionately becasue of older age they are also one of the few regions in the world logging deaths correctly, so it's not truly representative. Mexico had almost 200,000 excess deaths at the end of September when they had only 70k confirmed COVID deaths. Mexico has a young population, unless there is a specific reason Mexicans are more vulnerable to the virus effects then it implies other hotspots like Indonesia and India with similar rate of spread and similar age demoraphic but much lower confirmed death rate are simply missing a lot of deaths

prunudo · 16-11-2020 04:06PM

This will probably depend on how people deem risks. But what is the daily number of cases that people are happy to put up with in order to live with covid.

mcburns07 · 16-11-2020 04:06PM

timmyntc wrote: »

House gatherings - because people have no other social outlet and people are fed up of hiding at home when the risk to themselves is so low.

Midterm break had lots of families & friends coming together, halloween "parties" for children etc. It's hardly a surprise.

Take away people's social outlets, sports, restaurants, pubs etc. What else do you have to do with your time other than go for a walk (when its rarely dry) or go to someones house?

We would have lower rates of infection if we kept the ban on house visits in place, but opened pubs & restaurants with table service only. Even when pubs were open earlier in the year, they weren't the big source of infection - it was always gatherings at private houses.

Do you mean since March?

seamus · 16-11-2020 04:08PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Take away people's social outlets, sports, restaurants, pubs etc. What else do you have to do with your time other than go for a walk (when its rarely dry) or go to someones house?

We would have lower rates of infection if we kept the ban on house visits in place, but opened pubs & restaurants with table service only. Even when pubs were open earlier in the year, they weren't the big source of infection - it was always gatherings at private houses.

Yep, I'm 100% with you on this, I think it's the biggest mistake they've made.

If you take away all of the options for controlled public gathering, people will gathering in an uncontrolled manner.

KrustyUCC · 16-11-2020 04:09PM

seamus wrote: »

That's 4 days of growth now in the positivity rate. The level of growth is small, but it could accelerate.

Schools reopening could be a potential cause, but the dates don't match up. Schools returned two weeks ago yesterday. The increase started too early. And we didn't see an upswing like this when the schools originally opened.

What does match up here is mid-term break & Halloween weekend. House parties, field parties, other social gatherings, maybe?

That was also the week that we started to see numbers properly tumbling. It's possible that people lifted their guard, thinking, "We're past this wave, let's enjoy mid term".

Let's see this week out but if we don't see it slow and begin to drop again this time next week, then it may be level 3 or 4 all through December.

Yes that makes sense

Getting hard to see 100 cases a day in two weeks time

I bet NPHET will recommend an extension to level 5

Roger_007 · 16-11-2020 04:09PM

These vaccine announcements are becoming ridiculous.
Pfizer- 90% efficacy.
Sputnik- 92% efficacy
Moderna- 94.5% efficacy.

What next? 101% efficacy?

Goldengirl · 16-11-2020 04:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does put into perspective just how badly Europe and the Americas have managed this.

I disagree.
Reflection on how well Asia has done .
Other factors regarding age of population, healthcare ,restrictions in different continents, and geographical situations will contribute to those results .

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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