Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

caveat emptor · 16-11-2020 02:48PM

froog wrote: »

so should we stop all efforts to prevent deaths from all causes then? no laws on the road, no health service, etc

or just covid cause it interferes with your social life?

that's where you are going logically.

I've seen that movie, it was scary. :eek:

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 02:49PM

Drumpot wrote: »

100% spot on.

This thread in particular has shown how people will bend a narrative to suit their preferred life proclivities.

“It’s about the economy , children , mental Heath etc”. Countries and their populations have been involved in far more horrific wars and have recovered. Children will be fine, I’d say their parents are projecting more anxieties onto children then anything else. My children have been fine, regressed a bit but that’s to be expected.

I think some people just can’t fathom what’s going on. It’s a virus , it spreads by human contact. The more people who meet in groups, the more opportunities it has to spread. It really is that simple, but people over complicate it with subjective sentiments that are reasonable but relatively irrelevant during a crisis.

Can you imagine during a war if you had people complaining about governments for telling them to keep their lights off at night so bombers don’t know where to bomb. This is comparable with this fascination some have with pubs, but it’s a popular fascination so it goes relatively unchallenged.

There's also the "this might be my granny's last year so we might as well kill her by spending Christmas with her" brigade.

froog · 16-11-2020 02:52PM

growleaves wrote: »

I don't feel any pessimism upon hearing statements like this.

It is obvious that the only route out of lockdown is to admit en masse that it is wrong, and then to make a different choice.

Are posters here going to spend the rest of their lives insisting that seeing your friends and family is the moral equivalent of drink driving?

we're going to have a vaccine early next year. in the meantime, we have protected our health service from collapsing and saved a lot of lives using the only tool available to us, lockdowns. mission accomplished.

it's baffling how people still have a problem with this or simply cannot understand it.

Cork2021 · 16-11-2020 02:52PM

Antares35 wrote: »

There's also the "this might be my granny's last year so we might as well kill her by spending Christmas with her" brigade.

What brigade is that? I think that’s a sad point of view you have. Shocking actually. We all deserve to spend time and especially the older generation

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 02:53PM

One thing I wonder sometimes, when my mind wanders. Say this was some kind of horrible flesh eating disease or one like ebola where your organs essentially liquify and you bleed out, would people be more compliant then? Is it just that a lot of people simple aren't afraid of getting covid, that the "it's just the flu" school of thought pervades, why we have so many not taking it seriously.

spookwoman · 16-11-2020 02:54PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I've seen that movie, it was scary. :eek:

But they get to party

KrustyUCC · 16-11-2020 02:54PM

Antares35 wrote: »

There's also the "this might be my granny's last year so we might as well kill her by spending Christmas with her" brigade.

Wow

Of course you could just spend time with granny in a safe manner

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 02:54PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

What brigade is that? I think that’s a sad point of view you have. Shocking actually. We all deserve to spend time and especially the older generation

The one that says it's ok to spend Christmas with your elderly relatives because it "might be their last year" notwithstanding that it might kill them.

ACitizenErased · 16-11-2020 02:55PM

Micheal Lehane reporting that takeaway drinks are being banned

Eod100 · 16-11-2020 02:56PM

Usual NPHET Monday briefing at 5.30ish

https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1328335666871152641

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 02:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Micheal Lehane reporting that takeaway drinks are being banned

Just going to push people to off licence purchases though? Unless they ban it altogether, though that would be anarchy

froog · 16-11-2020 02:57PM

Antares35 wrote: »

One thing I wonder sometimes, when my mind wanders. Say this was some kind of horrible flesh eating disease or one like ebola where your organs essentially liquify and you bleed out, would people be more compliant then? Is it just that a lot of people simple aren't afraid of getting covid, that the "it's just the flu" school of thought pervades, why we have so many not taking it seriously.

that's it in a nutshell. you'll find pretty much all of the anti restrictions crowd are not in the high risk groups and so that's where their care about the virus ends. it's sad but they are in the minority thankfully.

ACitizenErased · 16-11-2020 02:57PM

Glynn is back which means the other fella who bricks himself up there every week must be gone

Happydays2020 · 16-11-2020 02:59PM

Antares35 wrote: »

Just going to push people to off licence purchases though? Unless they ban it altogether, though that would be anarchy

NPHET would want that. They are back with their morality police stuff again which goes beyond the pandemic. Sad really as regulated environments are better that behind closed doors.

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 02:59PM

froog wrote: »

that's it in a nutshell. you'll find pretty much all of the anti restrictions crowd are not in the high risk groups and so that's where their care about the virus ends. it's sad but they are in the minority thankfully.

But do they not have family/ friends who are high risk? Any precautions we've taken have been more to protect others we are in contact with (although OH is at risk too).

KrustyUCC · 16-11-2020 02:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Micheal Lehane reporting that takeaway drinks are being banned

Overreaction from the government

I'm surprised they moved this quickly

Stheno · 16-11-2020 02:59PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I actually agree about the Tennis and individual activities that have been banned. They are effectively "victims" of a blunt tool being used at the moment. Where we differ is that I just accept it. I accept there is a crisis right now and some decisions being made are out of ease and partially out of figuring out how to manage the situation. Not everything makes sense because nobody has all the right answers right now.

We aren't in full control of the virus. I see regularly in here people expecting perfection from NEPHET who some act like they should have all the answers. They only point out what NEPHET has gotten wrong and I do not see too many of them correct themselves when NEPHET get things right. War is chaos, pandemic management is trying to put some order on chaos to our normal routine. In both cases , human behaviors and motives make it difficult to manage.

I have read books about human psychology as I find it fascinating. One example of particular interest is when a massive avalanche in a Welsh school killed a load of school children in the 60s. There are no apparent issues with depression or mass suicides in this town and they didn't need a load of therapists to go to that town and council people after the events. Then compare that with recent school shootings (for example) in the USA where there is councilors and therapists all over the victims and their families who apparently NEED this help.

What people think/believe they need and what they want can quite often get mixed up. What we need right now is to make sure we manage this spread the best possible way we can. Opening pubs is not a priority, nor should it be. People wanting to congregate is ok, but people doing it is not ok just because they are longing for it. Opening up pubs because people cant help themselves or act responsibly for a few months would be a sad indictment of those people. They can pretend otherwise and come up with some excuses as to why they "need" to socialize in this exact manner, but the fact is that nobody needs the pubs to open. Nobody needs to go drinking with friends, desperately wanting to do this is different from thinking you need to do this.

Of course people are suffering mentally. This is a crisis, we all crave "normalcy" during a crisis. I hadn't enjoyed the cinema as much as I have in decades then when it opened back up after lockdown. This is just a moment/period in our lives and its looking more like being a period we can look back on by the end of next year. If this is the worst crisis we suffer in our lives, we will be lucky.

Is the bit in bold referencing the Aberfan disaster? If so you might want to read up on the horrific psychological long term impacts it had on those who survived and their familes.

Heres a good start https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...2-560a19828c47

wakka12 · 16-11-2020 02:59PM

Antares35 wrote: »

One thing I wonder sometimes, when my mind wanders. Say this was some kind of horrible flesh eating disease or one like ebola where your organs essentially liquify and you bleed out, would people be more compliant then? Is it just that a lot of people simple aren't afraid of getting covid, that the "it's just the flu" school of thought pervades, why we have so many not taking it seriously.

I wondered this too, I think you'd certainly see a much more extreme and widespread cohort of complete reclusion, but you'd still see large numbers seeing what they can get away without causing harm to themselves as they gradually become desperate for close social contact after so many months of boredom. Especially as cases reduce exactly because of that fact, some might begin to wonder(hope) was it really so bad as initially thoughts, looks cases are low! Ignoring the reason why they are low, maybe hoping it was a natural subsidisation of the virus' own accord. We saw a lot of that over the summer. Spanish flu was so dangerous, most of all to the young and healthy, and yet compliance waned greatly after the first wave which led to resurgence. People are quick to forget trauma and think of their original perception as overexaggerated.

Maestro85 · 16-11-2020 03:00PM

Antares35 wrote: »

One thing I wonder sometimes, when my mind wanders. Say this was some kind of horrible flesh eating disease or one like ebola where your organs essentially liquify and you bleed out, would people be more compliant then? Is it just that a lot of people simple aren't afraid of getting covid, that the "it's just the flu" school of thought pervades, why we have so many not taking it seriously.

Unfortunately that is the attitude I am seeing a lot lately.

ACitizenErased · 16-11-2020 03:01PM

froog wrote: »

that's it in a nutshell. you'll find pretty much all of the anti restrictions crowd are not in the high risk groups and so that's where their care about the virus ends. it's sad but they are in the minority thankfully.

You mean “people like” me? I’m high risk, got my free flu jab last week. But cheers for the assumption.

Stheno · 16-11-2020 03:02PM

Has anyone posted this? Member of NPHET suggesting that current travel restrictions should remain in place right through Christmas??? Is she referencing the 5km rule?

Asked about travel restrictions, Dr Favier suggested Nphet would seek to have the existing guidelines on travel maintained in December.

“I think the restrictions on travel are appropriate now and unfortunately they’re going to be appropriate in five/six weeks time over the Christmas period.

“The virus doesn’t know the boundaries of a festive season,” she said. Asked about suggestions that people who received a negative test could travel home, she replied: “you could have a negative test every single day for the two weeks and you would still need to self-isolate.”

She said public health officials had said it was not appropriate to have non-essential travel. “We really need to follow our public health officials in this area, they are the experts,” Dr Favier said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-member-warns-against-opening-pubs-easing-travel-rules-over-christmas-1.4410587

Cork2021 · 16-11-2020 03:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Micheal Lehane reporting that takeaway drinks are being banned

Ffs

Eod100 · 16-11-2020 03:04PM

Stheno wrote: »

Has anyone posted this? Member of NPHET suggesting that current travel restrictions should remain in place right through Christmas??? Is she referencing the 5km rule?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-member-warns-against-opening-pubs-easing-travel-rules-over-christmas-1.4410587

Is that international travel? That's the way I read it as

wadacrack · 16-11-2020 03:04PM

Antares35 wrote: »

One thing I wonder sometimes, when my mind wanders. Say this was some kind of horrible flesh eating disease or one like ebola where your organs essentially liquify and you bleed out, would people be more compliant then? Is it just that a lot of people simple aren't afraid of getting covid, that the "it's just the flu" school of thought pervades, why we have so many not taking it seriously.

Think that's a very accurate assumption tbh. This virus appeared much worse back in March. Fear helped compliance. Now that is not the case.

mcburns07 · 16-11-2020 03:04PM

Stheno wrote: »

Has anyone posted this? Member of NPHET suggesting that current travel restrictions should remain in place right through Christmas??? Is she referencing the 5km rule?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-member-warns-against-opening-pubs-easing-travel-rules-over-christmas-1.4410587

Think it's in relation to travel into / out of the country.

wadacrack · 16-11-2020 03:05PM

https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1328337935075336193

growleaves · 16-11-2020 03:06PM

froog wrote: »

we're going to have a vaccine early next year. in the meantime, we have protected our health service from collapsing and saved a lot of lives using the only tool available to us, lockdowns. mission accomplished.

it's baffling how people still have a problem with this or simply cannot understand it.

The WHO chief said today that the vaccine will "complement" the restrictions, not replace them.

What is it that I am not understanding?

I am saying that people - especially people such as yourself, who support the restrictions - must be willing to put their foot down at some point.

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 03:07PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Think it's in relation to travel into / out of the country.

Did she mean to say that difficulties had been "unmasked". What an unfortunate choice of words

Can we not currently travel internationally as it is though?

stephenjmcd · 16-11-2020 03:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Micheal Lehane reporting that takeaway drinks are being banned

Complete over reaction, just being seen to do something

All they needed was the Gardai to actually enforce byelaws and existing public order legislation.

Stheno · 16-11-2020 03:08PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Is that international travel? That's the way I read it as

Dunno article just says "current travel restrictions"

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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