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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #4262
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    More positive news. We need that on a Monday like today!

    Just to add this one can be stored in a fridge for a month whereas the pfizer needs to be stored at -94 Celsius.

    Big news.

    https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1328310224864899074?s=20


  • #4263
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,846 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    We are approaching the end game


  • #4264
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    We are approaching the end game


    Pfizer, Moderna (and hopefully Oxford) be like:


    D3pO3uyWkAEQqpi.jpg


  • #4265
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Moderna suggesting 94.5% effectiveness, wow.

    Do they have data to prove this? I think Cilligan was looking for data or waiting for the data to be released before making judgements on the vaccine last week. He said something like its early days but it looks promising and allows hope. Something like that.

    . Now, another company says their vaccine works 94/95% and it just reads to be as if its companies competing with each other.


  • #4266
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Do they have data to prove this? I think Cilligan was looking for data or waiting for the data to be released before making judgements on the vaccine last week. He said something like its early days but it looks promising and allows hope. Something like that.

    . Now, another company says their vaccine works 94/95% and it just reads to be as if its companies competing with each other.
    We're not getting data. The EMA will get data, and make the decision for us.

    Why are you doubting it?


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  • #4267
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Every age group is decreasing except older people, I'd love to see you criticise them. Doubt that'll happen though.

    So what would you suggest? Let the old people die so you can live happily in your social Utopia? A Logans Run type scenario if you will?


  • #4268
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    More positive news. We need that on a Monday like today!

    Just to add this one can be stored in a fridge for a month whereas the pfizer needs to be stored at -94 Celsius.

    Big news.

    https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1328310224864899074?s=20

    Looks like a tesco sign.


  • #4269
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Do they have data to prove this? I think Cilligan was looking for data or waiting for the data to be released before making judgements on the vaccine last week. He said something like its early days but it looks promising and allows hope. Something like that.

    . Now, another company says their vaccine works 94/95% and it just reads to be as if its companies competing with each other.

    The companies don't even see the data so they don't know the effectiveness when its submitted for independent review. That independent review has now come back saying this is what the trial data shows us. 90% in Pfizer & BioNTech and Higher again in Moderna


  • #4270
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    Strumms wrote: »
    Better they go to the wall, then more people going to a grave.

    You do realise people depend on pubs for a living?


  • #4271
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    So what would you suggest? Let the old people die so you can live happily in your social Utopia? A Logans Run type scenario if you will?
    What are you harping on about? By that poster's logic, we should blame age groups who are seeing increases. Older people are seeing the biggest increases.


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  • #4272
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    So what would you suggest? Let the old people die so you can live happily in your social Utopia? A Logans Run type scenario if you will?

    Ridiculous statement. Stop the nonsense.

    ACE never suggested anything of the sort stop misrepresenting him.

    What is your agenda here?


  • #4273
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Strumms wrote: »
    Better they go to the wall, then more people going to a grave.




    That's a pretty disturbing comment to make.


  • #4274
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Cases per county compared to the previous week, courtesy of @RiochtConor2 on Twitter.
    All but 7 counties seeing decreases (Wicklow, Leitrim, Offaly, Waterford, Louth, Limerick, Donegal).
    Em4dZ1ZXUAEcE4s?format=png&name=small


  • #4275
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    You do realise people depend on pubs for a living?

    Cant they just get new jobs. Sure isn't the economy booming at the moment.

    Oh wait!!


  • #4276
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    More positive news. We need that on a Monday like today!

    Just to add this one can be stored in a fridge for a month whereas the pfizer needs to be stored at -94 Celsius.

    Big news.

    https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1328310224864899074?s=20

    One thing to note about the trials is that they dont expose participants to COVID-19. They vaccinate half and placebo half, then its just a case of who gets COVID.
    So in theory it could be just pure luck that the placebo group had more cases than the vaccine group.


  • #4277
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Cases per county compared to the previous week, courtesy of @RiochtConor2 on Twitter.
    All but 7 counties seeing decreases (Wicklow, Leitrim, Offaly, Waterford, Louth, Limerick, Donegal).
    Em4dZ1ZXUAEcE4s?format=png&name=small

    Going by Gavan Reilly's figures yesterday, Wicklow are 49 last week vs 51 current week and a 69/100k 14 day figure. Its consistently been in the bottom 3 the last month so I'm not too concerned at present.


  • #4278
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Ridiculous statement. Stop the nonsense.

    ACE never suggested anything of the sort stop misrepresenting him.

    What is your agenda here?

    He has been spouting the same old Donald Trump mantra for the last three months that people are going to die with or without COVID and we'll likely have the exact same amount of deaths as any given year.
    If this is true in the Republic, it is only because of the lockdowns.


  • #4279
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    He has been spouting the same old Donald Trump mantra for the last three months that people are going to die with or without COVID and we'll likely have the exact same amount of deaths as any given year.
    If this is true in the Republic, it is only because of the lockdowns.

    I think you need to reflect on your accusations


  • #4280
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    I think you need to reflect on your accusations

    Not so much. It wasn't an accusation, just a question.


  • #4281
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    He has been spouting the same old Donald Trump mantra for the last three months that people are going to die with or without COVID and we'll likely have the exact same amount of deaths as any given year.
    If this is true in the Republic, it is only because of the lockdowns.

    You know people die? We could all be dead tomorrow, with or without COVID, it’s a fact


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  • #4282
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Some interesting research released by the ONS:
    COVID was found to be the underlying cause of death in 86.7% of people who died after testing positive, this compares with influenza where it is found to be the underlying cause of death among just 15% of those who pass after testing positive.


    https://www.ft.com/content/27eee564-2a0e-4cc3-b5b8-5cbbf5ff90fe
    So I guess the whole dying WITH not OF thing can be safely put to rest now, it's just baseless noise at this stage. As if there was any likelihood of hundreds of thousands of people in Europe just so happening to die of unrelated causes within the very short two period they had an active infection.
    Not that it comes as any surprise given the massive excess deaths which very clearly indicate it is killing people, may not have had long to live sure, but it certainly proves that the vast majority were not simply dying 'with ' COVID.

    When it was announced that a vast majority of COVID victims has underlying conditions, this seemed to come as a revelation of sorts to some people and a cue to dismiss it all as completely harmless infection and accuse the government of overcounting deaths of those who tested positive unrelated to their reason for death, as if 'underlying condition' was now an interchangeable term with terminal illness , when we had no idea what relevance the condition had to the death. Alzheimers is the most common underlying condition that COVID patients died with, as far as I know the condition specifically makes them no more likely than their healthy peers to die from COVID,it is just a common underlying condition because age is a risk factor and many old people suffer from alzheimers. Regardless, their deaths will be listed as underlying conditions .


  • #4283
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    You know people die? We could all be dead tomorrow, with or without COVID, it’s a fact

    so should we stop all efforts to prevent deaths from all causes then? no laws on the road, no health service, etc

    or just covid cause it interferes with your social life?

    that's where you are going logically.


  • #4284
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    You know people die? We could all be dead tomorrow, with or without COVID, it’s a fact

    Ok so, to take your argument a little further, are you by that statement justifying having no lockdowns whatsoever?


  • #4285
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Who's melting down about pubs? All that's happening on here is meltdown that pubs are doing takeaways.

    And it's wrong that there are meltdowns about the takeaways. Pubs need every avenue of making a few quid right now. And if they sell takeaway they are not the cause of any problem.

    But the people that say they are the experts are saying, as per MM:

    "Widespread congregation of people on our streets facilitates the spreading of the virus, we are going to have to review, in particular, the whole take-away pints phenomenon, we are going to review that and see what we can do".

    Now, he is either correct or incorrect that the large groups we've seen recently such as in Sth William Street, are causing transmission. I don't know, and I've always felt that risk outside was extremely minimal.

    But big gangs having pints all night in close proximity may be more risky than a couple of people having a pint in the pub under controlled conditions. But they've closed off that avenue, don't want people having parties inside, and don't want socialising outside now.

    In my view the happy medium may be restrictions on number gathering outside too, so if there are 10 people in a group they get moved along.

    Someone mentioned they hadn't seen this new 'phenomenon' of the take away parties. Certainly where I am in Sth Dublin there is a lot of it over the last couple of weeks. Not large groups though, so no particular issue with it.


  • #4286
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭growleaves


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    But they've closed off that avenue, don't want people having parties inside, and don't want socialising outside now.

    Yes, and now the WHO chief says a vaccine will "complement the other tools, not replace them."


  • #4287
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Ok so, to take your argument a little further, are you by that statement justifying having no lockdowns whatsoever?

    No?


  • #4288
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭growleaves


    growleaves wrote: »
    Yes, and now the WHO chief says a vaccine will "complement the other tools, not replace them."

    I don't feel any pessimism upon hearing statements like this.

    It is obvious that the only route out of lockdown is to admit en masse that it is wrong, and then to make a different choice.

    Are posters here going to spend the rest of their lives insisting that seeing your friends and family is the moral equivalent of drink driving?


  • #4289
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    froog wrote: »
    so should we stop all efforts to prevent deaths from all causes then? no laws on the road, no health service, etc

    or just covid cause it interferes with your social life?

    that's where you are going logically.

    By that logic you are suggesting that people want all restrictions removed, nobody has said this, people are saying that maybe the restrictions are too severe. Lets go by your analogy, if we reduced all speed limits to 30kmph it will greatly reduce road deaths but would that be too severe of restrictions to implement.


  • #4290
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Cases per county compared to the previous week, courtesy of @RiochtConor2 on Twitter.
    All but 7 counties seeing decreases (Wicklow, Leitrim, Offaly, Waterford, Louth, Limerick, Donegal).
    Em4dZ1ZXUAEcE4s?format=png&name=small

    That's good to see

    Hopefully there will be less than 7 increasing this week


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  • #4291
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    By that logic you are suggesting that people want all restrictions removed, nobody has said this, people are saying that maybe the restrictions are too severe. Lets go by your analogy, if we reduced all speed limits to 30kmph it will greatly reduce road deaths but would that be too severe of restrictions to implement.

    i'm responding to a poster who's latest argument seems to be "yerra we all die"

    if my response seems ridiculous, it's because the original argument is ridiculous.


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