Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

niallo27 wrote: »

And you think people will be happy seeing no family or friends for 8 months. No social life, no job, not being able to pay mortgages. Are you out of work may I ask.

Banks have offered payment breaks of 3 months with reviews.

Nobody is happy about it but it’s better then being sick or dead.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The Gardai broke them up last night after a while using public order legislation but there's nothing they can do in terms of distancing etc, none of that is a penal provision, its a public health guideline which Gardai have no powers to enforce. I know that's not what people want to hear but its the reality here. All they can ask is you move on

Well most of the people there are not troublemakers just young people gathering so I for one am happy if the guards do just move them on because most will disperse amicably .
What annoyed me is that I heard stories of the guards not doing anything at all in the instances other than South William St last night .

Deleted User wrote: »

People have certainly lost touch with reality...
3 or 4 billion is a staggering amount. And we’ve already been paying it for months with possibly months more ahead

it's not a staggering figure at all. ireland's GDP is about 340 billion. we borrowed well over a hundred billion during the recession. and money is very cheap right now from europe.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Payment breaks no longer have to be offered in the form that they were earlier this year. Its up to your bank. Some banks are now closed for new applicants to this and operate on a case by case basis.

There's no blanket break anymore that finished in September

Don’t ‘have’ to be but ‘ARE’ being, I know two families in this scenario.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Well most of the people there are not troublemakers just young people gathering so I for one are happy if the guards do just move them on because most will disperse amicably .
What annoyed me is that I heard stories of the guards not doing anything at all in the instances other than South William St last night .

I wish we had more consistency in policing restrictions from the Guards in difficult situations, and less checkpoints pulling in families on the N11 heading to the beach. "Policing by consent" is all very well, but that shouldn't be confused with passiveness.

In saying that rant, I'm torn about the street drinking. You'd prefer it not to happen, but if it did you'd prefer it to be outside and not inside. We lost a trick I think by not creating outdoor areas which could be controlled - apparently our climate makes this impossible, despite the obvious evidence of hundreds of people standing out in a street when they get a chance.

Strumms wrote: »

Don’t ‘have’ to be but ‘ARE’ being, I know two families in this scenario.

As I've said its a case by case basis, for the 2 you know that got a break I've a family member that didn't when they lost their job due to 2nd lockdown, know others in the same boat as well.

So there isn't the automatic safety net there that was there previously when you got a break no questions asked

froog wrote: »

no one's "happy" with the restrictions ffs. it's about a bit of sacrifice to stop people dying.

That’s it in a nutshell really, when you strip away all the noise.

The problem is when some people’s definition of “bit of sacrifice” is wildly different to someone else’s. I think in the last, I dunno, 50 years maybe, we’ve generally become unaccustomed to being told we can’t do something. We haven’t really had wars or famines or anything long lasting that required collective action (thankfully).

froog wrote: »

once again, it's about saving lives. these restrictions stop people dying. that doesn't seem to register at all with some people which is baffling and worrying.

We have to accept some people will die, its a pandemic. When the vaccine comes in, do you think we should keep the restrictions, we would save thousands of lives from other diseases and viruses or are you only worried about covid deaths.

nofools wrote: »

Or more validly imo we have to accept that some businesses will die. I know which unfortunate trade off I prefer as dead or disabled people can't brush themselves off and start again.

As long as its not your business though.

hmmm wrote: »

I wish we had more consistency in policing restrictions from the Guards in difficult situations, and less checkpoints pulling in families on the N11 heading to the beach. "Policing by consent" is all very well, but that shouldn't be confused with passiveness.

In saying that rant, I'm torn about the street drinking. You'd prefer it not to happen, but if it did you'd prefer it to be outside and not inside. We lost a trick I think by not creating outdoor areas which could be controlled - apparently our climate makes this impossible, despite the obvious evidence of hundreds of people standing out in a street when they get a chance.

Yes , many drink and dine outside in colder climates , it's the bloody rain that does for us here , but am sure something could and should have been organised by now . If businesses had known from May or June that this winter would be a complete shambles unless everyone could eat outside then maybe they could have built covered spaces that were well ventilated . Councils should have got on board since the summer , with many not even allowing restaurants put tables outside , except Cork notably .
Thing about outside is it can still be transmitted in cold dank weather if in uncontrolled situations , like those we were discussing .
Let businesses open in December, give funds for pergolas and awnings and overhead twinkly lights and everybody wear some knitted Longjohns and woolly jumpers, or just under armour even , with social distancing, and it might not be so bad after all

niallo27 wrote: »

As long as its not your business though.

Peoples lives > any business

This shouldn’t be difficult for any rational person

bennyl10 wrote: »

Peoples lives > any business

This shouldn’t be difficult for any rational person

Key being ‘rational’