Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Jim_Hodge · 15-11-2020 10:07PM

jackboy wrote: »

I live in a rural area and pretty much no one is following the 5 k rule. The general attitude is that the rule is nonsense. The guards are not enforcing it either. Maybe it is different in urban areas.

And I live in a rural area when everybody is observing the restrictions. The only ones not following the 5km are doing so for legitimate reasons like work and grocery shopping.

Goldengirl · 15-11-2020 10:08PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Boris is in self isolation again.

It will come as no surprise to anyone who read my posts when he first got it that I greatly hope he is reinfected.

Not just because I rate him as the third or maybe fourth worst person in the world, but because this idea that only thirteen people have been reinfected is utter bullsh!t.

Parting kiss with Dominic Cummings

Goldengirl · 15-11-2020 10:11PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Except the incidence rate in older people is still increasing unfortunately.

Not sure whats wrong by stating that its growing

Because he is saying they are to be blamed for that .

How can you blame the most vulnerable to this virus for picking it up ?

Would you think its correct to blame immunocompromised or cancer patients if they pick it up ?

lemonTrees · 15-11-2020 10:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

German finance minister reckons 4-5 months of ‘severe’ restrictions. Which sounds about right to me. Common sense. We’ll be coming into nicer weather and hopefully most of our vulnerable will be vaccinated, even though it won’t be until much later in the year that vaccine is widely distributed such that we have ‘herd immunity’. I’d expect pretty much normality after Easter, albeit still wearing masks for a while

Very very optimistic timeline of Easter tbh. If we have a return to any sense of normality by next Summer i'll be considering it a huge success.

polesheep · 15-11-2020 10:14PM

screamer wrote: »

I am really hoping for the best, that the vaccine will be available soon, however, I fear Groundhog Day is just going to continue. We’ll be in rolling lockdowns till at least the end of April, moving between level 3 and 5 depending on the covid infection rates. It’s so hard to accept that, so much has been taken from us already in terms of quality of our lives. I genuinely don’t believe what Nphet are spinning us either. It just seems this will run on and on for a lot longer than anyone wants it to. Just fed up of covid now, fed up hearing of it, reading stats, listening to Holohan and the government, I’m kinda numb to it at this stage and nothing actually surprises me, nor do I care anymore.

The vaccine really is imminent. It will be quickly rolled out to those most at risk and we will rapidly get back to normal.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 10:14PM

Strumms wrote: »

But the public will accept it when they see a handful of people from respectful circles of life being given a criminal record and 10 days in the joy.

OK ill go with it, what do you think deserves jail time. Going over 5k, having someone in your house. What do you think deserves jail time.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-11-2020 10:14PM

Any day under 500 cases is a good day in my opinion.

MOR316 · 15-11-2020 10:14PM

People I know and don't know are not following the 5k restrictions.

Maybe it's different in the rest of the country and everywhere else is following the 5k restriction

wadacrack · 15-11-2020 10:15PM

screamer wrote: »

I am really hoping for the best, that the vaccine will be available soon, however, I fear Groundhog Day is just going to continue. We’ll be in rolling lockdowns till at least the end of April, moving between level 3 and 5 depending on the covid infection rates. It’s so hard to accept that, so much has been taken from us already in terms of quality of our lives. I genuinely don’t believe what Nphet are spinning us either. It just seems this will run on and on for a lot longer than anyone wants it to. Just fed up of covid now, fed up hearing of it, reading stats, listening to Holohan and the government, I’m kinda numb to it at this stage and nothing actually surprises me, nor do I care anymore.

I think that's how many of us all feel. But I think theirs a way out with the vaccine and rapid testing and it maybe is sooner than people realise. 10-12 weeks the situation with this virus I think will look far more promising

Jim_Hodge · 15-11-2020 10:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

So the rising incidence in older people means we must now blame older people?

Absurd comment. No, those not abiding by restrictions and helping the community spread are to blame.

froog · 15-11-2020 10:16PM

niallo27 wrote: »

We can't afford that and public won't accept it whether you think its for the best or not.

well sorry but you don't speak for the public. most people are in favour of restrictions, particularly in light of the global situation right now where in case you haven't been following the news, is completely out of control.

political analyst · 15-11-2020 10:16PM

jackboy wrote: »

Not really, a lot of these restrictions are not relevant for controlling the virus. The spike a while ago was down to large gatherings indoors.

The end of the GAA club championships was a major issue in lots of counties. Those outbreaks have run their course.

We have outbreaks again in hospitals and nursing homes. If they are not sorted soon the level 5 unfortunately will be extended, to deflect again from the real issues.

So why are the measures taken to prevent these outbreaks - PPE, hand sanitising - not working?

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 10:16PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Absurd comment. No, those not abiding by restrictions and helping the community spread are to blame.

It’s sarcasm Jim, you don’t need to be offended at every sarcastic comment.

ShyMets · 15-11-2020 10:17PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Boris is in self isolation again.

It will come as no surprise to anyone who read my posts when he first got it that I greatly hope he is reinfected.

Not just because I rate him as the third or maybe fourth worst person in the world, but because this idea that only thirteen people have been reinfected is utter bullsh!t.

So your hoping someone gets reinfected with Covid. Stay classy

Jim_Hodge · 15-11-2020 10:18PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Any day under 500 cases is a good day in my opinion.

Only if you don't want any relaxing of restrictions. Kermit, you know anything above 150-200 a day is not what we need to get to.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 10:19PM

polesheep wrote: »

The vaccine really is imminent. It will be quickly rolled out to those most at risk and we will rapidly get back to normal.

I really think it is too, other vaccines are being mass produced as we speak as well so once some of them get approval the stock level of vaccines rises dramatically.

stephenjmcd · 15-11-2020 10:19PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Because he is saying they are to be blamed for that .

How can you blame the most vulnerable to this virus for picking it up ?

Would you think its correct to blame immunocompromised or cancer patients if they pick it up ?

I don't think that's the point being made here, another poster said you can attribute blame to older people if they pick it up and from what I can see ACE attempted to question that by asking said poster would they now blame older people and said poster replied saying yes if they aren't following restrictions.

Nobody should be being blamed, I thought that was the whole point here, if you start the blame game people just won't come forward for tests.

Strumms · 15-11-2020 10:21PM

niallo27 wrote: »

OK ill go with it, what do you think deserves jail time. Going over 5k, having someone in your house. What do you think deserves jail time.

I think by breaking restrictions you receive a probation order with a fine. A probation order can last up to three years...or for three years, do it a second time, criminal record and conviction... taking you chances with the sentence.

That’s fair, reasonable and a deterrent.

Goldengirl · 15-11-2020 10:21PM

screamer wrote: »

I am really hoping for the best, that the vaccine will be available soon, however, I fear Groundhog Day is just going to continue. We’ll be in rolling lockdowns till at least the end of April, moving between level 3 and 5 depending on the covid infection rates. It’s so hard to accept that, so much has been taken from us already in terms of quality of our lives. I genuinely don’t believe what Nphet are spinning us either. It just seems this will run on and on for a lot longer than anyone wants it to. Just fed up of covid now, fed up hearing of it, reading stats, listening to Holohan and the government, I’m kinda numb to it at this stage and nothing actually surprises me, nor do I care anymore.

I think most would agree with this except a lot do believe NPHET .
I think/ hope we will be at level 2 for Christmas but think we will be back up the levels again after January .

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 10:21PM

froog wrote: »

well sorry but you don't speak for the public. most people are in favour of restrictions, particularly in light of the global situation right now where in case you haven't been following the news, is completely out of control.

You said till next June, you think people really want to be stuck to 5km for the next 8 months. You think we can afford to pay pup to half a million people for 8 months. Are you listening to what your saying

spookwoman · 15-11-2020 10:22PM

Uploaded the age data to google docs for anyone to see. r7 and r14 are rolling 7 and 14 day totals.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GY0ro2kCYeiWceTNmX_eQGP3vDzZ3DWAcpEnXxT_65A/edit?usp=sharing

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 10:23PM

Strumms wrote: »

I think by breaking restrictions you receive a probation order with a fine. A probation order can last up to three years...or for three years, do it a second time, criminal record and conviction... taking you chances with the sentence.

That’s fair, reasonable and a deterrent.

Do you realise how utterly stupid and unworkable that would be.

political analyst · 15-11-2020 10:25PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

People socialising in open air is not safe, they should still social distance by 2 metres..... been the case for months now....

I don't go around checking on house parties but lets all be honest, they are happening.

I agree the Majority of Irish people deserve the credit and the majority of Irish people do get the credit they deserve, however the low numbers compared to Europe are due to our Government putting in the restrictions earlier than most of Europe.

So overall we agree that the majority of people are doing good and deserve the credit, however those minority who aren't deserve to also get the blame they deserve. It is them stopping us from getting go level 2 or less for Christmas, not the governments fault.

Such parties are illegal anyway if they take place without permission from the authorities, e.g. the illegal raves that took place in Britain in the 1980s.

Clamping down on gatherings because of Covid is like banning alcohol because it causes cirrhosis - you only have to ask the Americans to see how that turned out in the 1920s! Furthermore, HPV causes cancer but the authorities didn't ban people from having sex with each other when awareness of cervical cancer increased.

froog · 15-11-2020 10:26PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You said till next June, you think people really want to be stuck to 5km for the next 8 months. You think we can afford to pay pup to half a million people for 8 months. Are you listening to what your saying

it's about 3-4 billion to pay PUP for 6 months. that will not break the country.

Macu17ab · 15-11-2020 10:28PM

froog wrote: »

it's about 3-4 billion to pay PUP for 6 months. that will not break the country.

And whatever the government loses out on tax revenue as a direct result of lockdown

Strumms · 15-11-2020 10:28PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you realise how utterly stupid and unworkable that would be.

If it saves lives it’s not stupid, it’s very workable.

There are less people going to prison since covid. Crime and crime trends are way down ... that would facilitate the implementation of such an idea, act as a deterrent to fûckwits risking the health of their fellow citizens.

Goldengirl · 15-11-2020 10:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I don't think that's the point being made here, another poster said you can attribute blame to older people if they pick it up and from what I can see ACE attempted to question that by asking said poster would they now blame older people and said poster replied saying yes if they aren't following restrictions.

Nobody should be being blamed, I thought that was the whole point here, if you start the blame game people just won't come forward for tests.

Nobody should be blamed for picking it up , that can happen anyone .
But I am pvssed off at the constant partying in the streets when we have community transmission .
I don't agree that the police are doing enough.
Those crowds are not distancing and are in large groups when rest of us are not meeting anyone from outside our family .
It's just not on .
Move them on , break them up , with good humour but firmly , and respect the fact that people doing their best and businesses are not happy about it .

Btw fair enough if that is what ACE was saying , but it was a bit opaque to more than me !

Stark · 15-11-2020 10:30PM

It's a false trade-off between "protecting the economy" and "protecting public health" anyway. Uncontrolled covid spread is devastating for both supply (businesses forced to shut down due to sick employees) and demand (no-one wants to go out for dinner during a raging pandemic). You can see this in economic data from the US states with very relaxed restrictions, they suffered far more economic damage than the states that locked down. Sweden isn't looking too good compared to its Nordic neighbours either. The question isn't whether we lift lockdown and accept higher case numbers in turn for "protecting the economy", it's how can we come up with measures of controlling covid that give more bang for buck.

In Ireland, from what I can see, we need to up our contract tracing game and also do something to tackle outbreaks in private homes.

stephenjmcd · 15-11-2020 10:31PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Nobody should be blamed for picking it up , that can happen anyone .
But I am pvssed off at the constant partying in the streets when we have community transmission .
I don't agree that the police are doing enough.
Those crowds are not distancing and are in large groups when rest of us are not meeting anyone from outside our family .
It's just not on .
Move them on , break them up , with good humour but firmly , and respect the fact that people doing their best and businesses are not happy about it .

The Gardai broke them up last night after a while using public order legislation but there's nothing they can do in terms of distancing etc, none of that is a penal provision, its a public health guideline which Gardai have no powers to enforce hence in the Garda statement it referenced no breaches detected. I know that's not what people want to hear but its the reality here. All they can ask is you move on.

Its an offence to organise an event such as a protest, any gathering etc at the moment but only to organise, attending isn't, as silly as thst is.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 10:32PM

froog wrote: »

it's about 3-4 billion to pay PUP for 6 months. that will not break the country.

And you think people will be happy seeing no family or friends for 8 months. No social life, no job, not being able to pay mortgages. Are you out of work may I ask.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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