Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Strumms · 15-11-2020 07:50PM

manniot2 wrote: »

People are fed up of it, you can’t blame them, it’s one thing having a temporary lockdown but endless restrictions is too much for a lot of people to bear. Dublin has been in level 3+ since mid September ffs. NPHET have over estimated Tony’s power to persuade this time I think, more people are seeing it for the back slapping, cover up job it is, at this stage.

Some people are just annoyed that their habits and enjoyment of life is curtailed.

If you can’t bare it, the problems are not with the restrictions which have been verified to succeed, keeping people healthy and alive, if you cant bare that, YOU have and are the issue, not restrictions.

15-11-2020 07:52PM

Strumms wrote: »

Some people are just annoyed that their habits and enjoyment of life is curtailed.

If you can’t bare it, the problems are not with the restrictions which have been verified to succeed, keeping people healthy and alive, if you cant bare that, YOU have and are the issue, not restrictions.

I hope you feel fantastic as the self-righteous perfect citizen. I also hope people living their lives annoys the hell out of you

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 07:53PM

The age figures suggest that there is either:
1) a serious issue in nursing homes
2) a serious issue in hospitals

The numbers simply don’t point to anything other than that. School going ages are seeing no increase.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 07:54PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Who said going to level 3, if people had cop on more behaved I don't see any reason why it couldn't be level 2.
However due to the behaviour of some and the non compliance to the restrictions/advice then I don't see that happening as it stands. But that isn't because of the government its because of the people, not a large portion but enough to feck it up for everyone.

Michael Martin already said level 3, so the minority **** it up for the majority. All long before people get fed up that no matter what they do it makes no difference to restrictions been lifted. There hasn't been a pub open in Dublin since March, you are living in fantasy land if you think nphet will recommend it now. Not sure why there is a thumbs down on top of my post.

Stark · 15-11-2020 07:59PM

I'm starting to worry that the puritanism approach to the lockdown may be backfiring. When you take a look at the outbreak stats, outbreaks in private homes are by far the dominating factor and all the other outbreaks are fairly trivial in comparison. Main reason the first lockdown was successful imo was we had great weather and long days so there was plenty of opportunity for people to have their social contact needs met in relatively safe environments. Despite all the curtain twitchers losing their **** over photographs of people have picnics in parks, people were doing exactly what they were supposed to, choosing a safe environment to meet instead of high-risk indoor environments. Now with level 5 and any sort of controlled and managed fun activities forbidden, we're seeing people being pushed behind closed doors to socialise with disastrous results. They seriously need to go back to the drawing board and say "right, these things: a game of golf, a stroll in the Wicklow mountains, a bike ride, retail shopping with mask and other control measures, these are relatively safe, let's allow them and give people a distraction from sitting at home drinking".

Failing that, actually police the house gatherings instead of continuing to further punish business owners who have mostly been doing the right thing.

alentejo · 15-11-2020 07:59PM

I am becoming increasingly pi$$3d off with NEPID and Tony Houlhan talking down to everyone and being some kind of moral guardian of the state.

normanoffside · 15-11-2020 08:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The age figures suggest that there is either:
1) a serious issue in nursing homes
2) a serious issue in hospitals

The numbers simply don’t point to anything other than that. School going ages are seeing no increase.

Asymptomatic school kids must be going into nursing homes and Hospitals and infecting the residents and staff.

Shelly66 · 15-11-2020 08:04PM

There has been bars doing takeaway pints and this is issue as people drinking in the vicinity of these bars , one near dublin dockland I know of . Am really annoyed by what's happening in temple bar we all want to get back to level 2 at least.

davemckenna25 · 15-11-2020 08:06PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Michael Martin already said level 3, so the minority **** it up for the majority. All long before people get fed up that no matter what they do it makes no difference to restrictions been lifted. There hasn't been a pub open in Dublin since March, you are living in fantasy land if you think nphet will recommend it now. Not sure why there is a thumbs down on top of my post.

I never said they were going to recommend it now, but they would have if more people had behaved better.
Not a chance or recommending it now because of how numbers are, but if more people had behaved then they would have due to the lower numbers.

Did you not see the video of the drinking on the streets of Dublin? Are you saying that house parties aren't going on? These are only 2 of the reasons why I don't think we will be at level 2.

Do you think the government/NPHET wouldn't like to be level 2 or even lower, of course they would. There is no incentive for the government or NPHET to recommend the higher restrictions other than the safety of peoples health.

The only ones who can get the numbers down are the people through their behaviours and actions.

igCorcaigh · 15-11-2020 08:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The age figures suggest that there is either:
1) a serious issue in nursing homes
2) a serious issue in hospitals

The numbers simply don’t point to anything other than that. School going ages are seeing no increase.

I'm with you on the schools issue, but just wondering would school transmission be hidden from the data because of the kids being asymptomatic and therefore not tested?

spookwoman · 15-11-2020 08:08PM

alentejo wrote: »

I am becoming increasingly pi$$3d off with NEPID and Tony Houlhan talking down to everyone and being some kind of moral guardian of the state.

People need to stop blaming NPHET, they are not the ones spreading the virus. If restriction continue longer than expected that's because of selfish people who cannot follow basic rules to stop the spread.

screamer · 15-11-2020 08:14PM

I see workplaces are also being blamed for spread. Government to blame here, telling people who can work from home that they should is a pile of horse manure, it’s the employers who should be forced to comply. Those Gardai on checkpoint Charlie on the N7 would be better asking about your employers business than causing the tailbacks and commuter misery they have been dishing up daily for poor feckers forced into workplaces by their employers.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 15-11-2020 08:16PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Asymptomatic school kids must be going into nursing homes and Hospitals and infecting the residents and staff.

Or their parents work there

Widdensushi · 15-11-2020 08:16PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

I never said they were going to recommend it now, but they would have if more people had behaved better.
Not a chance or recommending it now because of how numbers are, but if more people had behaved then they would have due to the lower numbers.

Did you not see the video of the drinking on the streets of Dublin? Are you saying that house parties aren't going on? These are only 2 of the reasons why I don't think we will be at level 2.

Do you think the government/NPHET wouldn't like to be level 2 or even lower, of course they would. There is no incentive for the government or NPHET to recommend the higher restrictions other than the safety of peoples health.

The only ones who can get the numbers down are the people through their behaviours and actions.

People socialising in the open air is quite safe, if you have proof of parties use that please, I think we still have better numbers than would have been projected when we started level 5 now, numbers were better and that is disappointing as our expectations changed, overall irish people need some credit for having some of the best numbers in Europe

podgeandrodge · 15-11-2020 08:18PM

As someone who's in favour of "open the pubs" in carefully managed conditions and subject to reasonable numbers per gathering, I do still find the obvious increase in 'Street gatherings ' recently to be 2 fingers to those of us trying to obey the guidelines.

The risk is probably low, but the CMO has referenced it as a risk and if large groupings are potentially spreading it at a time when there's guidelines on only meeting one household outside then they are not playing fair, and making it potentially harder for us to get back to normal.

boggerman1 · 15-11-2020 08:18PM

Jimson wrote: »

Yes it is, next two weeks will show but most students will be asymptomatic.

Expect us to be back 1200 in another two weeks

Evening Sam mcconkey!

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 08:21PM

spookwoman wrote: »

People need to stop blaming NPHET, they are not the ones spreading the virus. If restriction continue longer than expected that's because of selfish people who cannot follow basic rules to stop the spread.

Here we go again :rolleyes:
Hospital caught cases increasing, healthcare workers cases increasing, cases in older people increasing.
But it's everyone else's fault.

Why doesn't Tony start lecturing older people?

Golfman64 · 15-11-2020 08:21PM

Stark wrote: »

I'm starting to worry that the puritanism approach to the lockdown may be backfiring. When you take a look at the outbreak stats, outbreaks in private homes are by far the dominating factor and all the other outbreaks are fairly trivial in comparison. Main reason the first lockdown was successful imo was we had great weather and long days so there was plenty of opportunity for people to have their social contact needs met in relatively safe environments. Despite all the curtain twitchers losing their **** over photographs of people have picnics in parks, people were doing exactly what they were supposed to, choosing a safe environment to meet instead of high-risk indoor environments. Now with level 5 and any sort of controlled and managed fun activities forbidden, we're seeing people being pushed behind closed doors to socialise with disastrous results. They seriously need to go back to the drawing board and say "right, these things: a game of golf, a stroll in the Wicklow mountains, a bike ride, retail shopping with mask and other control measures, these are relatively safe, let's allow them and give people a distraction from sitting at home drinking".

Failing that, actually police the house gatherings instead of continuing to further punish business owners who have mostly been doing the right thing.

Probably the best post I’ve seen in this thread. Nail on the head. Logic and rational left the conversation when the government didn’t even give Level 3+ time to materialise. Even if cases remained slightly too high, additional nuanced measures could have been introduced based on where we were seeing significant spread still occurring.

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 08:23PM

Stark wrote: »

I'm starting to worry that the puritanism approach to the lockdown may be backfiring. When you take a look at the outbreak stats, outbreaks in private homes are by far the dominating factor and all the other outbreaks are fairly trivial in comparison. Main reason the first lockdown was successful imo was we had great weather and long days so there was plenty of opportunity for people to have their social contact needs met in relatively safe environments. Despite all the curtain twitchers losing their **** over photographs of people have picnics in parks, people were doing exactly what they were supposed to, choosing a safe environment to meet instead of high-risk indoor environments. Now with level 5 and any sort of controlled and managed fun activities forbidden, we're seeing people being pushed behind closed doors to socialise with disastrous results. They seriously need to go back to the drawing board and say "right, these things: a game of golf, a stroll in the Wicklow mountains, a bike ride, retail shopping with mask and other control measures, these are relatively safe, let's allow them and give people a distraction from sitting at home drinking".

Failing that, actually police the house gatherings instead of continuing to further punish business owners who have mostly been doing the right thing.

Fantastic post. Driving people back into the homes by essentially banning perfectly safe activities.

manniot2 · 15-11-2020 08:24PM

Strumms wrote: »

Some people are just annoyed that their habits and enjoyment of life is curtailed.

If you can’t bare it, the problems are not with the restrictions which have been verified to succeed, keeping people healthy and alive, if you cant bare that, YOU have and are the issue, not restrictions.

This post is beyond bizarre.

Spanish Eyes · 15-11-2020 08:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Here we go again :rolleyes:
Hospital caught cases increasing, healthcare workers cases increasing, cases in older people increasing.
But it's everyone else's fault.

Why doesn't Tony start lecturing older people?

Logic would tell you that the cases you refer to are coming from the community. Well those in the community who refuse to restrict movement and observe the restrictions. That is bloody obvious. Blame them for bringing into care and hospital settings.

The sick and elderly are sitting ducks. Bless em.

Not sure if your post is tongue in cheek or not, but that's my 2c anyway.

podgeandrodge · 15-11-2020 08:29PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

People socialising in the open air is quite safe

I'm not disagreeing with you in terms of my own opinion, but we are not experts. The experts are saying:

"Other settings outside your home or garden

It possible to meet with 1 other household in an outdoor setting which is not a home or garden, such as a park, including for exercise. No other social or family gatherings should take place."

The street gatherings clearly aren't going by the spirit of what we are being asked to do. I do think the 1 other household outside the home is OTT, but the street drinking get togethers such as in Sth William Street is also OTT. Not to mention the mess the scum left behind.

spookwoman · 15-11-2020 08:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Here we go again :rolleyes:
Hospital caught cases increasing, healthcare workers cases increasing, cases in older people increasing.
But it's everyone else's fault.

Why doesn't Tony start lecturing older people?

Do you have access to private HSE data and data belonging to NPHET? Yes there are a few outbreaks in hospitals, older people are getting it and so are other age groups. There are also plenty of outbreaks in homes and workplaces, one place here in Waterford is said to have 22 cases, pretty sure that company is not made up of OAP's.

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 08:33PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Do you have access to private HSE data and data belonging to NPHET? Yes there are a few outbreaks in hospitals, older people are getting it and so are other age groups. There are also plenty of outbreaks in homes and workplaces, one place here in Waterford is said to have 22 cases, pretty sure that company is not made up of OAP's.

You do the HSE stats on here everyday, you very well know which places are seeing increases. It's not the community.
Here's community referral data just so you can double check:

https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2020-11-13_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

Fr_Dougal · 15-11-2020 08:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The age figures suggest that there is either:
1) a serious issue in nursing homes
2) a serious issue in hospitals

The numbers simply don’t point to anything other than that. School going ages are seeing no increase.

Your statement is at odds with the figures below. Unless I’m missing something.

spookwoman wrote: »

normanoffside · 15-11-2020 08:33PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Do you have access to private HSE data and data belonging to NPHET? Y

The data should be public.

Age stats for cases are published and it's clear that infections in the over 85's per head of population is increasing while it is decreasing in other age groups.

ACitizenErased · 15-11-2020 08:34PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Your statement is at odds with the figures below. Unless I’m missing something.

A large amount of cases in hospital right now were diagnosed in hospital.

spookwoman · 15-11-2020 08:35PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Logic would tell you that the cases you refer to are coming from the community. Well those in the community who refuse to restrict movement and observe the restrictions. That is bloody obvious. Blame them for bringing into care and hospital settings.

The sick and elderly are sitting ducks. Bless em.

Not sure if your post is tongue in cheek or not, but that's my 2c anyway.

Epidemiology data pretty much says it's out in the community out

outbreak data
other**Other outbreak location includes community, extended family, hotel, public house, retail outlet, travel related and all other locations.

Non solum non ambulabit · 15-11-2020 08:36PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Asymptomatic school kids must be going into nursing homes and Hospitals and infecting the residents and staff.

And then not being tested as close contacts.

Jimson · 15-11-2020 08:37PM

Mike3549 wrote: »

Nah, you will disappear from this thread, change your username and come back with new claims

No i wont, people think the schools are immune or something.

Passing it onto the parents then as community transmission.

Like I said 1200 cases a day in two or three weeks.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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