Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

davemckenna25 · 15-11-2020 07:14PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What the punishment for people though, nphet and the government will open **** all in December anyway. Where is the incentive to stick to the restrictions strictly.[/QUOTE}

If more people adhered to the restrictions and done the mature thing then we would have less cases and more of society could open up for Christmas.
The punishment is that the people following restrictions get punished along with the gob****es who don't with less facilities open and less restrictions eased.

If people want the country opened up more for Christmas then they need to cop onto themselves now and show common sense.

political analyst · 15-11-2020 07:15PM

Jimson wrote: »

Whats the difference between a school and a house party

There's more discipline in a school.

Deeper Blue · 15-11-2020 07:15PM

Jimson wrote: »

Yes it is, next two weeks will show but most students will be asymptomatic.

Expect us to be back 1200 in another two weeks

You seriously expect 1200 cases in two weeks?

What utter nonsense

normanoffside · 15-11-2020 07:16PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Tony with a few more targeted blame comments this evening. “I’ll talk ****e about funerals and they won’t notice the spread going on in hospitals and nursing homes, let’s raise the level of guilt,shame and fear, and get the plebs fighting among each other“

Yep, the only age group where the rate of infection is rising is the over 85s.
Nursing homes again no doubt but lets swerve attention away from that by tut tutting at young people on the streets.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1328030044573339649

Strumms · 15-11-2020 07:16PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Crying in their hankies. I presume you didn't mean it in a bad way but came across a bit ****ty

Ok, so I wasn’t making fun of people as you accused, thanks for clearing that up.

davemckenna25 · 15-11-2020 07:16PM

Jimson wrote: »

Whats the difference between a school and a house party

The gobsites at the house parties don't wear masks and don't social distance... the schools have these measures in place and are hopefully being followed.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 07:17PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That seems like a very short-term and juvenile attitude tbh but it's also based on the incorrect assumption that NPHET and government don't want to ease restrictions. They both do but obviously only can if cases ease enough.

Thats real though, its what people are thinking. We are aiming for an unachievable goal in less than a 100 cases and for what to go to level 3 where we can do **** all anyway. I'm not talking personally, I'm sick of it but doing the right things but if your a 21 year old what's the incentive to not meet anyone or for them to meet with friends.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 07:18PM

Strumms wrote: »

Ok, so I wasn’t making fun of people as you accused, thanks for clearing that up.

I said I presumed, I don't know. Its up to you to clear it up.

spookwoman · 15-11-2020 07:19PM

St.Spodo · 15-11-2020 07:19PM

I've been broadly supportive of NPHET, especially when they stood their ground on a move to level 5 as cases were soaring, but I'm not sure how useful the reprimanding tone is going to be at this stage. The dog on the street knows that workplace, school and essential settings are where the lion's share of face to face activity is taking place in level 5 - there's literally very little else going on. There's nothing else the ordinary person who's been staring at the 4 walls since early October can do to contribute any more to the suppression of the virus; decisions about further measures have to be made by government or perhaps the beatings will continue until morale improves.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 07:20PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

niallo27 wrote: »

What the punishment for people though, nphet and the government will open **** all in December anyway. Where is the incentive to stick to the restrictions strictly.[/QUOTE}

If more people adhered to the restrictions and done the mature thing then we would have less cases and more of society could open up for Christmas.
The punishment is that the people following restrictions get punished along with the gob****es who don't with less facilities open and less restrictions eased.

If people want the country opened up more for Christmas then they need to cop onto themselves now and show common sense.

So they can go to level 3, if your in your 20s level 3 or 5 makes no difference so why bother. I'm not saying its right but tell me where the incentive is.

titan18 · 15-11-2020 07:20PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Thats real though, its what people are thinking. We are aiming for an unachievable goal in less than a 100 cases and for what to go to level 3 where we can do **** all anyway. I'm not talking personally, I'm sick of it but doing the right things but if your a 21 year old what's the incentive to not meet anyone or for them to meet with friends.

Pubs open, restaurants open, might be able to attend college in person etc, travel restrictions might loosen, better chance of their part time jobs coming back or jobs when they graduate etc.

Those should be plenty of incentives for them

Jimson · 15-11-2020 07:21PM

El Sueño wrote: »

You seriously expect 1200 cases in two weeks?

What utter nonsense

Wait for it so and I will quote this post.

niallo27 · 15-11-2020 07:26PM

titan18 wrote: »

Pubs open, restaurants open, might be able to attend college in person etc, travel restrictions might loosen, better chance of their part time jobs coming back or jobs when they graduate etc.

Those should be plenty of incentives for them

Do you honestly think pubs will be open, we were already told its going be level 3 no matter what we do. We are always going be way over cautious and young people know this. Do you think we will go to level 2 even at 100 cases a day.

Mike3549 · 15-11-2020 07:28PM

Jimson wrote: »

Wait for it so and I will quote this post.

Nah, you will disappear from this thread, change your username and come back with new claims

MOR316 · 15-11-2020 07:30PM

Tony Holohan is playing a very dangerous game with his words this evening.

He risks alienating a lot of the public with them and if that happens...Well, we all know what that will lead to

titan18 · 15-11-2020 07:30PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you honestly think pubs will be open, we were already told its going be level 3 no matter what we do. We are always going be way over cautious and young people know this. Do you think we will go to level 2 even at 100 cases a day.

I dont think they will for Christmas at this stage, but if people had followed the restrictions as they were over the last few months, I think they would be open. Not like they were back in February but would have had better than now.

Strumms · 15-11-2020 07:31PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I said I presumed, I don't know. Its up to you to clear it up.

You didn’t presume, you said...

“Yes after you making fun of people with mental health issues with your hanky comment.”

I don’t need to clear anything up

... it’s easy to see what I posted and what you posted.

If you ‘don’t know’ don’t comment and don’t make accusations.

15-11-2020 07:33PM

titan18 wrote: »

I dont think they will for Christmas at this stage, but if people had followed the restrictions as they were over the last few months, I think they would be open. Not like they were back in February but would have had better than now.

There is absolutely a logical fallacy to if we kept to the restrictions we wouldn't have restrictions. The only thing that changes is timing. The restrictions relax, cases go up, restrictions return and the cycle continues until vaccine.

UrbanFret · 15-11-2020 07:36PM

We moved too early. The effect of the restrictions have stagnated and we're still nearly 6 weeks out from christmas.
Me thinks tony's snookered now.

Maestro85 · 15-11-2020 07:37PM

I have been following this thread(s) since late February, a lot of useful info, good points from people and divergent opinions but with the same theme. We all follow the guidelines out of a sense of personal responsibility, for ourselves, our families and the community at large. Quite frankly we all know that the xmas will have a % of people not following the guidelines. We know that house parties, visiting relatives, general socialising is going to happen. We also have very little control over the NI situation and if like before we are at a lower level you will see a lot travelling down here.

It's going to happen, Numbers are going to spike again and we will go into a lockdown in Feb again and my prediction is until after Paddy's Day. And we will all be back here again talking about the same issues again. 2020 was a sh*te year and I don't expect that 2021 will be much better and worse in some ways as the old Irish behaviour of finger pointing and begrudgery gets worse while the economy tanks, politicians get away with murder and the virus is still around. The vaccine is the "holy grail" we have been searching for but I don't think we as a county realise the timeframe of its rollout so complacency has sunk in big time leading into christmas, and we will reap what we sow in the coming month to deterimental effect.

igCorcaigh · 15-11-2020 07:40PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

I have been following this thread(s) since late February, a lot of useful info, good points from people and divergent opinions but with the same theme. We all follow the guidelines out of a sense of personal responsibility, for ourselves, our families and the community at large. Quite frankly we all know that the xmas will have a % of people not following the guidelines. We know that house parties, visiting relatives, general socialising is going to happen. We also have very little control over the NI situation and if like before we are at a lower level you will see a lot travelling down here.

It's going to happen, Numbers are going to spike again and we will go into a lockdown in Feb again and my prediction is until after Paddy's Day. And we will all be back here again talking about the same issues again. 2020 was a sh*te year and I don't expect that 2021 will be much better and worse in some ways as the old Irish behaviour of finger pointing and begrudgery gets worse while the economy tanks, politicians get away with murder and the virus is still around. The vaccine is the "holy grail" we have been searching for but I don't think we as a county realise the timeframe of its rollout so complacency has sunk in big time leading into christmas, and we will reap what we sow in the coming month to deterimental effect.

Feck, I was hoping for a good start to the week

Strumms · 15-11-2020 07:42PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

I have been following this thread(s) since late February, a lot of useful info, good points from people and divergent opinions but with the same theme. We all follow the guidelines out of a sense of personal responsibility, for ourselves, our families and the community at large. Quite frankly we all know that the xmas will have a % of people not following the guidelines. We know that house parties, visiting relatives, general socialising is going to happen. We also have very little control over the NI situation and if like before we are at a lower level you will see a lot travelling down here.

It's going to happen, Numbers are going to spike again and we will go into a lockdown in Feb again and my prediction is until after Paddy's Day. And we will all be back here again talking about the same issues again. 2020 was a sh*te year and I don't expect that 2021 will be much better and worse in some ways as the old Irish behaviour of finger pointing and begrudgery gets worse while the economy tanks, politicians get away with murder and the virus is still around. The vaccine is the "holy grail" we have been searching for but I don't think we as a county realise the timeframe of its rollout so complacency has sunk in big time leading into christmas, and we will reap what we sow in the coming month to deterimental effect.

The only pointing of fingers should be in the faces of those who facilitated the spread of covid.

Anti mask eejits

Anti distancing/restriction eejits

Those who exhibit with regularity, any and all deliberate behaviors that facilitate the spread of covid.

They can’t see that THEY are the people fućking up our economy as well as risking health and lives.

Russman · 15-11-2020 07:42PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Tony Holohan is playing a very dangerous game with his words this evening.

He risks alienating a lot of the public with them and if that happens...Well, we all know what that will lead to

What did he say that was so bad ?

If people are too precious to hear a few home truths that’s their look out imo. You’d hope society would realise that the longer people f-ck around with the restrictions, the longer the restrictions will be in place.
Whatever about going to level 2/3 if we get to 100 cases per day, I can’t see anything opening up if we’re still at around 400 tbh.

Deeper Blue · 15-11-2020 07:43PM

Jimson wrote: »

Wait for it so and I will quote this post.

This post sums up what's wrong with the thread, for a lot of posters it's about point scoring and "I was right you were wrong" nonsense. Embarrassing

Maestro85 · 15-11-2020 07:44PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Feck, I was hoping for a good start to the week

Sorry, my weekly vent quota. This should cheer you up. "Mayo for Sam" this time around. Anything can happen.

davemckenna25 · 15-11-2020 07:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

davemckenna25 wrote: »

So they can go to level 3, if your in your 20s level 3 or 5 makes no difference so why bother. I'm not saying its right but tell me where the incentive is.

Who said going to level 3, if people had cop on more behaved I don't see any reason why it couldn't be level 2.
However due to the behaviour of some and the non compliance to the restrictions/advice then I don't see that happening as it stands. But that isn't because of the government its because of the people, not a large portion but enough to feck it up for everyone.

manniot2 · 15-11-2020 07:46PM

UrbanFret wrote: »

We moved too early. The effect of the restrictions have stagnated and we're still nearly 6 weeks out from christmas.
Me thinks tony's snookered now.

People are fed up of it, you can’t blame them, it’s one thing having a temporary lockdown but endless restrictions is too much for a lot of people to bear. Dublin has been in level 3+ since mid September ffs. NPHET have over estimated Tony’s power to persuade this time I think, more people are seeing it for the back slapping, cover up job it is, at this stage.

Russman · 15-11-2020 07:48PM

manniot2 wrote: »

People are fed up of it, you can’t blame them, it’s one thing having a temporary lockdown but endless restrictions is too much for a lot of people to bear. Dublin has been in level 3+ since mid September ffs. NPHET have over estimated Tony’s power to persuade this time I think, more people are seeing it for the back slapping, cover up job it is, at this stage.

What are they covering up then ?

s1ippy · 15-11-2020 07:48PM

Jimson wrote: »

Wait for it so and I will quote this post.

I don't think you're being alarmist.

Level 5 came in the week before the end of October, Wed 21st. We had a few days of around +1200, up and down sometimes to 1300, and one day it was about 800. The week preceeding the 21st was all 1000+ per day. We haven't had more than 1000 cases since Sunday the 25th of October. From then, cases gradually went down because people were mostly at home.

But schools were off for the week after lockdown started, from the 23rd October. The cases that have been seeded in schools since the lockdown started back are just starting to rear their heads now. Because we never got under the 270 on 9th and 10th November, there is still a widespread spread, wherever it's coming from. Even then there's an emerging pattern of lower Monday and Tuesday numbers.

The fact is, people are being told to work from home. There's hardly anything open and everyone is staying away from everyone else (except the people mobbing the streets, but that's outdoors anyway).

They've said funerals are driving spread so maybe the church need to stop giving out wafers because that seems like a stupid oversight. Gatherings afterwards seem to be a more risky practice but I can't see that being a huge driver of spread, particularly given the demographics usually in attendance at them who would be higher risk.

But even though the things that could be driving spread are massively curtailed, the figures aren't dropping anymore. They give us the figures for outbreaks that occur in hospitals and cases each day diagnosed in them so you can discount those numbers from the rest of the sources of transmission.

The variable there is a refusal to factor in is schools.

Everyone is sick to sh!t of the situation now. We're 3+ weeks in to lockdown and we're supposedly "coming out" of it in two and a bit weeks. But unless this week, cases take a dive, there's just no sense in lifting restrictions in two weeks from an infection control point of view. We might as well lift them now, whatever that would entail. And they're not going to reduce with schools open now any more than they're going to stay level when an opening up occurs.

This strategy is the worst of all worlds.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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