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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #6062
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Pfizer vaccine is a two dose ,booster shots required in between, stored at minus 70 half decent first attempt.

    Watch out for J+Js upcoming vaccine. It will be 3 steps above Pfizer

    What's 3 steps above mean?


  • #6063
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    VinLieger wrote: »
    He hasn't given them anything yet, they've signed a contract to buy a number of vaccines for 1.95 billion just like the EU and every other country on the planet are doing for several different versions of the vaccine, this is not the same as funding or helping in the research in any way.

    Just what I thought. His constant lies are infuriating at this stage. How is he allowed to lie on the white house lawn again and again??


  • #6064
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Imagine if the Dems had spent 4 years developing policy instead of trying to invalidate last election, what the score would be

    Biden and the Democrats produced a 100 page policy platform for their convention.

    Trump and the Republicans produced a one pager that said their policy was whatever Trump says.


  • #6065
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    vojiwox wrote: »
    What's 3 steps above mean?

    Most likely single dose for starters. Less possible storage and transport difficulties too.

    People have to return for a second Pfizer dose and the vaccine must be kept on storage at minus 70 c. This is a logistical nightmare. It's a good start but not good enough on a global scale.


  • #6066
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Perhaps Trump can be put in charge of NASA ?

    " Hey, can we, like, put a big spring on the rocket and go booing booing all the way to Mars ? "


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  • #6067
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,042 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Most likely single dose for starters..

    I wouldn't bet on that there's no money in the cure.


  • #6068
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    He did indeed:

    "As a result of operation Warpspeed, Pfizer announced that its China Virus vaccine is more than 90% effective. This far exceeds any and all expectations - nobody thought they would get to that level... in July my administration reached an agreement with Pfizer to provide 1.95 billion dollars to support the mass manufacturing and distribution of 100 million doses with the option to purchase 600 million doses thereafter. Our investment will make it possible for the vaccine to be provided by Pfizer free of charge."



    I can see this playing out like so... If the vaccine (that was made possible by President Trump) is effective, Biden will take all the credit. If Bidens planned nationwide shutdown goes ahead, he will blame the inevitable economic catastrophe on President Trump.

    You are confused lad, I'm not talking about the vaccine he is falsely taking credit for.

    I'm talking about his stable genius therapeutics.

    Light and Toilet Duck.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE


  • #6069
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I wouldn't bet on that there's no money in the cure.

    Again your showing that you don't know what a vaccine is and how they work.


  • #6070
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    VinLieger wrote: »
    He hasn't given them anything yet, they've signed a contract to buy a number of vaccines for 1.95 billion just like the EU and every other country on the planet are doing for several different versions of the vaccine, this is not the same as funding or helping in the research in any way.

    I like that he said we gave them 1.95 billion and they will give us the vaccine for free. It’s like years ago when the girl in Ulster bank told me if I paid 5 euro a month my transactions were free and I asked how something is free if I’ve paid 5 euro for it.


  • #6071
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,058 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I think this comment nails it.

    If both sides discuss facts, there wouldn't be this huge rift in American politics.

    Both sides want good education for their kids, good affordable healthcare, safe neighbours, good jobs. They are all basic needs.

    The difference is today more than ever, those facts are contorted to cause confusion and meanwhile 45 continues with the grift...


    https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/1326988056759418880?s=19

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • #6072
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    A bit off topic but Wendover's video about the logistics of distributing a vaccine is very well made. :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byW1GExQB84


  • #6073
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    He did indeed:

    "As a result of operation Warpspeed, Pfizer announced that its China Virus vaccine is more than 90% effective. This far exceeds any and all expectations - nobody thought they would get to that level... in July my administration reached an agreement with Pfizer to provide 1.95 billion dollars to support the mass manufacturing and distribution of 100 million doses with the option to purchase 600 million doses thereafter. Our investment will make it possible for the vaccine to be provided by Pfizer free of charge."



    I can see this playing out like so... If the vaccine (that was made possible by President Trump) is effective, Biden will take all the credit. If Bidens planned nationwide shutdown goes ahead, he will blame the inevitable economic catastrophe on President Trump.

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  • #6074
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    He did indeed:

    "As a result of operation Warpspeed, Pfizer announced that its China Virus vaccine is more than 90% effective. This far exceeds any and all expectations - nobody thought they would get to that level... in July my administration reached an agreement with Pfizer to provide 1.95 billion dollars to support the mass manufacturing and distribution of 100 million doses with the option to purchase 600 million doses thereafter. Our investment will make it possible for the vaccine to be provided by Pfizer free of charge."



    I can see this playing out like so... If the vaccine (that was made possible by President Trump) is effective, Biden will take all the credit. If Bidens planned nationwide shutdown goes ahead, he will blame the inevitable economic catastrophe on President Trump.
    ....the above is a pack of lies...pfizer were not part of that programme.
    Trump had zero to do with that vaccine.
    Do you actually read up on anything before you post it?!
    Are you not embarrassed by the fact you do this constantly? You should be
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/mike-pence-pfizer-vaccine


  • #6075
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    everlast75 wrote: »

    If both sides discuss facts, there wouldn't be this huge rift in American politics.

    Both sides want good education for their kids, good affordable healthcare, safe neighbours, good jobs. They are all basic needs.

    This is true of all countries.

    It’s remarkable how poor humans are at communication and engagement on topics that they disagree on. I’m very aware of how frustrating it can be trying to reason with people who to be honest , I find it hard to respect their views on certain things. Sometimes I give up as they appear to be either not intelligent enough to discuss the topic or they aren’t interested in discussing it.

    I’ve tried to use boards sometimes as an interesting place to understand human self delusion, self interest and look at why you get such divides. But in many instances you can identify where either side refuses to accept their own role in a problem. It’s usually down to neglect on some capacity.

    Brexit , Trump - huge portions of population neglected by people doing ok with status quo “shut up and put up, the country is doing well, just do what we say and don’t be so stupid”. No efforts on the part of anti brexit/trump to address the concerns of those disillusioned.

    FF, FG , HSE - corrupt and never properly fixed. These massive institutions are facilitated by the electorate that doesn’t care enough to make any meaningful change. And yet people on here whinging about them as if politicians and change in this country isn’t driven by the people voting for our governments.

    Absolutely zero capacity for self reflection from people and no concept of personal responsibility. It’s always somebody else’s fault for things going wrong. If everybody focused on sweeping their proverbial side of the road and objectively looked at their role (inaction/apathy plays a role) in a problem in their life or society, the world would be a far better place.


  • #6076
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Most likely single dose for starters. Less possible storage and transport difficulties too.

    People have to return for a second Pfizer dose and the vaccine must be kept on storage at minus 70 c. This is a logistical nightmare. It's a good start but not good enough on a global scale.

    This is a case of first across the line being the most important criteria due to time criticality


  • #6077
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,421 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    gmisk wrote: »
    ....the above is a pack of lies...pfizer were not part of that programme.
    Trump had zero to do with that vaccine.
    Do you actually read up on anything before you post it?!
    Are you not embarrassed by the fact you do this constantly? You should be
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/mike-pence-pfizer-vaccine

    There's no point, he'll disappear again for a few days, and post another misleading donald video out of nowhere.

    I still haven't found out how much he has donated to the trump legal fund.


  • #6078
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    He did indeed:

    "As a result of operation Warpspeed, Pfizer announced that its China Virus vaccine is more than 90% effective. This far exceeds any and all expectations - nobody thought they would get to that level... in July my administration reached an agreement with Pfizer to provide 1.95 billion dollars to support the mass manufacturing and distribution of 100 million doses with the option to purchase 600 million doses thereafter. Our investment will make it possible for the vaccine to be provided by Pfizer free of charge."



    I can see this playing out like so... If the vaccine (that was made possible by President Trump) is effective, Biden will take all the credit. If Bidens planned nationwide shutdown goes ahead, he will blame the inevitable economic catastrophe on President Trump.

    It’s interesting the influence Trump has had in encouraging lying. You only have to google the post and you will see that it’s completely false to say the US invested anything in developing a vaccine but yet Trump claimed credit for it.
    Kayleigh waves lots of pages on Fox News showing proof of how her boss was robbed but amazingly none of Trumps lawyers can produce anything in court in their numerous cases.


  • #6079
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,950 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Most likely single dose for starters. Less possible storage and transport difficulties too.

    People have to return for a second Pfizer dose and the vaccine must be kept on storage at minus 70 c. This is a logistical nightmare. It's a good start but not good enough on a global scale.


    J+J have admitted that the one shot may not work and that a 2nd could be required down the line.

    Also what you forgot to mention is the mRna vaccines are far easier to produce as they dont need to be cultivated. Since viral vector and protein based both need to be grown the scale and timeframe is far more complex and hardly any less a logistical issue than the storage of the Pfizer vaccine which can be created at a large scale far easier and faster.

    Another thing is that yes Pfizers requires a -70 storage but Modernas mRna vaccine which will be delivering results soon only requires -4 so as usual you are being incredibly selective with your facts.


  • #6080
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    It’s interesting the influence Trump has had in encouraging lying. You only have to google the post and you will see that it’s completely false to say the US invested anything in developing a vaccine but yet Trump claimed credit for it.
    Kayleigh waves lots of pages on Fox News showing proof of how her boss was robbed but amazingly none of Trumps lawyers can produce anything in court in their numerous cases.


    Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

    "Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."


  • #6081
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

    "Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."
    No.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-funded-by-trump/

    "In short, the government intended to buy doses of a vaccine from Pfizer once an effective vaccine was made available, but it did not fund the research and development of Pfizer’s vaccine".


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  • #6082
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

    "Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

    It's interesting that you avoided a fact check, they partnered with Germany. The 1.95 billion is in reference to the US who signed a deal to purchase a hundred million doses if it works. That was in July, the money only arrives if it work. They did not participate in warp speed.

    https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-76d1580f82b1586b207990396c1e3b5f

    Have you accepted he's lost yet btw?


  • #6083
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

    "Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

    Have you heard of google?


  • #6084
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

    "Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

    No, give it up, your man lost, accept it.


  • #6085
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    It’s interesting the influence Trump has had in encouraging lying. You only have to google the post and you will see that it’s completely false to say the US invested anything in developing a vaccine but yet Trump claimed credit for it.
    Kayleigh waves lots of pages on Fox News showing proof of how her boss was robbed but amazingly none of Trumps lawyers can produce anything in court in their numerous cases.

    Ah yeah, the same Kayleigh that handed an interviewer a huge book of blank pages supposedly detailing Trumps accomplishments and had a photographer lined up to take a picture and insta tweet.

    She's an absolute narcissistic devious moron.


  • #6086
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Democrats have never claimed the 2016 election was rigged, your confusing this with the claims it was "interfered with" specifically via russian money and propaganda on social media, they both alter the election but in very different ways.

    Rigged implies institutional corruption to change peoples votes between the polling station and the count centre or just adjust the results themselves.

    rigged/interfered with. it all amounts to the same - trying to delegitimize him. trump was never accepted as the president by the dems for the past 4 years.


  • #6087
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Graham wrote: »
    No, they're really not.

    One is outside sources attempting to influence the public.

    The other is corrupt insiders fiddling the results.

    Why would anyone pretend they are the same?

    so its alright for internal (to the US) sources to attempt to influence the public?


  • #6088
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    No they are not.

    One is claiming, with plenty of evidence, that malicious actors played a part in the outcome of the 2016 election by using social media etc.
    The other is claiming, without any evidence, that the core of American democracy, the voting system, is corrupt and able to be manipulated for political gain.

    If you can’t see the difference, then perhaps discussions on politics are not for you?

    how much influence do you think social media has?


  • #6089
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    rigged/interfered with. it all amounts to the same - trying to delegitimize him. trump was never accepted as the president by the dems for the past 4 years.

    They're not the same as was previously pointed out. Just because you don't understand that doesn't make it anything less than a valid difference


  • #6090
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    rigged/interfered with. it all amounts to the same - trying to delegitimize him. trump was never accepted as the president by the dems for the past 4 years.

    Election interference by Russia is an established fact so they don't amount to the same thing.


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  • #6091
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    everlast75 wrote: »
    This is, no doubt, a guy some on here listen to as the truth teller - Lou Dobbs.

    Notwithstanding the fact that he's full of BS, he is fuming that the GOP aren't doing enough to help trump.

    Nunes is a weasel. His response is... bizarre.

    It is great watching them turn on each other

    https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1327383182661054465?s=19

    whats parlour and rumble?


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