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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #5972
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Sending emails registering your dislike of a companys business practice is undemocratic?

    How is this not clicking with people? This is the methodology of the liberal twitter mob injecting itself directly into the political and legal process. If you were suing someone would you like them using social media to drive a wedge between you and your lawyer? Or is it ok here because "Ha ha, Trump's a spa and so are all his supporters so we can do what we want"?


  • #5973
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,058 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    sabat wrote: »
    How is this not clicking with people? This is the methodology of the liberal twitter mob injecting itself directly into the political and legal process. If you were suing someone would you like them using social media to drive a wedge between you and your lawyer? Or is it ok here because "Ha ha, Trump's a spa and so are all his supporters so we can do what we want"?

    It's a form of protesting.

    Rather than getting on a bus and picketing a legal firm, people are doing it online.

    At least they won't get tear gassed if Trump happens to be driving by and wants a photo op.

    But sure. Trump's megarich firms are launching vexatious law suits which are tantamount to an abuse of process and represent one of the most fundamental attacks on the american system of democracy, but "oh no's, look at the tweets".

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #5974
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Looks like Trump lost 7 court cases in Pennsylvania alone today. Absolute embarrassment.


  • #5975
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Looks like Trump lost 7 court cases in Pennsylvania alone today. Absolute embarrassment.

    Just a sad continuation of the last four years really.


  • #5976
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    briany wrote: »
    Eh, Trump's a blowhard who laughably over-exaggerates all that which could possibly make him look good. I don't think we should be taking Trump's definition of anything on board. Trump did not win 2016 by a landslide at all. Losing the popular vote and winning by tight margins in some states does not sound like a landslide. Looked good enough in terms of electoral college votes, which is the main thing, but if 2016 taught anything it was drill down into the numbers.

    It was a good and welcome win for Biden, but landslide has connotations that the election represented a strong repudiation of Trump, even though he increased his vote number by 10 million. That base doesn't look to be going anywhere, so the narrative of 'Joe Biden beat Trump by a landslide and Trump was never heard from again' isn't really a goer. Vigilance will be needed to maintain a lead over Trump in 4 years or whoever is running on the Trumpist platform by then.

    Yeah, we know it's not a landslide. That's the point.


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  • #5977
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sabat wrote: »
    How is this not clicking with people? This is the methodology of the liberal twitter mob injecting itself directly into the political and legal process. If you were suing someone would you like them using social media to drive a wedge between you and your lawyer? Or is it ok here because "Ha ha, Trump's a spa and so are all his supporters so we can do what we want"?

    Do you actually think that's why they stopped representing him, or was it more likely that like a few of trumps other lawyers they would
    1. Be disbarred.
    OR
    2. Weren't going to get paid.
    OR.
    3.1&2.

    Lawyers represent people who are disliked, hated even on a daily basis world wide and get crap from people for doing so. I don't agree with them getting such crap but they follow through with representing their clients despite any crap they received because
    1. They won't lose their licence to practice by doing so. Unless of course they are involved in illegal activities themselves as part of their involvement in the case..
    2. They will be paid. Unless of course they are doing no win no fee and actually lose.


  • #5978
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    Did he except questions after?


  • #5979
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,058 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    vojiwox wrote: »
    Did he except questions after?

    Did he win the election?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #5980
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    vojiwox wrote: »
    Did he except questions after?
    Na the spineless sh1te hid



    https://www.btselem.org/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes


  • #5981
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    lemonTrees wrote:
    They are as much a part of the problem as the Trump's of this world. Only interested in dividing not uniting
    Well said.
    PropJoe10 wrote:
    Biden 306-232 Trump. Not even a close race. Flipping 5 states is a great achievement for Biden and his campaign. Plus a 5.5 million surplus in the popular vote. Regardless of what Trump and his mindless sycophants are saying, this is a solid and clear victory.
    How many people in the history of United States presidential elections have won by less than that?


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  • #5982
    Aleece2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Aleece2020


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Lawyers represent people who are disliked, hated even on a daily basis world wide and get crap from people for doing so. I don't agree with them getting such crap but they follow through with representing their clients despite any crap they received because
    1. They won't lose their licence to practice by doing so.
    2. They will be paid. Unless of course they are doing no win no fee and actually lose.

    The whole situation has become a total mess. Trump has been getting on twitter and he is losing the plot on an almost daily basis. He's continually posting all CAPS rants about the election being stolen and claiming that millions of votes have been switched to Biden without any form of evidence accompanying it.

    Can you imagine the complete and utter nightmare it'd be for a lawyer trying to work with him when he constantly goes off the rails like this? If he just put down his phone, stepped away from the internet and gathered up this "tremendous proof" that he claims that he has, and gave it to his lawyers he would not be losing cases left and right.

    He would be a lot better off if he stopped fueling the narrative of "this election was stolen" on Twitter and trying to convince his supporters and instead, focused on convincing the courts.


  • #5983
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Do you actually think that's why they stopped representing him, or was it more likely that like a few of trumps other lawyers they would
    1. Be disbarred.
    OR
    2. Weren't going to get paid.
    OR.
    3.1&2.

    Lawyers represent people who are disliked, hated even on a daily basis world wide and get crap from people for doing so. I don't agree with them getting such crap but they follow through with representing their clients despite any crap they received because
    1. They won't lose their licence to practice by doing so.
    2. They will be paid. Unless of course they are doing no win no fee and actually lose.

    they can be disbarred for perjury, hence this exact line of questioning from the judge that lead to the bizarre response. basically, are you willing to put your licence on the line (all the judge wanted was a straight answer):

    “I am asking you as a member of the bar of this court, are people representing the Donald J. Trump for president (campaign) … in that room?” U.S. District Judge Paul S. Diamond asked.

    “There’s a nonzero number of people in the room,” campaign lawyer Jerome Marcus replied.

    so in this case, the lawyer was alleging there was no one in the room (representing trump), whereas in fact there was a non-zero number. apparently a judge asking a question in the above manner is a big deal, and no lawyer would give a false answer.


  • #5984
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    The whole situation has become a total mess. Trump has been getting on twitter and he is losing the plot on an almost daily basis. He's continually posting all CAPS rants about the election being stolen and claiming that millions of votes have been switched to Biden without any form of evidence accompanying it.

    Can you imagine the complete and utter nightmare it'd be for a lawyer trying to work with him when he constantly goes off the rails like this? If he just put down his phone, stepped away from the internet and gathered up this "tremendous proof" that he claims that he has, and gave it to his lawyers he would not be losing cases left and right.

    He would be a lot better off if he stopped fueling the narrative of "this election was stolen" on Twitter and trying to convince his supporters and instead, focused on convincing the courts.

    It's a bit hard to have evidence of this happening when your own agency charged with confirming the security of the election says it hasn't happened.

    Easier to fire the heads of those agency sections for saying so and have a rant on Twitter in an attempt to continue to grift those that support you into paying your legal bills and your upcoming loan repayments.


  • #5985
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well said.


    How many people in the history of United States presidential elections have won by less than that?

    Bush v Gore, Bush v Kerry, Carter v Ford, Nixon v Kennedy. They were all closer off the top of my head.


  • #5986
    Aleece2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Aleece2020


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    It's a bit hard to have evidence of this happening when your own agency charged with confirming the security of the election says it hasn't happened.

    Easier to fire the heads of those agency sections for saying so and have a rant on Twitter in an attempt to continue to grift those that support you into paying your legal bills and your upcoming loan repayments.

    Someone I know over there, who admittedly voted for Trump, has gotten multiple emails from their campaign asking for money. In the fine print, over half of the money is going to pay for his campaign debt and will not be used in any further court cases etc.

    Those emails look so spammy and horrendous too. They say things like "donate $5 and increase your impact by 1000%" and "1000% offer: active." They're like bloody pop-up advertisements.


  • #5987
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    It's a bit hard to have evidence of this happening when your own agency charged with confirming the security of the election says it hasn't happened.

    Even his own investigation setup whilst he was president and not at risk of losing another election for nearly 4 more years and tasked with finding evidence of the 2 million fake votes for Hillary Clinton that meant he lost despite winning in 2016 couldn't find any evidence of it having happened. They didn't have the deadline of an impending inauguration to work to either, could take all the time they wanted... Yet nothing was found.

    Every vote he is part of, if it's to become a candidate, a president, to win a TV award... Anything at all... Before the voting even happens he'll claim the system is rigged against him and then continue claiming so after he loses. It was such a habit already by 2016 though that he couldn't help claiming he'd been cheated even when he'd won.


  • #5988
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,858 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Looks like Trump lost 7 court cases in Pennsylvania alone today. Absolute embarrassment.

    Tired of all this winning


  • #5989
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Narcisstic idiot. Textbook.

    But anyway it is over now.


  • #5990
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    robinph wrote: »
    Even his own investigation setup whilst he was president and not at risk of losing another election for nearly 4 more years and tasked with finding evidence of the 2 million fake votes for Hillary Clinton that meant he lost despite winning in 2016 couldn't find any evidence of it having happened. They didn't have the deadline of an impending inauguration to work to either, could take all the time they wanted... Yet nothing was found.

    Every vote he is part of, if it's to become a candidate, a president, to win a TV award... Anything at all... Before the voting even happens he'll claim the system is rigged against him and then continue claiming so after he loses. It was such a habit already by 2016 though that he couldn't help claiming he'd been cheated even when he'd won.

    was it not the dems that alleged that for 4 years, and were furiously looking for evidence re russia?

    as for this time round...i think its pretty apparent that there was no wide spread fraud against him.

    i dont know trump's personal affairs, and the suggestions that the presidency kept the wolves at bay.
    i do think, that if that were the case, he would have had graciously accepted defeat and hope that biden would honour the unwritten rule not to go after past presidents.

    based on that, its his ego that is preventing him from conceding. or else he feels it in his bones he was ripped off, which is prob a symptom of ego as well.

    i'm a trump supporter anyway.


  • #5991
    Beholders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭Beholders


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    Someone I know over there, who admittedly voted for Trump, has gotten multiple emails from their campaign asking for money. In the fine print, over half of the money is going to pay for his campaign debt and will not be used in any further court cases etc.

    Those emails look so spammy and horrendous too. They say things like "donate $5 and increase your impact by 1000%" and "1000% offer: active." They're like bloody pop-up advertisements.


    Yes this, I took a look at the Trump page, and it really is a webpage that is in your face, infact it is quite difficult to actually see anything without making a donation, I had to pretend I was making a donation so as I could see the rest of the website, but it certainly seemed offer the top. Very much a closed shop, donate or we don't want to know you. And that to me is very aggressive advertisement and also an old boy club manipulation. But in fairness I expected nothing less


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  • #5992
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    was it not the dems that alleged that for 4 years, and were furiously looking for evidence re russia?

    as for this time round...i think its pretty apparent that there was no wide spread fraud against him.

    i dont know trump's personal affairs, and the suggestions that the presidency kept the wolves at bay.
    i do think, that if that were the case, he would have had graciously accepted defeat and hope that biden would honour the unwritten rule not to go after past presidents.

    based on that, its his ego that is preventing him from conceding. or else he feels it in his bones he was ripped off, which is prob a symptom of ego as well.

    i'm a trump supporter anyway.

    You can support him as he spends the rest of his life in court. Just nine lawsuits waiting for him in New York, ready to kick in once he becomes Mr Trump. Think of it as your Dear Leader fighting for the ordinary man and you'll be grand.


  • #5993
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    Someone I know over there, who admittedly voted for Trump, has gotten multiple emails from their campaign asking for money. In the fine print, over half of the money is going to pay for his campaign debt and will not be used in any further court cases etc.

    Those emails look so spammy and horrendous too. They say things like "donate $5 and increase your impact by 1000%" and "1000% offer: active." They're like bloody pop-up advertisements.

    is that a stick to beat trump with? here's what happens when you donate to biden:

    allocation of donations:
    $142,000/$60,000 the DNC, $2,800/$5,000 to the Biden for President Recount Account, and any additional funds to the DNC, subject to applicable contribution limits.

    (not sure what that means exactly)

    By providing your phone number you consent to receive recurring and/or automated text messages and calls from Biden for President and the DNC. Msg. and data rates may apply.

    so that there is charging for spam messages. is there is difference?


  • #5994
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    In the past few hours Kayleigh McEnneny stated that Trump will actually attend the 2021 inauguration. :eek:



    His own inauguration. Not sure how that's going to work lol. :rolleyes:


  • #5995
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Beholders wrote: »
    Yes this, I took a look at the Trump page, and it really is a webpage that is in your face, infact it is quite difficult to actually see anything without making a donation, I had to pretend I was making a donation so as I could see the rest of the website, but it certainly seemed offer the top. Very much a closed shop, donate or we don't want to know you. And that to me is very aggressive advertisement and also an old boy club manipulation. But in fairness I expected nothing less

    https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/#

    go there. whats the 1st pop up?


  • #5996
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mun1 wrote: »
    306-232 landslide ! Embarrassment for trump and his cult. There’s a rock waiting for each of you to slide back under.
    LETS GO JOE !

    Imagine if the Dems had spent 4 years developing policy instead of trying to invalidate last election, what the score would be


  • #5997
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    Someone I know over there, who admittedly voted for Trump, has gotten multiple emails from their campaign asking for money. In the fine print, over half of the money is going to pay for his campaign debt and will not be used in any further court cases etc.

    Those emails look so spammy and horrendous too. They say things like "donate $5 and increase your impact by 1000%" and "1000% offer: active." They're like bloody pop-up advertisements.

    Yeah have been talking to friends over there that also work in cyber security and they are also seeing scammer mails with the text cut and pasted and just a malicious link for the payment.
    So far however they haven't seen either the scammer or the legitimate email get past the spam control on the gateways that they use.


  • #5998
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,949 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    You can support him as he spends the rest of his life in court. Just nine lawsuits waiting for him in New York, ready to kick in once he becomes Mr Trump. Think of it as your Dear Leader fighting for the ordinary man and you'll be grand.

    thats why i suggested that that is not the reason he wont concede. with those looming investigations, do you not think he would try to cozy up with biden?

    if that were the reason he would concede. its his ego


  • #5999
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    robinph wrote: »
    Even his own investigation setup whilst he was president and not at risk of losing another election for nearly 4 more years and tasked with finding evidence of the 2 million fake votes for Hillary Clinton that meant he lost despite winning in 2016 couldn't find any evidence of it having happened. They didn't have the deadline of an impending inauguration to work to either, could take all the time they wanted... Yet nothing was found.

    Every vote he is part of, if it's to become a candidate, a president, to win a TV award... Anything at all... Before the voting even happens he'll claim the system is rigged against him and then continue claiming so after he loses. It was such a habit already by 2016 though that he couldn't help claiming he'd been cheated even when he'd won.

    Seem to remember him having a tantrum about that back in 2018 when he disbanded the commission alright.


  • #6000
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    thats why i suggested that that is not the reason he wont concede. with those looming investigations, do you not think he would try to cozy up with biden?

    if that were the reason he would concede. its his ego

    Biden has stated categorically that he will not grant Trump any pardons. He's fighting for his ego but he's also fighting to stay out of court for another four years. But it doesn't matter what he thinks now. He's yesterday's man and he's toast.


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  • #6001
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Bloody democrats, always be cheating..



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