Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

MelbourneMan · 13-11-2020 09:31PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

My only problem is the people who seemingly take it upon themselves to act as some sort of moral police. There was some poster in the travel thread saying he'll 'remember' anyone who goes abroad. That's the kind of stuff that gets my goat up

Hello.

If I may interject here to observe, rather than address a particular question, that there does seem to be a minority who take freedom of action a little too far, without really considering the bigger picture of social responsibility, and those who have an appreciation that on certain matters, the most sensible course of action is to follow expert advice rather than make judgements they are ill equipped to make.

One can infer with confidence, from the evolution of the daily case profile in Ireland, that the latter, are, fortunately, in the majority.

iamwhoiam · 13-11-2020 09:31PM

3xh wrote: »

Do you only exercise?

You do realise the 5km reference in S.I. 448 is for exercise ONLY? That’s the restriction. Exercise within 5km of home.

Yes we were discussing excercise at the time I posted that .

Spanish Eyes · 13-11-2020 09:37PM

I say well done to most of us. The numbers are receding fast and it is all looking positive. There will always be the outliers of course but no one can help that really.

Just look at NI. That place is lawless and always will be. Grand if they keep it up there and just share it with East Donegal. I say this because no one seems to be bothered that much about it up that neck of the woods on either side of the Border, it is about personal responsibility for the sake of your community, or so I thought. Just hope they stay up there.

FintanMcluskey · 13-11-2020 09:45PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I say well done to most of us. The numbers are receding fast and it is all looking positive. There will always be the outliers of course but no one can help that really.

Just look at NI. That place is lawless and always will be. Grand if they keep it up there and just share it with East Donegal. I say this because no one seems to be bothered that much about it up that neck of the woods on either side of the Border, it is about personal responsibility for the sake of your community, or so I thought. Just hope they stay up there.

Well done to all of us.

Are we getting a patronising cup or medals for everyone?

Spanish Eyes · 13-11-2020 09:53PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well done to all of us.

Are we getting a patronising cup or medals for everyone?

Ah come on, show a little positivity FGS.

Compared with NI and East Donegal, we are not lawless in anyway like that cohort up there are anyway to any great degree.

The negativity around here is something to behold when there is good news and it is unreal.

Get a life love. Restrictions permitting of course

brisan · 13-11-2020 09:56PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello.

If I may interject here to observe, rather than address a particular question, that there does seem to be a minority who take freedom of action a little too far, without really considering the bigger picture of social responsibility, and those who have an appreciation that on certain matters, the most sensible course of action is to follow expert advice rather than make judgements they are ill equipped to make.

One can infer with confidence, from the evolution of the daily case profile in Ireland, that the latter, are, fortunately, in the majority.

Hello
I am not convinced the experts you refer to are experts ,therefore I will make my own decisions on the evidence I see before me
I obeyed all the restrictions first time around ,this time they are taking the piss
Discount the numbers in nursing homes ,Healthcare workers and those who get the virus in hospital and give us the real figures
If they protected those groups properly we could get back to normal

Spanish Eyes · 13-11-2020 09:57PM

nofools wrote: »

Are you not just the other side of that coin, equally hysterical.

The late late will be on soon for all you masochists, will give you something to rant and rave about for at least a day.

I haven't watched the LLS for many years and will not do so again. Manna for the masses and it's usually rubbish anyway. A book, a celebrity, someone dying, a band. One for everyone in the silly sycophantic audience. But each to their own.

normanoffside · 13-11-2020 10:07PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello.

bounccat · 13-11-2020 10:09PM

road_high wrote: »

Irish media is garbage. The only time I see RTE news is at my parents house. Truly Dreadful rubbish

This kind of rubbish drives me mad. Why do they really let you stay up after 9 to see the news, you must be getting big now.

MOH · 13-11-2020 10:16PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello.

If I may interject here to observe, rather than address a particular question, that there does seem to be a minority who take freedom of action a little too far, without really considering the bigger picture of social responsibility, and those who have an appreciation that on certain matters, the most sensible course of action is to follow expert advice rather than make judgements they are ill equipped to make.

One can infer with confidence, from the evolution of the daily case profile in Ireland, that the latter, are, fortunately, in the majority.

One can infer many things. Often wrongly.

For example, one could infer from the chaotic response and repeatedly inaccurate, or deliberately misleading, statements from those providing the "expert advice" that they actually haven't got a clue what to do and are making it up as they go along.

An inference that is also supported by the evolution of the daily case profile in Ireland as a whole over the last 8 months.

FintanMcluskey · 13-11-2020 10:16PM

bounccat wrote: »

This kind of rubbish drives me mad. Why do they really let you stay up after 9 to see the news, you must be getting big now.

Jeasus, 2 posts in 5 years.

Road high must of got to ya

JRant · 13-11-2020 10:31PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello.

If I may interject here to observe, rather than address a particular question, that there does seem to be a minority who take freedom of action a little too far, without really considering the bigger picture of social responsibility, and those who have an appreciation that on certain matters, the most sensible course of action is to follow expert advice rather than make judgements they are ill equipped to make.

One can infer with confidence, from the evolution of the daily case profile in Ireland, that the latter, are, fortunately, in the majority.

G'Day.

As a matter of interest, does the social responsibility only work one way?

I ask because we are being asked to forgo massive personal liberties at the ask of NPHET. Now, NPHET have very clearly stated that they don't care one iota about their recommendations effect on businesses. Doesn't sound like they are taking very little social responsibility into account when giving their advice.

Now, as for the foremost experts you clearly hold in high esteem, what exactly elevates them above all other experts globally. In fact, as can be seen by the rising cases of COVID spreading in hospitals and nursing homes, NPHET have failed spectacularly in yet another area under their control.

end of the road · 13-11-2020 10:37PM

brisan wrote: »

Hello
I am not convinced the experts you refer to are experts ,therefore I will make my own decisions on the evidence I see before me
I obeyed all the restrictions first time around ,this time they are taking the piss
Discount the numbers in nursing homes ,Healthcare workers and those who get the virus in hospital and give us the real figures
If they protected those groups properly we could get back to normal

the figures are the figures, discounting certain groups of figures to try and suit an agenda equals inaccurate figures and not the real figures.
protecting certain groups won't allow us to get back to normal, protection only works with suppression and management and control of the virus for which restrictions are needed.

manniot2 · 13-11-2020 10:38PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello.

If I may interject here to observe, rather than address a particular question, that there does seem to be a minority who take freedom of action a little too far, without really considering the bigger picture of social responsibility, and those who have an appreciation that on certain matters, the most sensible course of action is to follow expert advice rather than make judgements they are ill equipped to make.

One can infer with confidence, from the evolution of the daily case profile in Ireland, that the latter, are, fortunately, in the majority.

What utter waffle

end of the road · 13-11-2020 10:42PM

JRant wrote: »

G'Day.

As a matter of interest, does the social responsibility only work one way?

I ask because we are being asked to forgo massive personal liberties at the ask of NPHET. Now, NPHET have very clearly stated that they don't care one iota about their recommendations effect on businesses. Doesn't sound like they are taking very little social responsibility into account when giving their advice.

Now, as for the foremost experts you clearly hold in high esteem, what exactly elevates them above all other experts globally. In fact, as can be seen by the rising cases of COVID spreading in hospitals and nursing homes, NPHET have failed spectacularly in yet another area under their control.

to be fair businesses aren't within their remit so it's not their job to take into account businesses when giving their advice.
that is for other organisations to thrash out with the government and i have no doubt that they do that.

JRant · 13-11-2020 10:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

the figures are the figures, discounting certain groups of figures to try and suit an agenda equals inaccurate figures and not the real figures.
protecting certain groups won't allow us to get back to normal, protection only works with suppression and management and control of the virus for which restrictions are needed.

Figures alone tell us nothing. Case numbers without context tells us nothing. There's an increase in case numbers today. Is it due to the HSE being unable to manage hospitals and nursing homes? Possibly, but as per usual, the data is not being presented to the people. Only soundbites from Tony and Co.

almostover · 13-11-2020 10:44PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

I'm convinced at this point that if NPHET started telling people that the best way to fight covid was to stick your bollocks in a paper shredder that half the country would.

When the lockdown was hinted back in October, those in favour of it amongst the general public said 'if we lock down now we can save Christmas' now Christmas is right around the corner and it seems to me that those people are now saying 'ah sure there's next Christmas'

It's actually getting ****ing tragic now people are like battered housewives at this point coming back for more and more.

I really dont see what an alternative course of action is to deal with this pandemic. Dont think ignoring expert advice to limit our social contacts would work well. Italy back in the sh*tter again, UK in a bad place also. NPHET arent some sort of sadistic puppemaster pulling the strings. I have a feeling that when all this is behind us Ireland will look back and in hindsight say that our rolling lockdown approach was the best course of action.

patnor1011 · 13-11-2020 10:47PM

end of the road wrote: »

the figures are the figures, discounting certain groups of figures to try and suit an agenda equals inaccurate figures and not the real figures.
protecting certain groups won't allow us to get back to normal, protection only works with suppression and management and control of the virus for which restrictions are needed.

Ah, humans and their overconfidence still thinking they can suppress, control and manage the virus.

JRant · 13-11-2020 10:50PM

almostover wrote: »

I really dont see what an alternative course of action is to deal with this pandemic. Dont think ignoring expert advice to limit our social contacts would work well. Italy back in the sh*tter again, UK in a bad place also. NPHET arent some sort of sadistic puppemaster pulling the strings. I have a feeling that when all this is behind us Ireland will look back and in hindsight say that our rolling lockdown approach was the best course of action.

I sincerely hope not. If the masterminds can only come up with rolling lockdowns then we are truly screwed.

end of the road · 13-11-2020 10:52PM

JRant wrote: »

Figures alone tell us nothing. Case numbers without context tells us nothing. There's an increase in case numbers today. Is it due to the HSE being unable to manage hospitals and nursing homes? Possibly, but as per usual, the data is not being presented to the people. Only soundbites from Tony and Co.

the main bullet points are what most are interested in i would expect, and that is probably why there isn't lots of data given out via the media on a daily basis.
i expect though it is available if you know where to look.

almostover wrote: »

I really dont see what an alternative course of action is to deal with this pandemic. Dont think ignoring expert advice to limit our social contacts would work well. Italy back in the sh*tter again, UK in a bad place also. NPHET arent some sort of sadistic puppemaster pulling the strings. I have a feeling that when all this is behind us Ireland will look back and in hindsight say that our rolling lockdown approach was the best course of action.

we are currently doing exactly that, keeping the virus at a suppressed level, therefore controlling and managing it.
again, and i can't believe i am still having to point this out, it doesn't mean the virus goes away, it simply means we are limiting the spread via our actions, as in the majority following what we are being asked to follow.

Spanish Eyes · 13-11-2020 10:53PM

RTE realise that a younger or tech savvy or more mature and older audience have many more options now.

Just try and listen to RTE radio/TV anytime soon and you will see who it is largely aimed at. I never watch RTE current affairs. Does it influence anyone at all? Just thinking about the Covid and in particular the last two weeks for example?

I'm only having a rant because I pay the TV license. Sick of it, sorry.

almostover · 13-11-2020 10:55PM

Destiny Most Pancake wrote: »

yeah, somehow I think the people who've lost jobs/businesses wont look back so kindly on the 2nd lockdown tbh.

Their business would have gone under either way. If we had not increased restrictions we would have had more COVID and deaths. Consumer confidence would have taken a big hit either way. There wouldn't be too many willing to go for a meal or a feed of pints if their chances of catching a dangerous illness was high.

I've posted a few times on boards asking what alternative COVId management path this country could take and have yet to be presented with anything coherent or viable. Just soundbites and smart comments. COVID is a major balls up and our options to deal with it are severely limited. We would all be better off if people took it on the chin, did the simple things well and stopped wasting energy criticising the national coping with COVID strategy when they cant formulate any viable alternative.

FintanMcluskey · 13-11-2020 11:06PM

almostover wrote: »

Their business would have gone under either way. If we had not increased restrictions we would have had more COVID and deaths. Consumer confidence would have taken a big hit either way. There wouldn't be too many willing to go for a meal or a feed of pints if their chances of catching a dangerous illness was high.

No they wouldn’t.

Anyone who previously had a life would continue to live it and support business like before

Those who hadn’t a life would continue not to have one

13-11-2020 11:08PM

almostover wrote: »

Their business would have gone under either way. If we had not increased restrictions we would have had more COVID and deaths. Consumer confidence would have taken a big hit either way. There wouldn't be too many willing to go for a meal or a feed of pints if their chances of catching a dangerous illness was high.

I've posted a few times on boards asking what alternative COVId management path this country could take and have yet to be presented with anything coherent or viable. Just soundbites and smart comments. COVID is a major balls up and our options to deal with it are severely limited. We would all be better off if people took it on the chin, did the simple things well and stopped wasting energy criticising the national coping with COVID strategy when they cant formulate any viable alternative.

That’s rubbish.
There are takeaway pints and street parties on the middle of winter. Nobody is afraid of catching Covid. Pubs and restaurants would be packed if allowed to open. Demand would be huge.

What could we have done differently? Protect the nursing homes for a start. Something we’ve failed to do all year and has caused the majority of deaths. Put procedures in place to prevent spread in hospitals? Increase ICU capacity?

Most importantly though, we should have accepted a higher death toll in order to look after the overall greater good of the country and future generations.

Instead we have chosen to saddle future generations with billions of debt. All because we were a bit afraid of a mild disease.

13-11-2020 11:11PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No they wouldn’t.

Anyone who previously had a life would continue to live it and support business like before

Those who hadn’t a life would continue not to have one

Hard to understand how people actually believe that nonsense.

Pubs and restaurants would be mental busy if open.

Sure the pubs in Dublin are busy with take away pints.

FrStone · 13-11-2020 11:17PM

almostover wrote: »

Their business would have gone under either way. If we had not increased restrictions we would have had more COVID and deaths. Consumer confidence would have taken a big hit either way. There wouldn't be too many willing to go for a meal or a feed of pints if their chances of catching a dangerous illness was high.

Ah can we please have a bit of logic?

If there is no demand for pubs, open them up. Very few will go, and the problem will disappear. The reason they are shut is that there is a huge demand for them.

almostover · 13-11-2020 11:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That’s rubbish.
There are takeaway pints and street parties on the middle of winter. Nobody is afraid of catching Covid. Pubs and restaurants would be packed if allowed to open. Demand would be huge.

What could we have done differently? Protect the nursing homes for a start. Something we’ve failed to do all year and has caused the majority of deaths. Put procedures in place to prevent spread in hospitals? Increase ICU capacity?

Most importantly though, we should have accepted a higher death toll in order to look after the overall greater good of the country and future generations.

Instead we have chosen to saddle future generations with billions of debt. All because we were a bit afraid of a mild disease.

It's not as mild as you think. My 1st cousin had a mild dose of COVID. 22 years old and was sick for 4-5 days. No big deal. However her sense of smell and taste have not returned properly. She had COVID in March. Her GP believes there maybe permanent damage to the smell receptors in her nose. Perhaps a minor thing in the grand scheme of life but COVID is far from mild. The common cold is a mild illness

Just out of interest, when you vote do you consider things such as better standards of care for the elderly, more ICU capacity and better infection control measures in our hospitals? Or is it only now as we have had to bring in restrictions to normal social life to protect our abysmal healthcare system? Everyone suddenly has become concerned about mental health and healthcare now that a situation has occurred to expose our years of negligence of these things. It seems it's only when people are hit in their pockets or are restricted from having a pint that they begin to care about the things that in the recent past were someone else's problem to worry about.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-11-2020 11:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Instead we have chosen to saddle future generations with billions of debt. All because we were a bit afraid of a mild disease.

Meanwhile in the real world no governement, none, is going to be allowing an unknown pathogen run riot through it's population.

There is a very real reason life is as it is today, why the population is enduring restrictions all over the world.

It's not because governments want to do it - it's because they have no choice.

Best to get on with it really facing up to the reality of the situation and preparing for the year ahead, hopeful of a game changer but mindful that while these restrictions may go up or down, they ain't going away any time soon.

BeefeaterHat · 13-11-2020 11:21PM

almostover wrote: »

I really dont see what an alternative course of action is to deal with this pandemic. Dont think ignoring expert advice to limit our social contacts would work well. Italy back in the sh*tter again, UK in a bad place also. NPHET arent some sort of sadistic puppemaster pulling the strings. I have a feeling that when all this is behind us Ireland will look back and in hindsight say that our rolling lockdown approach was the best course of action.

The main difference between us and italy and the uk is that they were open longer and at a much looser level than we were. People were traveling to and from places like Greece all through the summer while we were being told at 4 cases a day that we still weren't where NPHET wanted us to be which is as vacuous a statement that has ever been uttered under the sun. There's zero nuance or planning or intelligence behind NPHET and their strategies just the same caveman brute Force approach of lockdown after lockdown.

PTH2009 · 13-11-2020 11:24PM

Tbh the government need to come and officially state WTF is going to happen the end of the month. Sick of this 'he said she said' stuff with Leo been a massive culprit of this

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