Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

WrenBoy wrote: »

Looks like its back to business as usual for the American War machine after a 4 years with no new wars, Im sure they'll make up for lost time. Money to be made.

US foreign arms sales went up under Trump - in fact he sold more arms abroad in each year of his presidency than any previous president. This notion of Trump being the peace president is just like a lot of aspects of Trump's life - a total fabrication. Not to mention the massive expansion of drone strikes in places like Yemen and Somalia. You've been conned if you think Trump is the peace president I'm afraid.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248521/us-arms-exports/

WrenBoy wrote: »

Just watch in a year or 2 being anti-war will be considered far right. Looking forward to it.

You have said that under Biden that it is back to business as usual. Just a reminder that under Trump we've had:

- more foreign arms sales than under any president in history,
- expanded drone programmes in the Middle East and East Africa,
- removal of rules requiring transparency around civilian deaths from foreign drone strikes.

So if Biden is "back to business as usual" then thankfully we should be able to look forward to less foreign arms sales, less drone strikes and more transparency around it. I presume you welcome that?

WrenBoy wrote: »

Hang on, so its good that Biden is like Trump ?

Did I say that? I'm pointing out that you are inconsistent in your argument.

The fact that you are blanking the comments pointing out the continued rise drone strikes and increase in armaments manufacturing in the US suggests you are not arguing in good faith. So parroting cult talking points about "starting no new wars" is a point devoid of context and meaning.

Pretty low bar now for the American president. Oh he's great he didn't start any new wars.

seamus wrote: »

Trump's "smoking gun" witness of fraud in Michigan.

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

It's short and worth a listen to give you a chuckle.

She alleges that a number of vans came to the count centre and unloaded loads of ballots. She was told it was food for the counters, but says it definitely wasn't because one van couldn't hold enough food for everyone, because she couldn't see what was being unloaded, and it was unloaded out the back of the van.

When Kayleigh McEnany waves around pages of "evidence" it's these nonsense affidavits from people like this lady that they are claiming as evidence.

namloc1980 wrote: »

You have said that under Biden that it is back to business as usual. Just a reminder that under Trump we've had:

- more foreign arms sales than under any president in history,
- expanded drone programmes in the Middle East and East Africa,
- removal of rules requiring transparency around civilian deaths from foreign drone strikes.

So if Biden is "back to business as usual" then thankfully we should be able to look forward to less foreign arms sales, less drone strikes and more transparency around it. I presume you welcome that?

Business as usual..

Biden voted for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which resulted in 7,037 American troop fatalities and 53,117 American troop injuries. About 84 percent of Afghanistan casualties (19,350 of 23,113) occurred under Obama/Biden, while 95 percent of Iraq casualties (35,182 of 37,041) occurred under Bush/Cheney. Only 1 percent of all casualties occurred under Trump/Pence.

After eight years of Obama/Biden The Institute for Economics and Peace’s Global Peace Index reported a decade-long decline in peace, with terrorism at an all-time high, battle deaths from conflict at a 25-year high and the number of refugees at a level not seen in 60 years.

The U.S. State Department reported a 34 percent growth in foreign terrorist organizations since Obama/Biden took office in 2009, with about 75 percent of them operating in Muslim-majority countries.
and decisions detrimentally affected the U.S. economy, U.S. national security, and international peace and security.

Freedom House reported that as of 2016, global freedom had declined for 10 consecutive years, with press freedom at its lowest point in 12 years. Of the world’s 7.3 billion people at the time, only 40 percent lived in freedom and only 13 percent enjoyed a free press.

The Obama/Biden reset policy with Russia (2009-2013) backfired as Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and entered the Syria civil war in 2015, which eventually allowed the Kremlin to establish long-term agreements for a Russian airbase and seaport in that country.

The administration’s Libyan misadventure turned into a disaster, with four American diplomats murdered in Benghazi and Libya becoming a failed state.

Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, raised serious questions about Biden’s security judgments. In his 2014 book, “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War,” Gates wrote that “he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

Criticising Biden is not support of Trump and all his policies. Will any criticism of Joe in the future be answered with well you must be a far right Trumpist Racist ?

DubInMeath wrote: »

Try harder.

good one

hirondelle wrote: »

Did I say that? I'm pointing out that you are inconsistent in your argument.

The fact that you are blanking the comments pointing out the continued rise drone strikes and increase in armaments manufacturing in the US suggests you are not arguing in good faith. So parroting cult talking points about "starting no new wars" is a point devoid of context and meaning.

Drone strikes bad new wars bad increasing influence of Gun dealers and war profiteers in Government = bad. Cult talking points I suppose. Is every thing black and white with you ? Is any criticism of Biden allowed ?

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And which of those are Wars that Obama started????

And which did he finish?

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This trope gets trotted out repeatedly without any grounding in reality.

What "Wars" exactly did Obama start?

It's just more fud from/about Trump being the 'President of Peace', which is clearly horsesh!t, especially as he has Presided over the most divided America that I can remember.

Narcissistic types often out out these confusing mixed messages.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It shows how little he does.

His level of effort is not a measure of how much work is required to be President.

He's a frontman, designed to sell a product, which he did. He sold bull**** to loads of people who were willing to lap it up, no questions asked. He says the lies people want to hear, like draining swamps, tackling Wall St. and bringing jobs back from abroad.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, his string pullers pile in as much of the opposite as they can, largely unnoticed.

Trump did the job he was asked of the Republican Party.

seamus wrote: »

Trump's "smoking gun" witness of fraud in Michigan.

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

It's short and worth a listen to give you a chuckle.

She alleges that a number of vans came to the count centre and unloaded loads of ballots. She was told it was food for the counters, but says it definitely wasn't because one van couldn't hold enough food for everyone, because she couldn't see what was being unloaded, and it was unloaded out the back of the van.

That is genuinely hilarious....smoking gun...lol

drogon. wrote: »

Word has it Donald may try to run again in 2024. Question is will the Republican's allow him ?

He could run as an Independent, But I am sure it will split the current Republican vote by half. Many Republicans probably voted for him due to the stance the Democrats take with regards to abortion and what they see it as socialism like health care for all. Will be interesting to see how many would choose Trump as a independent candidate vs someone else from the Republican Party.

The Democrats would love nothing better than that. He'd take millions of morons away from the Republicans and reduced their vote even further.

The Dems could put a picture Minnie Mouse up as a candidate and still romp home.