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Ruger 10/22 Restricted Licences Query

  • 10-11-2020 11:53am
    #1
    jb88
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭


    I have a question for the more factually up to date among you.
    Aside from Ruger Charger's do any of you guys on boards have a restricted licence for a Ruger 10/22?


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  • #2
    cookimonster
    Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    Restricted as in how, magazine capacity, bullpup stock ?


  • #3
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Would be a restricted "pistol" due to it's mag capacity of 10 rounds?

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  • #4
    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Would be a restricted "pistol" due to it's mag capacity of 10 rounds?

    Thought you were allowed 10 rounds ?


  • #5
    juice1304
    Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭juice1304


    tudderone wrote: »
    Thought you were allowed 10 rounds ?

    You are allowed 5 rounds. 10 round mags are meant to have a limiter in them. Revolvers have 1 or 5 chambers plugged. Complete nonsense.


  • #6
    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    juice1304 wrote: »
    You are allowed 5 rounds. 10 round mags are meant to have a limiter in them. Revolvers have 1 or 5 chambers plugged. Complete nonsense.

    I thought that was dropped in the latest guidelines along with the stupid minimum barrel length ?


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  • #7
    jb88
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭jb88


    So by the answers im thinking that no one who yet replied has a Restricted 10/22, (Its a rifle lads) Just to rule out any Pistol discussion.


  • #8
    jb88
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭jb88


    cookimonster wrote: »
    Restricted as in how, magazine capacity, bullpup stock ?

    Restricted as in have a restricted licence for a 10/22 Rifle?


  • #9
    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    jb88 wrote: »
    Restricted as in have a restricted licence for a 10/22 Rifle?

    Don't understand. What makes it restricted ?


  • #10
    Bogwoppit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    A regular 10/22 is not restricted.


  • #11
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Let's just define stuff here;

    A Ruger Charger is a pistolised version of the 10/22 rifle. As it has a std 10 round mag that would make it a restricted.22 pistol

    The Ruger 10/22 rifle is unrestricted in its normal 10 round configuration.
    What would make it restricted is adding a high capacity mag above 10 rounds.

    As of yet, I've not heard of anyone with a good reason that is convincing enough to pull this one off

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  • #12
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    The Ruger 10/22 rifle is unrestricted in its normal 10 round configuration.
    What would make it restricted is adding a high capacity mag above 10 rounds.

    Just for the sake of arguing with you (because I know this is one of your pet hates) but putting certain types of stocks on a Ruger 10/22 could make them restricted.


  • #13
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Could, but won't, and has been dropped out of the Garda guidelines in the latest version.:)

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    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #14
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Could, but won't, and has been dropped out of the Garda guidelines in the latest version.:)

    Ah come on, argue with me. :D

    The thing with the Commish's guidelines is that they are just guidelines. While you stand a good chance winning a court case, the 'Idontlikethelookofthat' law is still on the books.


  • #15
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Ok..I'll bite.:P:D:D
    Yes, the "idontlikethelookodatnow!" section is on the books. But it is and has been proven unworkable more than enough times with CF stuff, and we have trashed it out here enough times too. So we won't go there on that...
    Dropping it from the guidelines also says a lot, because if there was a chance of it being successful, they would certainly have left them in.

    The only one that they have, and even then it is a very very shaky one is the Bullpup configuration, and even that's very wobbly as it is not defined in Irish law, same as the "looks like an assault rifle" line. In fact in the bullpup case, there isn't even an agreed international definition as to what one is like an "assault rifle".

    From a legislative LE POV working off the mag capacity makes more sense than trying to battle on scary features or non-existent legal definitions.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #16
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    The only one that they have, and even then it is a very very shaky one is the Bullpup configuration, and even that's very wobbly as it is not defined in Irish law,
    A bullpup?

    Yes it is. SI21/2008:
    “bullpup rifles” means rifles with a magazine located behind the trigger;
    In fact in the bullpup case, there isn't even an agreed international definition as to what one is like an "assault rifle".
    For the purpose of Irish law, international law doesn't matter. If the mag is behind the trigger under Irish law it's a bullpup, hence restricted.

    Its why there is so much sh*t happening regarding air rifles (second half of this post)
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  • #17
    garv123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    25 shot mags are crap, not worth the effort of getting a restricted license for one. They jam all the time and get caught in everything, the ground/ditch included.. So the yanks say on facebook anyways..


  • #18
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Cass wrote: »
    A bullpup?

    Yes it is. SI21/2008:




    For the purpose of Irish law, international law doesn't matter. If the mag is behind the trigger under Irish law it's a bullpup, hence restricted.

    Its why there is so much sh*t happening regarding air rifles (second half of this post)

    So what happens if this is a single shot bullpup design?There are such things

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  • #19
    Cass
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    Doesn't matter. The law does not define a bullpup by its ability to fire in single shot, semi auto or full auto only by it's design.

    The issue i linked to with the air rifles is exactly that. Air rifles are single shot/bolt action, but the models the RFD started all this crap over have the mag located in the butt stock, behind the trigger, hence bullpup. THe DoJ have advised all AGS to revoke licenses or for people to change from unrestricted to restricted to keep them.
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  • #20
    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Instead of where the magazine is, why not just do what other, saner countries do and specify an overall length, that, if a firearm falls below, is restricted ? I was looking at one of the lovely little Browning semi-auto .22 rifles, but they load through a slot in the buttstock, so they are classed as a bullpup, even though they are a full length rifle.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLuTGSBjMHE


  • #21
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    We already have length restrictions here both EU and national. But like everything the definition is rubbish and knocks as you said rifles into a category they shouldn't be in.


    You could really go down a legal and technical rabbit hole with the Bull Pup design here, going by this vid. So much so that you could classify any handgun as a "bull pup design"

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  • #22
    Bagpipe
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Bagpipe


    Sorry to butt in on the conversation but, aside from target shooting what could be put down as a reason for wanting a 10/22? Would ammunition cost in place of a .223 for vermin control be a valid one?


  • #23
    garv123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    Bagpipe wrote: »
    Sorry to butt in on the conversation but, aside from target shooting what could be put down as a reason for wanting a 10/22? Would ammunition cost in place of a .223 for vermin control be a valid one?

    Small vermin control. rabbits etc.


  • #24
    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Bagpipe wrote: »
    Sorry to butt in on the conversation but, aside from target shooting what could be put down as a reason for wanting a 10/22? Would ammunition cost in place of a .223 for vermin control be a valid one?

    Great for gallery rifle and general bunny bashing.


  • #25
    Bagpipe
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Bagpipe


    garv123 wrote: »
    Small vermin control. rabbits etc.
    tudderone wrote: »
    Great for gallery rifle and general bunny bashing.




    Oh excellent :D


  • #26
    no_4
    Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭no_4


    Do you need permissions from other landowners or can you state you want to do small vermin control on your own land? Do you have to prove you own the land in question?


  • #27
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    You can do vermin control on your own land if you have it. Braces on the belt if you can prove that you will be doing it for other landowners.:)

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • #28
    Bagpipe
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Bagpipe


    Would the likes of those g36 kits /archangel kits have to be licensed as restricted or are they sound to just be put into as is?


  • #29
    dax121
    Registered Users Posts: 463 ✭✭dax121


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Would be a restricted "pistol" due to it's mag capacity of 10 rounds?

    I have a licenced ruger 10/22 charger type firearm. It's build on a kidd action and all kidd parts. It's a un restricted pistol due to it 5 round mags. You can get factory ruger 5 round mags for these.
    It has a 10" barrel and shoots rifle size groups at 50 anyone that ever shot it can't believe what it can do.


  • #30
    tudderone
    Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    dax121 wrote: »
    I have a licenced ruger 10/22 charger type firearm. It's build on a kidd action and all kidd parts. It's a un restricted pistol due to it 5 round mags. You can get factory ruger 5 round mags for these.
    It has a 10" barrel and shoots rifle size groups at 50 anyone that ever shot it can't believe what it can do.

    Can you hunt with them or it illegal ?


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  • #31
    dax121
    Registered Users Posts: 463 ✭✭dax121


    tudderone wrote: »
    Can you hunt with them or it illegal ?

    It's licenced as a pistol so only range use


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