Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Leroy42 · 12-11-2020 05:02PM

jmayo wrote: »

Trump couldn't be a card carrying KKK member as far as I know since he hangs out with Jews, his daughter and son in law.

Now we know his daddy was linked to KKK.

The whole Trump phenomena is a collection of once unbelievable and often incompatible beliefs and mindsets at play.

He has managed to gain support from groups that would actually have detested his very existence and in no way supported him in the not so distant past.

For instance how has he managed to gain and keep the support of the religious right, the evangelicals, in the US?
This is a guy that has numerous marriages, numerous illicit public affairs, was recorded making hugely disparaging sexist remarks about women, hung out with dodgy types and yet they ignore his whole relationship history.

FFS some of the religious right looked down on Reagan because he was divorced even though it happened decades before he ran for president.
The likes of Gary Hart had his Democrat presidential nomination ruined just because of rumours of affairs.

Yet they seem to love Trump?

There is also belief now that it is right wing catholics that are supporting him more than right wing evangelicals, but that doesn't explain the voters in middle America.

Then you have the love in from definite white supremacists, the KKK types.
These types seem to totally ignore his Jewish relations.

I find the whole thing as baffling as how come there are certain groups who support right-wing ideologically incompatible belief systems.

Because Trump is a much more skilled operator than most give him credit for. A bit like Boris, he gets to come across as somewhat bumbling, shooting from the hip but not really understanding what he is saying.

This allows him to laugh off anything that goes a bit far, even though it was very much what he wanted to say.

So he gets to be something to everyone, but never actually takes a position that alienates anyone that he looks to support him. So be never says anything openly racist, but never actually denounces it and so straddles both camps.

hometruths · 12-11-2020 05:10PM

Smee_Again wrote: »

It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you're saying isn't actually racist he just does and says racist things because they benefit him.

Is that a fair comment?

Not really, I will try and explain.

Is he querying Obama's birth cert because you have to be born in US to be president (i.e a political point) or is he querying his birth cert saying he was born in Kenya and thus an inferior human being (a racist point)?

I don't know, but I suspect it is political. And he did that to benefit himself.

On the other hand telling people to go back to where they came from is undeniably racist in any context, but he did not say that to benefit himself, he said because it he does not take criticism well and he lashed out.

My problem with the white supremacy stuff is that it is given much more prominence than the evidence deserves, and there is an argument he actively supports white supremacists and refuses to condemn them which is simply not true.

And this in turn contributes to an inability to have a sensible discussion about whether or not he is actually racist, because it over shadows stuff like the remarks about going back to where you came from. i.e people prefer to talk about the fine people at Charlottesville stuff, which is nonsense.

This discussion started re the Central Park 5. A similiar case in point.

Don I think he's racist? Maybe, I'm not really very sure. All I am saying is a lot of the evidence I hear touted as his racism, I don't find as convincing as others seem to.

I definitely suspect he is not as racist as a lot of outwardly respectable US politicians who are more careful with what they say.

I also suspect the best judges of racism are ethnic minorities themselves, and if they believed he was genuinely racist and a supporter of white supremacists, they would not have voted from him in larger numbers than 2016.

namloc1980 · 12-11-2020 05:18PM

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He's losing it. Trump News Network anyone?

statesaver · 12-11-2020 05:18PM

" I'm Irish " my hole you are.
Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

Cordell · 12-11-2020 05:23PM

Tony EH wrote: »

There's no such thing.

Well, yes and no. I said the "american left", which just like the "american liberals" and "american progressives" have nothing in common with the left, or liberalism, or progressivism. They don't want a better society, they only want their people to be better, fk the rest. They only value liberties that don't inconvenience them. They only good progress is that which aligns closely with their agenda.

Quin_Dub · 12-11-2020 05:26PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

The founder of Newsmax was on CNN the other day saying he hopes to soon be a business partner of Trump.

No doubt....

He's getting his fans to dump Fox , then he'll see where they end up and which of the 2 channels suck up to him the most.

Everything is the Apprentice for him.

Overheal · 12-11-2020 05:28PM

Trump is already quietly planning his own streaming service.

These challenges to the election aren’t serious just kick back and watch the comedy of errors as Trump tries to escape out the back door.

threeball · 12-11-2020 05:30PM

briany wrote: »

I notice a common thread among news outlets which Trump dislikes. They dare question or criticise him. He's not criticising them because he thinks their standard of journalism is bad, or actually, maybe he does, because in his mind it's all the same.

I know there are some news anchors who openly do not like Donald Trump, and it's an open goal for him to say, "Well, they hate me, so of course they're biased.", but there's little difference to him between that and someone who just wants to call some BS. In either instance, he plays the victim. Maybe he wouldn't be asked such 'tough' questions in one-on-ones if he didn't do or say so much questionable stuff?

Trump's thinking isn't really any different from facebook bios which say "Screw da haterz." The 'haterz' may be such because the person's a d!ckhead.

Back to the old saying, "if you think everyone else in the room is a d1ckhead, then you're the d1ckhead". Trump just can't accept that fact.

km991148 · 12-11-2020 05:32PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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He's losing it. Trump News Network anyone?

Your problem seems to be with tenses. Lost. A long, long time ago.

Professor Moriarty · 12-11-2020 05:42PM

statesaver wrote: »

" I'm Irish " my hole you are.
Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

No, let's continue it. Let's keep reminding Biden that he's Irish. Let's give him a Céad Míle Fáilte.

12-11-2020 05:43PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

OANN is probably the vehicle to get him rolling.

In terms of revenue , MyPillow and a few others will be there in a heartbeat but yeah hard to see any mainstream brands looking to advertise there.

But the revenue will come from online more than the traditional TV pathway - All about those clicks!

Should be more appropriately named ONAN for the pure **** they peddle as news

12-11-2020 05:45PM

statesaver wrote: »

" I'm Irish " my hole you are.
Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1326225802921381895?s=21

The Raging Bile Duct · 12-11-2020 05:46PM

statesaver wrote: »

" I'm Irish " my hole you are.
Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

With the UK continuing to fook about in relation to its Brexit negotiations and the potential fallout for us, I'm delighted to have a US president that looks favourably on us and has stated the need to keep the GFA intact.

bewareofthedog · 12-11-2020 05:47PM

He's starting to get bold on twitter again. He was quiet for a couple days once the election was called. This sick puppy needs to be put down asap.

Fox "abandoned" Trump and his supporters simply for calling the results of the election. What type of make believe universe are they living in?

He's the ringmaster leading the charge - one of most manipulative and dangerous people in the world right now.

Padre_Pio · 12-11-2020 05:47PM

statesaver wrote: »

" I'm Irish " my hole you are.
Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

As cringe as it is, if there's any grá that can be cultivated with the POTUS elect then it should.
It all benefits us.

Leroy42 · 12-11-2020 05:48PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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He's losing it. Trump News Network anyone?

So he accepts that the outcome of the 2020 is different to 2016. Sure he blames it on Fox, but that is the first time he has acknowledged the defeat.

is_that_so · 12-11-2020 05:49PM

No idea where he's getting these numbers!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256?s=19

statesaver · 12-11-2020 05:49PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No, let's continue it. Let's keep reminding Biden that he's Irish. Let's give him a Céad Míle Fáilte.

But he is not Irish.

His administration will give the UK a more favourable trade deal than the one Trump would of gave. Biden seems very agreeable while Trump was all America First and all that.

Professor Moriarty · 12-11-2020 05:51PM

statesaver wrote: »

But he is not Irish.

His administration will give the UK a more favourable trade deal than the one Trump would of gave. Biden seems very agreeable while Trump was all America First and all that.

No. He will focus on trade with the EU and fostering good relations with a very important ally. If Britain is a good little doggie and doesn't piss this very important ally off, they will get a trade deal. If that deal is good for Britain, it's good for Ireland.

Quin_Dub · 12-11-2020 05:57PM

statesaver wrote: »

But he is not Irish.

His administration will give the UK a more favourable trade deal than the one Trump would of gave. Biden seems very agreeable while Trump was all America First and all that.

Absolutely the opposite.

Biden will do the logical thing which would be to prioritise the relationship with the EU over the UK - Larger market and significantly more influential globally.

Trump was going to try to give the UK a better deal purely as part of his divide and conquer approach to minimise the EU.

Also - Trump wouldn't be the one to give the UK a deal had he won, that is solely within the control of the House , which is controlled by the Democratic party.

Overheal · 12-11-2020 05:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No idea where he's getting these numbers!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256?s=19

The courts have no idea either.

sabat · 12-11-2020 05:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No idea where he's getting these numbers!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256?s=19

This guy has been uncovering skulduggery with the vote machines for a few days now:

https://twitter.com/We_Have_Risen

(I have no idea whether he's onto something or not.)

Boggles · 12-11-2020 06:00PM

schmittel wrote: »

Not really, I will try and explain.

Is he querying Obama's birth cert because you have to be born in US to be president (i.e a political point) or is he querying his birth cert saying he was born in Kenya and thus an inferior human being (a racist point)?

I don't know, but I suspect it is political. And he did that to benefit himself.

On the other hand telling people to go back to where they came from is undeniably racist in any context, but he did not say that to benefit himself, he said because it he does not take criticism well and he lashed out.

My problem with the white supremacy stuff is that it is given much more prominence than the evidence deserves, and there is an argument he actively supports white supremacists and refuses to condemn them which is simply not true.

And this in turn contributes to an inability to have a sensible discussion about whether or not he is actually racist, because it over shadows stuff like the remarks about going back to where you came from. i.e people prefer to talk about the fine people at Charlottesville stuff, which is nonsense.

This discussion started re the Central Park 5. A similiar case in point.

Don I think he's racist? Maybe, I'm not really very sure. All I am saying is a lot of the evidence I hear touted as his racism, I don't find as convincing as others seem to.

I definitely suspect he is not as racist as a lot of outwardly respectable US politicians who are more careful with what they say.

I also suspect the best judges of racism are ethnic minorities themselves, and if they believed he was genuinely racist and a supporter of white supremacists, they would not have voted from him in larger numbers than 2016.

So what you are saying is, here is a bunch of crazy racist shít Trump has said and done, but he is not racist because it was done for personal gain.

Rudy?

Boggles · 12-11-2020 06:03PM

sabat wrote: »

This guy has been uncovering skulduggery with the vote machines for a few days now:

https://twitter.com/We_Have_Risen

(I have no idea whether he's onto something or not.)

He isn't

tobefrank321 · 12-11-2020 06:07PM

Republicans are slowly coming on side now with Biden being the winner. Good to see.
Hopefully the Georgia hand count is over before Nov 20th and the result can be certified along with the other states.
I think the Supreme Court can only get involved if there is evidence of systematic fraud. So far the only evidence of systematic fraud was Republicans in California putting up official looking boxes to capture mail in votes, knowing full well that Republicans wouldn't use them. That and a Republican voter trying to register his dead mother, although that's not systematic.

Hopefully this saga tears apart the Republican party and splits it down the middle into pro and anti Trump.

sabat · 12-11-2020 06:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

He isn't

Wow, you read through that fast. Could you explain the flaws in his methodology here so?

https://twitter.com/We_Have_Risen/status/1325129915709104129

Quin_Dub · 12-11-2020 06:12PM

sabat wrote: »

This guy has been uncovering skulduggery with the vote machines for a few days now:

https://twitter.com/We_Have_Risen

(I have no idea whether he's onto something or not.)

He really isn't.

Voting machines are generally speaking , ancient piles of crap , rickety and prone to crashing etc.

There were multiple reports of delays on Election day because the machines had crapped out and needed to be rebooted etc. etc.

Some machines may even have "admin menus" that allow you to make changes to information etc.

However , the fact that there is an option in the system to carry out a task is not evidence that someone did.

This is throwing mud hoping it will stick , nothing more nothing less.

is_that_so · 12-11-2020 06:12PM

sabat wrote: »

This guy has been uncovering skulduggery with the vote machines for a few days now:

https://twitter.com/We_Have_Risen

(I have no idea whether he's onto something or not.)

Court cases tumbling like dominoes say he isn't.

Boggles · 12-11-2020 06:19PM

sabat wrote: »

Wow, you read through that fast.

I read

"WE_Have_Risen"

and stopped there.

Fiery mutant · 12-11-2020 06:23PM

statesaver wrote: »

But he is not Irish.

His administration will give the UK a more favourable trade deal than the one Trump would of gave. Biden seems very agreeable while Trump was all America First and all that.

As cringe as it is that we love to claim anyone who has sneezed on Ireland at one stage, Biden has made no secret of his Irish roots, and takes Great pride in it. Grew up in a predominantly Irish neighbourhood, and throughout his career has made no secret of the fact that his family are immensely proud of their Irish history. But I agree with you, that we need to be a bit more grown up about it at times.

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