Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

wakka12 · 11-11-2020 07:54PM

cnocbui wrote: »

There likely have ben a lot more than 14. That is just the ones where someone had the time to have a closer look.

Definitely, of the 14 a good few were asymptomatic first time then symptomatic second time and then vice versa for others, so definitely would be hard to spot reinfections with that

harr · 11-11-2020 08:15PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

We need level 2 for at least from the 10th of December up until the 1st of January

Would be happy with a month long level two at this stage mid December till mid January.

Talisman · 11-11-2020 08:18PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Government, NPHET and the HSE shouldn't be allowed to say schools are safe without definitive proof that it's the case.

The words used were "not high-risk". I doubt anyone in authority has said that schools are safe, that is an interpretation of what was said that people have chosen to use.

cameramonkey · 11-11-2020 08:18PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It's on foot of this

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1111/1177455-covid-reinfection/

She didn't say anything about T cell immune response.

11-11-2020 08:21PM

kippy wrote: »

So you reckon loosening all restrictions would be sound.

Absolutely.
Death rate is tiny and way overstated.
Hospitals are quieter than ever.
Over half the hospital cases just tested positive while in for other reasons.

Put proper steps in place in nursing homes and we’d only have a handful of deaths a month.

But it was too difficult for our experts to do that in over half a year.. easier to put half a million out of work and look to be doing something.

KrustyUCC · 11-11-2020 08:27PM

https://www.thejournal.ie/university-hospital-limerick-2-5263517-Nov2020/

I presume outbreaks of Covid picked up in hospitals are counted in the daily figures?

spookwoman · 11-11-2020 08:27PM

normanoffside · 11-11-2020 08:29PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/university-hospital-limerick-2-5263517-Nov2020/

I presume outbreaks of Covid picked up in hospitals are counted in the daily figures?

Yes of course and as I pointed out earlier the majority of patients in Hospital with Covid also picked it up in Hospital.

11-11-2020 08:29PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/university-hospital-limerick-2-5263517-Nov2020/

I presume outbreaks of Covid picked up in hospitals are counted in the daily figures?

They’ll all be included in the hospital figures. Even though they only tested positive while in hospital and may not have symptoms .

Deeper Blue · 11-11-2020 08:37PM

Tomas Ryan has officially jumped the shark

He's being absolutely ridiculed online for the January Christmas idea, and deservedly so

Hopefully this will mean he gets no more column inches

odyssey06 · 11-11-2020 08:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely.
Death rate is tiny and way overstated.
Hospitals are quieter than ever.
Over half the hospital cases just tested positive while in for other reasons.

Put proper steps in place in nursing homes and we’d only have a handful of deaths a month.

But it was too difficult for our experts to do that in over half a year.. easier to put half a million out of work and look to be doing something.

This is from someone who says the real issue with the pandemic is that the pubs aren't open?

Proper steps in nursing homes, like what exactly?
I've heard it on this thread before, 'protect the vulnerable' & 'open the pubs'.
It's just a slogan. Nobody spells out how you can protect the vulnerable as the virus runs its natural course in society.
They don't give two hoots about the vulnerable.

The death rate is a factor of the restrictions we have had in place.
Our death toll would be higher without them.
Incredible some people try to present that as we don't need the restrictions, the death toll is tiny.

Cork2021 · 11-11-2020 08:43PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Tomas Ryan has officially jumped the shark

He's being absolutely ridiculed online for the January Christmas idea, and deservedly so

Hopefully this will mean he gets no more column inches

Don’t worry he’ll be on prime time tomorrow night saying we should have Christmas and paddy’s day together best year

11-11-2020 08:46PM

vienne86 wrote: »

Dublin not as bad as the last couple of days. Poor Donegal - they can't seem to make any headway.

The Guards need to be at the border fining people who do not have a valid reason to go into the north and turning back all but essential journeys from northerners coming in. Far to many people heading into the north for shopping and leisure and sport activities.

Happydays2020 · 11-11-2020 08:48PM

What is the positivity rate?

mcburns07 · 11-11-2020 08:48PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Tomas Ryan has officially jumped the shark

He's being absolutely ridiculed online for the January Christmas idea, and deservedly so

Hopefully this will mean he gets no more column inches

Considering how weird 2020 has been, it's some achievement by Tomas to have produced the strangest news story of the year.

appledrop · 11-11-2020 08:57PM

The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.

Enough is enough that is not good enough.

Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?

Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.

I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.

Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.

Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.

Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

Arghus · 11-11-2020 08:57PM

Thomas Ryan expressed it clumsily, in a way that is bound to get people's backs up, but his point is life will still have to go on in January, February, March etc, etc and we'll still be dealing with this and we'll in all likelihood be dealing with rising numbers again and it's totally possible, even probable, that we'll be facing another lockdown again.

And this current fixation on Christmas - not that I can't understand it to an extent - has blinded people somewhat to the logical outcomes of what comes afterwards if we don't try to drive the numbers down as low as possible.

11-11-2020 08:58PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

Considering how weird 2020 has been, it's some achievement by Tomas to have produced the strangest news story of the year.

If his mad idea was possible then I think it would be fantastic. Batten down the hatches until January and say goodbye to Covid. It's not possible though so we may as well take our weeks of respite where we can find them.

Arghus · 11-11-2020 08:59PM

appledrop wrote: »

The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.

Enough is enough that is not good enough.

Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?

Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.

I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.

Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.

Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.

Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

I don't how it's a surprise to you to be honest, they said that level 3 for the start of December was exactly what they were aiming for.

stephenjmcd · 11-11-2020 09:00PM

appledrop wrote: »

The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.

Enough is enough that is not good enough.

Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?

Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.

I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.

Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.

Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.

Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

If you actually read what was said its level 3 is the aim but its clear as day from his quotes that they'll be looking to bring more sectors into level 3

odyssey06 · 11-11-2020 09:03PM

appledrop wrote: »

The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.
Enough is enough that is not good enough.
Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?
Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.
I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.
Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.
Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.
Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

I hear where you are coming from.
It's becoming clear to me that you can have open borders or an open society.
Choose one.
Or you face a big death toll.

wadacrack · 11-11-2020 09:05PM

appledrop wrote: »

The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.

Enough is enough that is not good enough.

Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?

Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.

I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.

Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.

Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.

Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

Very selfish post tbh. We aren't owed anything btw. Its about making logical decision at this point especially with a vaccine and rapid testing weeks away possibly. Pubs and restaurants may open but and hopefully in as safe way as possible.

giveitholly · 11-11-2020 09:07PM

appledrop wrote: »

The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.

Enough is enough that is not good enough.

Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?

Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.

I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.

Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.

Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.

Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

Reckon it will be level 3 but closer to Christmas they will allow people go from county to county,restaurants will prob open around xmas as well

wakka12 · 11-11-2020 09:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely.
Death rate is tiny and way overstated.
Hospitals are quieter than ever.
Over half the hospital cases just tested positive while in for other reasons.

Put proper steps in place in nursing homes and we’d only have a handful of deaths a month.

But it was too difficult for our experts to do that in over half a year.. easier to put half a million out of work and look to be doing something.

Well we know exactly how many deaths we'd see based on Northern Ireland currently, they are seeing 10 deaths per day, which would be 30 here daily. Half are in care homes, roughly same as us. So even if we somehow limited care home deaths to zero somehow which is impossible but anyway we down here would still see 15 community deaths per day for an indefinitely long period of time which may ultimately lead to a very large increase in excess mortality. We'd see 400+ extra deaths per month, yes the death toll was overstated but it's not a handful

Spanish Eyes · 11-11-2020 09:10PM

Apart from some rabidly anti restriction posters, I'd reckon that many do not want to waste the lockdowns for a few creamy pints at Christmas.

January is bad enough, no need to lock us down again for the sake of a sit down meal or a few drinks really.

That is the issue facing the decision makers. Look I know that families and friends will meet up, but whilst I am not hiding under the bed, I dread the result of opening things up in the middle of Winter also.

Allow people to go inter county to see their families. That would be nice!

odyssey06 · 11-11-2020 09:13PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Apart from some rabidly anti restriction posters, I'd reckon that many do not want to waste the lockdowns for a few creamy pints at Christmas.
January is bad enough, no need to lock us down again for the sake of a sit down meal or a few drinks really.
That is the issue facing the decision makers. Look I know that families and friends will meet up, but whilst I am not hiding under the bed, I dread the result of opening things up in the middle of Winter also.
Allow people to go inter county to see their families. That would be nice!

January is voluntary lockdown for most people though. Most sports have stopped also. Probably quietest months for pubs and restaurants.

Just keep the gyms open!

mcburns07 · 11-11-2020 09:13PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Reckon it will be level 3 but closer to Christmas they will allow people go from county to county,restaurants will prob open around xmas as well

Restrictions on leaving your county are so completely ridiculous unless a county's figures are completely out of kilter with the rest of the country.

podgeandrodge · 11-11-2020 09:25PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1326596760710602753

Meanwhile we can't have 2 people go for a pint.

New York also:

New York will impose a handful of coronavirus restrictions on residents and businesses across the state as it tackles several “hotspot” outbreaks and tries to avoid a surge in cases, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

Restaurants and bars licensed by the State Liquor Authority will be ordered to close at 10 p.m. beginning Friday, though they can operate for curbside pickup past that time, Cuomo said on a call with reporters. Gyms will also be forced to close at that time.

This is where we are OTT at this stage. Allow some normal life and people will act like adults if treated as such.

PowerToWait · 11-11-2020 09:25PM

I will forever associate the words 'farce' and 'farcical' with anti-science, anti-logic, anti-society loons following this pandemic. It has almost become the cri de geurre for these people, which is a shame.

Spanish Eyes · 11-11-2020 09:25PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

January is voluntary lockdown for most people though. Most sports have stopped also. Probably quietest months for pubs and restaurants.

Just keep the gyms open!

Ok I'll get on to Tony right away about that.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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