Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

speckle · 11-11-2020 02:22PM

OwenM wrote: »

They can mix the vaccine into ice cream ?? That's brilliant, you know what why don't they wait for a really cold day in January and get the Aer Corps to crop dust the country with Mr Freezes laced with it?

I know it is a different illness and type of medication. But TB medicine for kids used to come in sachets looking like hundreds and thousands/ topping for trifle/ice cream. You then added milk to make a kind of a milkshake. I fell hard done having an innate immunity, that my siblings got my favorite treat.

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Id have to agree with him. He is a doctor who is a professor in the school of Biochemistry and Immunology. Scoff at his recommendations at your peril.

At our peril? :eek: He's a Zero COVID disciple and will never change.

Widdensushi · 11-11-2020 02:23PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Covid-19: Expert suggests delaying Christmas until late January to help crush virus

Dr Tómas Ryan, Associate Professor in the School of Biochemistry and Immunology at Trinity College, has warned that the country could find itself back at 1,000 cases a day by January if Level 5 restrictions were lifted as planned on December 1.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40079903.html

He's some laugh Tómas Ryan

Talk about impractical

Nice scaremongering about cases too

He is just looking to be controversial to get attention

AssetBacked2 · 11-11-2020 02:23PM

is_that_so wrote: »

At our peril? :eek: He's a Zero COVID disciple and will never change.

"Flat-curver", "anti-relaxer". Note how similar those terms sound to "flat-Earther" and "anti-vaxxer"

Eod100 · 11-11-2020 02:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

At our peril? :eek: He's a Zero COVID disciple and will never change.

We're at 270 cases 2 days in a row, 0 is unrealistic but getting cases as low as possible and maintaining that as best as possible isn't. Preferable to rolling lockdowns I think.

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 02:27PM

Eod100 wrote: »

We're at 270 cases 2 days in a row, 0 is unrealistic but getting cases as low as possible and maintaining that as best as possible isn't. Preferable to rolling lockdowns I think.

Sure, but when we get "as low as possible" he'll be pushing for 0.

Happydays2020 · 11-11-2020 02:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Id have to agree with him. He is a doctor who is a professor in the school of Biochemistry and Immunology. Scoff at his recommendations at your peril.

Did he get a promotion?

OwenM · 11-11-2020 02:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Id have to agree with him. He is a doctor who is a professor in the school of Biochemistry and Immunology. Scoff at his recommendations at your peril.

He most certainly isn't a medical doctor or clinician of any kind.

https://ryan-lab.org/tomas-ryan/

marno21 · 11-11-2020 02:29PM

3 more weeks of halving 270 gets us to 35 or so cases per day. That’s lagged as well and will continue to drop for some time after we ease restrictions. Contact tracing should be capable of functioning at that level

The issues in December will revolve around travel and people flouting quarantine rules when they come home for Christmas. The epidemiological situation in most European countries is chronic and if plane loads of people arrive into the country it could seed a third wave in the New Year. Something to bear in mind going forward.

Eod100 · 11-11-2020 02:30PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, but when we get "as low as possible" he'll be pushing for 0.

Let him, he's not on NPHET or in government so doesn't decide policy. Doesn't mean he can't express an opinion whether people strongly disagree or not.

Heard him on radio earlier saying that as 60% of cases were Spanish mutation that actual enforcement of quarantine or mandatory quarantine could have helped reduce re-importing of cases. I think it's useful to have differing opinions.

caveat emptor · 11-11-2020 02:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, but when we get "as low as possible" he'll be pushing for 0.

Didn’t we get it “as low as possible” before? That worked out well. Hopefully the vaccine will save the day.

11-11-2020 02:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

At our peril? :eek: He's a Zero COVID disciple and will never change.

I was trying to decide whether you were being sarcastic or not. So youre being serious then?

What is wrong with being a zero covid disciple? Surely the goal is to eradicate covid. They have done so in New Zealand, Taiwan, and the Maritimes in Canada (almost)

There was over 300 deaths in Belgium yesterday.

Eod100 · 11-11-2020 02:33PM

marno21 wrote: »

3 more weeks of halving 270 gets us to 35 or so cases per day. That’s lagged as well and will continue to drop for some time after we ease restrictions. Contact tracing should be capable of functioning at that level

The issues in December will revolve around travel and people flouting quarantine rules when they come home for Christmas. The epidemiological situation in most European countries is chronic and if plane loads of people arrive into the country it could seed a third wave in the New Year. Something to bear in mind going forward.

Yeah travel definitely is a concern around Christmas. 1.2m flew in and out of Dublin airport last Christmas. Don't expect it to be in same numbers but mass travel plus people not restricting movements wouldn't be ideal.

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 02:35PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Let him, he's not on NPHET or in government so doesn't decide policy. Doesn't mean he can't express an opinion whether people strongly disagree or not.

Heard him on radio earlier saying that as 60% of cases were Spanish mutation that actual enforcement of quarantine or mandatory quarantine could have helped reduce re-importing of cases. I think it's useful to have differing opinions.

Not when his stance has been dismissed officially and the media continue to offer him a platform to pitch that non-runner and we don't have mandatory quarantine. It's not as if we need disparate voices either any more, we too have learnt things about this.

caveat emptor · 11-11-2020 02:36PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah travel definitely is a concern around Christmas. 1.2m flew in and out of Dublin airport last Christmas. Don't expect it to be in same numbers but mass travel plus people not restricting movements wouldn't be ideal.

I’d say it’ll work out great. I mean what could possibly go wrong. All those hugs and kisses at the airport. The long car journeys back down the country together. Cosying around the fire with the extended family. The usual craziness down the pub.
The vaccine will be rolled out by then anyway.

Everyone knows you can’t get it on a plane. We’ll be back to normal in no time.

wakka12 · 11-11-2020 02:37PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Talk of Level 3 for Christmas. People won’t take that

Yes they will, like they took every other much harsher set of restrictions. Irish people will never resist it in any major or widespread way

pc7 · 11-11-2020 02:38PM

We usually have 10 of us together for Christmas day and Stephens Day, 5 households. Our plan this year regardless of the Government is to likely do 7 each day. One side of the family Christmas day (3 houses), the other side Stephens Day (3 houses). I'm hoping that will work as inlaws might be too scared to come based on whatever RTE are reporting at the time. I have given up on the 10 of us both days, just don't see inlaws going for it. Sad thing is, may not get another with them, but it is their choice, we have smallies so nervous they'd be carrying it.

caveat emptor · 11-11-2020 02:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not when his stance has been dismissed officially and the media continue to offer him a platform to pitch that non-runner and we don't have mandatory quarantine. It's not as if we need disparate voices either any more, we too have learnt things about this.

Would you consider a third lockdown a runner or a non runner? I’d say most wouldn’t want that but they want a normal Christmas so I’d say it’ll be baked in the cake. Normalish christmas followed by a lockdown with everyone blaming NPHET again. Round and round we go.

Eod100 · 11-11-2020 02:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not when his stance has been dismissed officially and the media continue to offer him a platform to pitch that non-runner and we don't have mandatory quarantine. It's not as if we need disparate voices either any more, we too have learnt things about this.

Media have a right to present opinions on subjects, he has right to express his. I don't think it's more complicated than that tbh. I think I'd have to question the official line that mandatory quarantine not possible but effectively shutting down the country isn't also.

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 02:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was trying to decide whether you were being sarcastic or not. So youre being serious then?

What is wrong with being a zero covid disciple? Surely the goal is to eradicate covid. They have done so in New Zealand, Taiwan, and the Maritimes in Canada (almost)

There was over 300 deaths in Belgium yesterday.

It's a non-runner and officially we're not doing it. Why do people still bring up the isolated NZ and Taiwan? The former has a list for their own citizens to get through closed borders and the latter uses methods that would not be legal here.

polesheep · 11-11-2020 02:42PM

OwenM wrote: »

He most certainly isn't a medical doctor or clinician of any kind.

https://ryan-lab.org/tomas-ryan/

I don't agree in any way with his approach to Covid, but you can't knock his qualifications. Some people seem to think that medical doctor/clinician trumps scientist when it comes to matters Covid, but the truth is that most medical doctors' knowledge of immunology, virology and epidemiology is quite basic compared to scientists working in those fields.

caveat emptor · 11-11-2020 02:43PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Media have a right to present opinions on subjects, he has right to express his. I don't think it's more complicated than that tbh. I think I'd have to question the official line that mandatory quarantine not possible but effectively shutting down the country isn't also.

Yeah quarantine is not possible in a pandemic but making hundreds of thousand of people unemployed, destroying businesses and preventing millions of people from having any human contact with someone outside there household, every few months is definitely plausible and the far better option for the majority.

prunudo · 11-11-2020 02:43PM

I hope the Hse and nphet are using this 6 week 'lockdown' wisely. Surely they won't squander public good will again by sitting on their hands and not getting their house in order for when we open up in December.

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 02:44PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Media have a right to present opinions on subjects, he has right to express his. I don't think it's more complicated than that tbh. I think I'd have to question the official line that mandatory quarantine not possible but effectively shutting down the country isn't also.

It's not actually possible to enforce. He can say what he wants but at least CMO et al are consistent in what they are trying to achieve, with results to boot.

11-11-2020 02:45PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a non-runner and officially we're not doing it. Why do people still bring up the isolated NZ and Taiwan? The former has a list for their own citizens to get through closed borders and the latter uses methods that would not be legal here.

Nova Scotia for example, has 18 active cases of covid19. If you are entering Nova Scotia, you must do a 14 period of self isolation, unless you are an essential worker.

Gael23 · 11-11-2020 02:46PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Yes they will, like they took every other much harsher set of restrictions. Irish people will never resist it in any major or widespread way

Christmas is a time for families to be together. People won’t break traditions of generations in their family

XsApollo · 11-11-2020 02:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a non-runner and officially we're not doing it. Why do people still bring up the isolated NZ and Taiwan? The former has a list for their own citizens to get through closed borders and the latter uses methods that would not be legal here.

What do the latter do that wouldn’t be legal here?
Taiwan is isolated?
It was probably the country most at risk outside of China at the beginning of the outbreak.
The acted as soon as they heard, they were checking passengers coming off flights from Wuhan end of December.

ACitizenErased · 11-11-2020 02:53PM

prunudo wrote: »

I hope the Hse and nphet are using this 6 week 'lockdown' wisely. Surely they won't squander public good will again by sitting on their hands and not getting their house in order for when we open up in December.

We already know the answer to this tbf

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 02:55PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Would you consider a third lockdown a runner or a non runner? I’d say most wouldn’t want that but they want a normal Christmas so I’d say it’ll be baked in the cake. Normalish christmas followed by a lockdown with everyone blaming NPHET again. Round and round we go.

I think it's a possibility just as further tweaking to Level 5 is, however, it's not the same now as August and September when you had holidays, communions, GAA post-match nonsense and lots of gatherings. It will also be a fairly short concentrated period. Even though many will want to be with their families it doesn't mean they'll go crazy meeting lots of others. As some posters on this thread have said people will take family only this Christmas, especially if vaccines look like coming our way from January.

KrustyUCC · 11-11-2020 02:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Id have to agree with him. He is a doctor who is a professor in the school of Biochemistry and Immunology. Scoff at his recommendations at your peril.

What is we're not at his recommended level by January

Postpone Christmas to March?

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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