COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Away With The Fairies · 10-11-2020 12:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And.. you arrive back at my first answer of "it'll be as many doses as possible to extract as much money from you as possible".

I got a tetanus shot 10 years ago. The shot lasts 10 years. That's not extracting as much money as possible from me.

10-11-2020 12:43PM

Le Bruise wrote: »

I'm starting to think that you're not even a real Doctor....

Haha, off to the conspiracy theory forums with you :pac:

10-11-2020 12:47PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So basically you are anti vaccine and if Bill Gates wasn`t involved in a search for a vaccine it would be something something else.
Thanks for at least making that clear.

I'm not anti or pro-vaccine. Just making clear that in this case, there is massive profits to be made trying to administer you all a vaccine the vast majority of you don't even need.

eigrod · 10-11-2020 12:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not anti or pro-vaccine. Just making clear that in this case, there is massive profits to be made trying to administer you all a vaccine the vast majority of you don't even need.

Just like the insurance or security industries then.

tobefrank321 · 10-11-2020 12:54PM

The ideal scenario in my opinion is that Pfizer would bypass the HSE and work directly with companies like Boots who have experience administrating vaccines.

You just know somewhere along the line the HSE are going to screw this up.

10-11-2020 01:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah yes the Dr subject to false and misleading claims articles. A great source.

"She also claims - without any evidence - that vaccines will "hook us all up to an artificial intelligence interface".

https://www.bbc.com/news....

Your 'source', the BBC, receive significant funding from the very people selling you the vax (Gates Foundation). What a surprise :pac:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Here is the forum your looking for

https://touch.boards.ie/forum/576

It's 'you're', not 'your'. Carry on..

charlie14 · 10-11-2020 01:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not anti or pro-vaccine. Just making clear that in this case, there is massive profits to be made trying to administer you all a vaccine the vast majority of you don't even need.

If you could tell each and every one of us with 100% accuracy whether we need a vaccine or not your post would have some small monetary value for us individually.

Other than that your post is pointless.

tobefrank321 · 10-11-2020 01:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Your 'source', the BBC, receive significant funding from the very people selling you the vax (Gates Foundation). What a surprise :pac:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

It's 'you're', not 'your'. Carry on..

Good luck to Bill if he makes a fortune out of this.

I don't see many other billionaires funding vaccines.

You cannot fund vaccine development using a gofundme page.

A vaccine will save millions of lives and tens of millions of jobs. Whoever funds one deserves praise and rewards.

10-11-2020 01:30PM

charlie14 wrote: »

If you could tell each and every one of us with 100% accuracy whether we need a vaccine or not your post would have some small monetary value for us individually.

Other than that your post is pointless.

If you're under the age of 60 with no underlying medical illness, you don't need this vaccine. That's the data. You've more chance of being hit by lightning. Actually, maybe you should stay lockdowned in your house indefinitely... kill two birds with the one stone :pac:

ceegee · 10-11-2020 01:33PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your 'source', the BBC, receive significant funding from the very people selling you the vax (Gates Foundation). What a surprise :pac:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

It's 'you're', not 'your'. Carry on..

Your "source" is a right wing Q-anon spouting nut job who believes Hollywood celebrities have a club where they eat human flesh.

ceegee · 10-11-2020 01:38PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The ideal scenario in my opinion is that Pfizer would bypass the HSE and work directly with companies like Boots who have experience administrating vaccines.

You just know somewhere along the line the HSE are going to screw this up.

Boots have experience in administering low volumes of vaccines. Using community pharmacy as the primary method of delivering a vaccine at the scale required would be a disaster, regardless of the storage requirements.

10-11-2020 01:40PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Good luck to Bill if he makes a fortune out of this.

I don't see many other billionaires funding vaccines.

You cannot fund vaccine development using a gofundme page.

A vaccine will save millions of lives and tens of millions of jobs. Whoever funds one deserves praise and rewards.

Unlike most here, at least you're open to the idea that he's doing it for financial reasons, not philanthropic

Fair play to the 33% who'll be rolling up for this. I think over time it will end up closer to 50%. Then we can all move on 'til the next virus arrives.

tobefrank321 · 10-11-2020 01:42PM

ceegee wrote: »

Boots have experience in administering low volumes of vaccines. Using community pharmacy as the primary method of delivering a vaccine at the scale required would be a disaster, regardless of the storage requirements.

I was probably being facetious. Nursing home residents and staff are going to be first to be vaccinated so that's where you'd hope HSE's initial focus will be. After that it will be hospitals - staff and patients.

Niggly feeling the HSE will mess it up and no plan has been published yet, but who knows, they might surprise us.

tobefrank321 · 10-11-2020 01:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unlike most here, at least you're open to the idea that he's doing it for financial reasons, not philanthropic

Fair play to the 33% who'll be rolling up for this. I think over time it will end up closer to 50%. Then we can all move on 'til the next virus arrives.

Well my understanding is the vaccines will be sold cost price.

No company wants to be seen to be benefitting from a global pandemic.

But there's nothing wrong with the principle of making a profit from a vaccine. The profits from a successful vaccine help offset the losses from numerous failed ones.

Sconsey · 10-11-2020 01:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unlike most here, at least you're open to the idea that he's doing it for financial reasons, not philanthropic

Fair play to the 33% who'll be rolling up for this. I think over time it will end up closer to 50%. Then we can all move on 'til the next virus arrives.

I doubt it, you will still be quoting Q-anon and conspiracy theories.

Daemonic · 10-11-2020 01:48PM

Pfizer don't need to make money from the vaccine, the publicity of being first to announce will help push other products. Next time someone is picking up paracetamol in the supermarket, if choosing between 2 brands, sub-consciously lots will take the box with Pfizer on it as they were 'the vaccine people'.

10-11-2020 01:48PM

ceegee wrote: »

Your "source" is a right wing Q-anon spouting nut job who believes Hollywood celebrities have a club where they eat human flesh.

I don't know about "eating human flesh", but they are into some weird thing called 'spirit cooking'. Here's Lady Gaga and Marina Abramovich. I'm sure you'll agree; this is nuts

:pac:
https://i2.wp.com/www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SpiritCooking-with-Marina-Abramovic-and-Lady-Gaga.jpg

Anyway, don't take the thread off topic. Back to the vaccine..

Irish Stones · 10-11-2020 02:00PM

Daemonic wrote: »

Pfizer don't need to make money from the vaccine, the publicity of being first to announce will help push other products. Next time someone is picking up paracetamol in the supermarket, if choosing between 2 brands, sub-consciously lots will take the box with Pfizer on it as they were 'the vaccine people'.

Pfizer is worldwide known, well known, for "other products", doesn't need this publicity to get visibility on the market

Irish Stones · 10-11-2020 02:02PM

ixoy wrote: »

Pfizer seem to be taking over the logistical elements all the way up to the point it enters a country - taking on the storage shipping containers, hardened medical vials, etc.
After that, there will indeed be an issue around cold storage and I see even some well equipped US hospitals couldn't, right now, store the vaccine in sufficient quantities.

Will there be sort of a "detector" in the shipping box (or whatever the vaccine will come in) to certify that the cold chain has never been interrupted or altered?
Will public be allowed to access that certification?

hmmm · 10-11-2020 02:11PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Will there be sort of a "detector" in the shipping box (or whatever the vaccine will come in) to certify that the cold chain has never been interrupted or altered?
Will public be allowed to access that certification?

Vaccines are normally transported in left-over chinese take-away containers and dunnes plastic bags. They were hoping to upgrade to Lidl "bag for life", but the cost was too much. When they arrive at their destination, any frozen fish etc is taken out of the freezer and the vaccine is placed inside. When you're receiving the vaccine, make sure to check with the doctor that they are using a needle and not a cornetto by accident, because you will not be protected otherwise.

mandrake04 · 10-11-2020 02:12PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Will there be sort of a "detector" in the shipping box (or whatever the vaccine will come in) to certify that the cold chain has never been interrupted or altered?
Will public be allowed to access that certification?

ULT laboratory type freezers have Dataloggers and Temp alarms so any possible failure is recorded.

These not you average freezer in Harvey Norman.

If you have a failure the contents would be spoilt.

something like this

https://www.thermoline.com.au/haier-86-c-ultra-low-freezers-upright-and-chest/

funnydoggy · 10-11-2020 02:13PM

:pac:

charlie14 · 10-11-2020 02:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you're under the age of 60 with no underlying medical illness, you don't need this vaccine. That's the data. You've more chance of being hit by lightning. Actually, maybe you should stay lockdowned in your house indefinitely... kill two birds with the one stone :pac:

I am quite aware that being under 60 with no underlying conditions I am in a low risk category where this virus might not actually kill me, But at the same time for my own future health I have no great wish to become infected.

By being vaccinated it will also not just protect my own health, and wellbeing it will also ease my conscience knowing I am minimising the risk of spreading the virus to others in higher risk categories.

Something I would have thought from your oblique reference to being a member of a profession, (where the milk of human kindness is often referenced as flowing through it veins), would place a much higher value on that rather than the relatively small monetary cost of a vaccine shot.

Irish Stones · 10-11-2020 02:23PM

hmmm wrote: »

Vaccines are normally transported in left-over chinese take-away containers and dunnes plastic bags. They were hoping to upgrade to Lidl "bag for life", but the cost was too much. When they arrive at their destination, any frozen fish etc is taken out of the freezer and the vaccine is placed inside. When you're receiving the vaccine, make sure to check with the doctor that they are using a needle and not a cornetto by accident, because you will not be protected otherwise.

I don't get your humour.
Given the level of scum that manage our politics, economy and health system, mine might be a legitimate doubt.
After what they did with face masks, hand sanitizers, respirators, what could stop them from doing the same?

Irish Stones · 10-11-2020 02:27PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

ULT laboratory type freezers have Dataloggers and Temp alarms so any possible failure is recorded.

These not you average freezer in Harvey Norman.

If you have a failure the contents would be spoilt.

something like this

https://www.thermoline.com.au/haier-86-c-ultra-low-freezers-upright-and-chest/

This is a serious answer, thanks!

mandrake04 · 10-11-2020 02:32PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

This is a serious answer, thanks!

Obviously they need to be larger for transportation but ULT freezers should definitely be alarmed.

seamie78 · 10-11-2020 02:42PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I don't get your humour.
Given the level of scum that manage our politics, economy and health system, mine might be a legitimate doubt.
After what they did with face masks, hand sanitizers, respirators, what could stop them from doing the same?

well seeing as you live in Italy and are completely Italian we are talking about different politics, economy and health service, maybe you should address your concerns on the Italian version of boards. I must take this time to compliment your use of hiberno english

hmmm · 10-11-2020 02:47PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I don't get your humour.
Given the level of scum that manage our politics, economy and health system, mine might be a legitimate doubt.
After what they did with face masks, hand sanitizers, respirators, what could stop them from doing the same?

You don't live in this country, so personally I don't find your description of people running the country as "scum" to be welcome.

Neither do I welcome fake news ("no vaccine is near"), spurious advice ("don't cough into your elbow says the WHO"), and now attempts to cast doubt on the vaccines which will get us out of this.

Micky 32 · 10-11-2020 02:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fair play to the 33% who'll be rolling up for this. I think over time it will end up closer to 50%. Then we can all move on 'til the next virus arrives.

Maybe it’s just me and it’s only an opinion of course, i get the impression from this post you don’t want the vaccine to work, have you something against life going back to normal? You seem to be looking forward to the next virus.

Deeper Blue · 10-11-2020 02:59PM

You'd think the HSE would let us know of their vaccine rollout plan.

The UK government have been talking about theirs for months at this stage. They've kept the public up to date with everything.

Is it that much to ask for a bit of communication on this from our government?

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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