COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

I had said that I'd rather take something that help me get rid of the lingering symptoms from the virus.
It doesn't seem to me the scientists are pouring any effort in treating the long covid patients at the moment. These patients have been totally forgotten.
I would have welcomed the vaccine 10 months ago, right now I personally have different needs.

I'll easily be able to go back and find the post where you said it when I've some free time. Was along the lines of I've already had covid so why would I take a vaccine when I'm now immune. I remember it quite vividly as there was multiple replies & your reference to China virus

The ignorance is astounding

The_Brood

A vaccine already exists and has been used in Russia and China successfully. There are no mass deaths or side effects. The West has absolutely and completely ignored it, keeping us in lockdowns, and in the rare times when asked go 'hurr durr Putin bad hurr durr China bad.'

The science and the results are there for all to see, but Western leaders chose political games over a unified approach to fighting the pandemic, and we have unfortunately completely allowed them to get away with it.

Europe likes to be smart and laugh at America for being self-centered and thinking only they have it right - yet are more than willing to hide under the skirt of big mommy America who will tell them which vaccine is ok and which is not ok, while anything that's outside America is too scary and too foreign and strange to be trusted. Can we get more pathetic?

Irish Stones

charlie14 wrote: »

Sounds as if you have already been infected and long Covid is not the myth some would like us to believe.

Yes, it's like you said. I got infected early April and got out of it 35 days later. Since then I still have some ailments.
I'd wish to get rid of them rather than taking a vaccine which is of any help to me anymore.

Who says that long Covid is a myth? There's plenty of web pages on this?

ACitizenErased

Irish Stones wrote: »

Yes, it's like you said. I got infected early April and got out of it 35 days later. Since then I still have some ailments.
I'd wish to get rid of them rather than taking a vaccine which is of any help to me anymore.

Who says that long Covid is a myth? There's plenty of web pages on this?

So screw everyone else because you're sick?

Irish Stones

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'll easily be able to go back and find the post where you said it when I've some free time. Was along the lines of I've already had covid so why would I take a vaccine when I'm now immune.

The ignorance is astounding

The acquired immunity from the coronavirus is something that has been discussed here a few days ago (not by me, luckily). Are you going to argue it too?

Is it really that bad to have different needs after a disease? Am I entitled to wish to get rid of my annoying symptoms rather than wishing for a belated vaccine?

lbj666

Irish Stones wrote: »

The acquired immunity from the coronavirus is something that has been discussed here a few days ago (not by me, luckily). Are you going to argue it too?

Is it really that bad to have different needs after a disease? Am I entitled to wish to get rid of my annoying symptoms rather than wishing for a belated vaccine?

Do you know how long you have this acquired immunity for ?

The_Brood

The_Brood wrote: »

A vaccine already exists and has been used in Russia and China successfully. There are no mass deaths or side effects. The West has absolutely and completely ignored it, keeping us in lockdowns, and in the rare times when asked go 'hurr durr Putin bad hurr durr China bad.'

The science and the results are there for all to see, but Western leaders chose political games over a unified approach to fighting the pandemic, and we have unfortunately completely allowed them to get away with it.

Europe likes to be smart and laugh at America for being self-centered and thinking only they have it right - yet are more than willing to hide under the skirt of big mommy America who will tell them which vaccine is ok and which is not ok, while anything that's outside America is too scary and too foreign and strange to be trusted. Can we get more pathetic?

Be handy the appraise yourself of some facts before engaging in ill informed rant. If the Russian vaccine is so great why agave they now got more cases and deaths than the first surge?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

There is in fact technically no reason to doubt the Russian vaccine will be safe and effective. They are however in reality in phase 3, even though they have called it approved to massage putins ego

Irish Stones

ACitizenErased wrote: »

So screw everyone else because you're sick?

You are all so biased.
Please tell me where I wrote this, can you highlight that passage? Can you?

I said that I would like some "experts" to work on other issues as well.
Those who wants the vaccine are fully entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to dream of something that makes me feel like I was before.
Am I asking too much?

charlie14

Stheno wrote: »

You forgot the realism :pac:

I kinda felt the answer would have gone a long way to establishing the realism.

ACitizenErased

Irish Stones wrote: »

You are all so biased.
Please tell me where I wrote this, can you highlight that passage? Can you?

I said that I would like some "experts" to work on other issues as well.
Those who wants the vaccine are fully entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to dream of something that makes me feel like I was before.
Am I asking too much?

You're on the vaccine thread trying to downplay good news because you're "sick".
Do you not realise what you're writing?

odyssey06

Irish Stones wrote: »

Is it really that bad to have different needs after a disease? Am I entitled to wish to get rid of my annoying symptoms rather than wishing for a belated vaccine?

Not sure why they are being discussed as mutually exclusive.

Prevention is better than cure.
Also easier / more tractable.

Long term issues from a viral infection you are looking at possible autoimmune or inflammatory responses.

Focus on vaccine therefore totally understandable.

Irish Stones

lbj666 wrote: »

Do you know how long you have this acquired immunity for ?

According to the article linked a few pages back in this thread, and that nobody argued about, it might be even up to two years.

charlie14

Irish Stones wrote: »

You are all so biased.
Please tell me where I wrote this, can you highlight that passage? Can you?

I said that I would like some "experts" to work on other issues as well.
Those who wants the vaccine are fully entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to dream of something that makes me feel like I was before.
Am I asking too much?

You could make yourself feel better perhaps by encouraging others to not end up like you by availing of a vaccine as soon as it`s available rather than casting doubts.
If I was you I would not place all my bets on the one chip of being infected giving you lifelong immunity either.

mandrake04

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Agreed

South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand seem to be looking at travel bubbles amongst themselves

They've worked their bollix off to keep Covid down, I don't see anyone getting in there without a Vaccine ticked passport

Australia is already a producer of vaccines, they already started manufacturing the Oxford/AZ vaccine 30m doses in 50 days plus they have pledged to supply developing nations.

mandrake04

440Hertz wrote: »

They’re not though and they increasingly don’t want to travel to Europe, the US or Latin America etc until this is resolved.

The world doesn’t resolve around trips to Paris, London, Dublin or New York. There are plenty of places to go to and business will go on.

Sales of boats are way up this year, best form of social distancing.

Away With The Fairies

Very good news today on the Pfizer vaccine. Let's hope the minks don't ruin it on us. But am I correct in thinking we still have a long way to go. It's still so new, we're not even a year into it. Don't they still have to figure out how often to give the vaccine? Like will it be a yearly dose or whatever?

10000maniacs

D.Q wrote: »

Mad they haven't hired you

Well we would be in deep deep doodoo if all of the keyboard medical scientists on this thread were in charge of anything. That's for sure.

Irish Stones

440Hertz wrote: »

The world doesn’t resolve around trips to Paris, London, Dublin or New York. There are plenty of places to go to and business will go on.

It depends on where you live.
Just think if you live in a crappy country and you can't go elsewhere to have a break, you just get stuck home
For instance, I haven't been moving from my home town since travels have been banned. In my country there isn't much to see and do, to be honest.

Le Bruise

Irish Stones wrote: »

It depends on where you live.
Just think if you live in a crappy country and you can't go elsewhere to have a break, you just get stuck home
For instance, I haven't been moving from my home town since travels have been banned. In my country there isn't much to see and do, to be honest.

Ah come on now, nothing to see and do in your country.....you live in Italy!

Irish Stones

Le Bruise wrote: »

Ah come on now, nothing to see and do in your country.....you live in Italy!

Doesn't mean I have to find it interesting

odyssey06

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Very good news today on the Pfizer vaccine. Let's hope the minks don't ruin it on us. But am I correct in thinking we still have a long way to go. It's still so new, we're not even a year into it. Don't they still have to figure out how often to give the vaccine? Like will it be a yearly dose or whatever?

It might be a yearly dose, that was mentioned as a possibility.
They don't know how long the immunity will last for yet.

Duke of Url

My only concern is the logistics of a two vaccine dose approach.

Receive the first dose and 3 weeks later receive the second dose.

I will post this now so I can quote myself later.

When this is launched I see many people receiving the first dose only to find out their doctors dont have enough second doses.

manniot2

Will it just be GPs administering this vaccine or can others be involved?

gmisk

gmisk wrote: »

I talked to a friend a few days ago....Pfizer look like best bet....they are buying a lot of kit for storage etc

Just quoting my own post from 3 months plus ago.
This is really good news!

is_that_so

manniot2 wrote: »

Will it just be GPs administering this vaccine or can others be involved?

They did mention a plan under development yesterday but seeing as the highest priorities would be more likely to be in care homes and health care settings probably HSE teams first.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Very good news today on the Pfizer vaccine. Let's hope the minks don't ruin it on us. But am I correct in thinking we still have a long way to go. It's still so new, we're not even a year into it. Don't they still have to figure out how often to give the vaccine? Like will it be a yearly dose or whatever?

It will be as many as possible for them to extract as much money from you as possible.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

It will be as many as possible for them to extract as much money from you as possible.

We won't be paying for it personally. I don't think vaccines make pharma much money anyway, it's new drugs under patent that are their bottom line so treatments could be cash cows for them.

Stark

Deleted User wrote: »

It will be as many as possible for them to extract as much money from you as possible.

:rolleyes:

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

We won't be paying for it personally. I don't think vaccines make pharma much money anyway, it's new drugs under patent that are their bottom line so treatments could be cash cows for them.

You'll be paying for it through your taxes.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

You'll be paying for it through your taxes.

Sure, but they are not big profit makers for pharma, which seems to be your point.